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Pics will be updated tommrrow, as it seems that i'm having a picture phobia. I found this at privater press.
And these models remind me of grey knights if you think i should do this for my grey knight termiantors just say so.
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metallifan said: I almost wonder is "Matt Ward" another pen name for C.S. Goto?
metallifan said: The Imperium would probably love Hitler...
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I had to mess around with some models so right now i have 15 grey knights all of which are custom. I will update photos as i have trouble with the camera. Also is i finnaly caculated how many points my army is its 11250.
The Chapter History!
The Second Founding-The Chapter is formed into the Dusk Legion.
The First War-no offical name exists of its history, the Dusk Legion is attacked by chaos forces, Asherain put into stasis
The Refounding-The Chapter is renamed and remodeled after their First Chapter Master Asherain.
The Second War-Grand Commander Malnar leds defence of Drancrois and defeats the (SUPPRESSED) Empire, all knowledge of the event has been wiped
-Alpha Squadron Formed-
The Grimnar Campagin- Malnar Is killed in the Campagin, offical knowledge is lost after the third war
The Crusades- The Storm Crusaders are Recolored and renamed to better fit the standards put on them, the chapter is split and the compaines act indepedently
The Third War- Grand Templar (SUPPRESSED) leads an attack on a Orc Warlord, Orc Warlord retalitates and fights agianst the Drancorain Empire
Discovery- Long lost Technology found in The Vaults, Geneseed (SUPPRESSED) also found.
The Lost Campagain- Arrival of Calnor Alrnia in the Chapter, Calnor Quickly masters and 150 years in the chapter and He joins Alpha Squadron
The Fourth War- Grand Templar Malis is killed in combat, Calnor Alrnia is named his successor, Loken and his 10th company fight off 10,000 Cultists.
They're mary sues. Just so you know. If your OK with it, great. My chapter is a bit mary suesy itself. But just know that is going to be a complaint.
Why? I'm not seeing a lot of faults, and you are breaking a lot of fluff to be better than the original chapters. Only a few of the fluff chapters break the 1k size cap, and of those only the BT by much. And they go to GREAT lengths to hide it, and have thousands of years of history and allies backing them up.
Making a deal with and teaming up with the inquisition is also a bit suey. Due to culture and politics it isn't done. It puts way too much power into the hands of a few. Likely the inquisitor in question would himself be declared excommunicatus, let alone the chapter. Too much power, too dangerous, and too against the grain of imperial culture. Balances of power are carefully watched, and this sort of situation tips the balance far too much to be allowed.
So it comes off as a bit "My chapter is super awesome, and they have, and they can, and, and, and..."
That being said...
I am not telling you this is BAD and not suggesting you change your chapter. Your game, your chapter, your fun. If you care about stuff like that, those are my observations. If you don't, don't worry about it.
Well it is ignorant to say that my chapter is the best. But i haven't covered the flaws of the chapter itself. It doesn't make this chapter the best. Plus their are chapters that break the 1,000 limit. And so far their are 30, Space Wolves, Exorcists, etc. Plus your the first person to notice the mix, i have taken ideas from other chapters. The Crusader Part is Clearly Black Templars, And they are controlled by another Chapter Master. The Campaginers or the Regular part of the chapter is based on the Dark Angels.
These two chapters don't make sense being together though. Plus do you really believe the Dark Angels only have 1,000 space marines? And the Ultramarines? Read Cassius proflie it says they made an exception. Who says they didn't for this chapter?
It just matters if you read indepth in the lore. I have read almost every single index astrates and everything about the GW chapters, and I can tell you that they hint that the chapters are more than 1,000.
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I agree. I do read the in-depth lore and the 1k thing is more political than anything. The actual numbers fluctuate wildly, especially in times of war, and likely often go higher, far higher, than the stated limit. The limit is also gotten around through successor chapters. Sure the DA and UM only have around 1-2k marines, but they have a habit of giving orders to their "successors," who often see themselves as members of their parent chapters. And you have chapters like the SW who flaunt the caps as well.
But the thing with all of those is how careful they have to be. The SW can do it because of their history, power, and allies. The Black Templar can do it, but they also have that long history, allies, are a linch pin of the western expanse, and even then do their very best to hide it. The UM clearly have so much clout on terra they can basically do whatever the heck they want.
The imperium is all about politics. The founding chapters, and some of the second founding chapters, have a lot of political clout. No inquisitor could declare excommunicatus on the UM or SW. The younger chapters have to be more careful.
If I were to make a suggestion about your own chapter history it would be to take that into account. Even inquisitors aren't all powerful, despite what official policy may say. When one of the younger chapters wants to "break the rules" they need to be more careful. The 1k thing is political, so most chapters have to LOOK like they are following it. Only the most ancient/powerful chapters can openly flaunt breaking the rules, and even then most of them can't do it permanently. All others should be very careful about how they accomplish what they do. Maybe they pull a DA or UM and break into "successor" chapters that still seem to answer to the parent. Maybe they spread their numbers around like the BT to keep their actual count secret. Maybe they are on the far rim where imperial influence is weak, and the inquisition does not have power.
My chapter is located in the ghoul stars which is pretty far away from Imperail Control. So Bascially the chapter has not been gather together in 5,000 years.
Plus my chapter is an old chapter. It was made in the Second Founding. So its not like the chapter is young,
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Asherian Command wrote:My chapter is located in the ghoul stars which is pretty far away from Imperial Control. So Basically the chapter has not been gather together in 5,000 years.
Plus my chapter is an old chapter. It was made in the Second Founding. So its not like the chapter is young,
And you might very well be fine. Space marines by nature lend themselves to be mary sues. Its more about balance than anything. The more mary sue attributes you take the better the fluff has to be to justify it.
Being second founding for instance is another red flag. They are fairly well documented, and usually it is best to avoid claiming to be one. But that does not mean your chapter CAN'T be one. Just that it does not so much mitigate fluff problems as exacerbate them.
They are bigger than normal, ancient and powerful, ties with the inquisition, second founding, and crusaders. These are aspects that lend them a bit of a mary sue feel. However with good fluff and justification that isn't necessarily a problem. It sounds like you are aware of the fluff and trying to keep it under control, which is the main thing.
For reference, if I were to critique my own chapter they are crusaders, control a large section of space, have ties with inquisitors, are not quite grimdark enough, and followed a prophet/messianic figure. These are red flags and I have to watch it.
So like I said at first, a medium critique. Not necessarily saying you need to change anything, just pointing out that those are some elements that will take some extra care to implement well.
The only really rough bit for me is large size and the inquisitorial ties. It seems like someone somewhere should be very mad about that. But that isn't a bad thing, and doesn't mean it should exist. Just that it should be accounted for.
That could be used to add some extra conflict to you chapters history though. Instead of everyone being fine with it perhaps there is a faction of the inquisition that is opposed to your chapter and the inquisitors that support it. Maybe they have to hide their numbers. I don't know. I think it is more of an opportunity than a problem though.
Alrighty i've been building and painting this past weekend and i completely forgotten about my army pics -.-. And also my lore has been worked on as well, sorry for not posting in a while.
But anyway i was building a new squad of Space marines that had a problem with size, bascially there was 5 of them and found 5 unused marines which looked horrible, so took them apart and made them into a sternguard squad, 2 of which are plasma gunners and one more marine is a combi-plasma (azraels) and a custom made combi-flamer, and i also made a custom arm for my Sergeant this is by far my most difficult squad i have made so far. Each arm was either clipped off and glued and filed down to fit onto each other or they were take from a chaos warrior arm. Another Annonucement is that i finished my Vulkan, and my Shrike!
My Vulkan looks ok. But my Shrike was built from scratch XD, and he took the longest to build because it was a broken body from one of my brothers conversions(his wolflord which is now illegal!) and some of my space wolf stuff from my battleforce i bought a month ago.
Also I got 3 free grey knights and now i have a grey knight squad! All of which will be created into my custom Custodian Guard Squads for Apoclypse!
Also some more news I finnaly painted one terminator squad and 3 tactical squads and 3 terminators, and a terminator libarian!
So you see why i have been so busy. Also this week was testmania, as this week we had to study for too much.
MORE NEWS! By far the coolest thing I found this week was that i read the entire blood angels Codex!
IT BLEW MY MIND AWAY!
The New Units are
Sanguaitor
Sanquis guard
Flamestorm Predator,
Libarian Dreadnought
and 4 New Special Characters!
new Death Company models!
New Assualt Marine models!
MK2 helmets!
Alot of new Psychic Powers!
New Rules!
New Stories!
Flesh Tearer's Have a Special Characters!
This new codex was awesome.
Another thing is that land raiders can be taken as dedicated transports, and not only that but the Chapter has more details on the flaw, and all of the successor chapters, it is the biggest upgrade i have ever seen, also i found out that all of the new stuff is in plastic, minus the heroes of course.
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Yeah i'm heading down to my LGS. And i'll be painting today so i will as soon as possible get these pics up! NO MATTER THE COST! (well unless if it will cost my life then no)
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metallifan said: I almost wonder is "Matt Ward" another pen name for C.S. Goto?
metallifan said: The Imperium would probably love Hitler...
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metallifan said: I almost wonder is "Matt Ward" another pen name for C.S. Goto?
metallifan said: The Imperium would probably love Hitler...
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Looking very nice! I take it, that your going to take off that little bit of sprue on the power fist?
metallifan said: I almost wonder is "Matt Ward" another pen name for C.S. Goto?
metallifan said: The Imperium would probably love Hitler...
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Well tommrrow is my 10th aniversey of my hobbing time! it is also my birthday! So basically i will be playing mass effect 2 and writing alot of lore.
Automatically Appended Next Post: ON a Related note i have started to redo parts of my Terminator Squads! I'm finnaly painting my 21st company Terminators!
My plan is to paint my entire 10th company! Which I still need to complete, but i'm waiting for the release of the blood angels as it seems the 10th follows their termnolalogy and also that they have mark 2 and mark 3 which i'm trying to get!
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The 10th company is lead by Captain Loken Malicith, a tactican and a great warrior. His 10th Company are his elite warriors that would follow him to the pits of hell itself. Loken is a strange figure in that he is very "human" his emotion spikes at times and can be seen as a juvenile compared to his older battle brothers. The 10 Segearnts under his command are all warriors without peer and most of them specialize in the way of the sword, the company usually takes to the field in an armored assualt. The 10th company is known as the Iron Wolves, this name shows with their usual tactic of an armored assualt and ambushes.
The 2 leaders dispatched with Loken are Chief Libarian Talnar and Chaplain Roquir. Chief Libarian Talnar is one of 5 Chief Libarian's who maintain the chapter's massive libariarus. Chaokaub Roquir is loken's tutor and trainier, the Chaplain is also the oldest living member in the 10th Company.
Following the 10th Company to war is former 1st Company Captain Garane. Garane is entombed in a Dreadnought, due to his venerable status he is never put out into the front lines, but he does usually ignore this and fights in the fronts of battle.
The 10ths Tactical Squads all are equiped with anti infantry weaponry. The two leading tactical squads are Lucius and Logar. Lucius is a swordsmen with intellgence and tactical intuition, Logar is the shoot first ask questions later type of Segreant. The last Two Segerants are Valicorn and Brother Segerant Kalin. Valicorn is a swordsmen as well but he is mostly known for his skills with a storm bolter, he has accounted for 20 marksmen honors. Brother Segerant Kalin is the youngest of the 4 tactical Segerants, he bears a poweraxe a incredibley rare version of a power weapon, but he gained this after he slew a necron lord in combat (true story).
The Assualt Squad Segerants are Jackal, Goron, and Jenkins. Segerant Jackal is the hot headed leader of the insertion squad beta, a squad that has deemed many honors for striking in the heart of the enemy. Goron is the pyschotic warrior weilding a twin thunder hammer, till this day noone knows why he carries them. Jenkins is the fool hardy joker of the 10th, his inspirational deeds have gained him status in the Chapter itself.
The Devastor Squad segerants are by far the greatest marksmen in the entire chapter they are Yain, Helis, and Balin. Yain is the second oldest member of the company but he is one of glory day warriors. Helis is the hot headed heavy bolter expert with the finest aim in the company. Balin is the patient hunter whose tank hunting skills are behind imaginable.
The 10th company also has 2 sternguard squads and a Terminator Squad that is joint with it.
The Stern Guard Segerant is Templar Garro, and Templar Nihilus. Garro is a patient, cunning warrior, he is also a bearer of the Iron Halo and the Sword of the Temple with the sword arm of even Loken Himself. Nihilus is a sword master as well but unlike Garro he is more tacticful and bolder than Garro.
The Terminator Squad Segerant is Ulrius, he is one of the most daring of all the squads. He and his squad deepstrike into the heart of the enemy. He is bold and he is known as the "The Devil's Fool".
OK I NEED COMMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is that good lore or should i do something about it?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well anyway
Space Marine 1st company is almost done i just have to remodel all 100 of them. -.-
Automatically Appended Next Post: I saw all the new blood angels stuff and i thought hmmm the Sangianurary guard remind me of Calnor Alrnia's bodyguards, Well it looks like i'm gonna get some and a new Venerable Dreadnought!
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OK! I have 80$ and i'm planning on spending. So I was wondering should I a.buy some cheap marines off my friend who quit. or B.wait for the Blood Angels stuff to come out so i can buy Venerable Dreadnought and Death Company? or C. wait till summer! To spend money and buy it in mass. Oh by the way this is what i'm going to purchase for my army if i go with b or c. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1430057&prodId=prod680006a
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I'm both orderly and rational. I value control, information, and order. I love structure and hierarchy, and will actively use whatever power or knowledge I have to maintain it. At best, I am lawful and insightful; at worst, I am bureaucratic and tyrannical.
Alrighty I was not expecting to a comment in 3 months of this last activity. But ok! I am begining to start a new Thing called Crackdown2! Which is coming out in July 6th enjoy this trailer!
and the Machinmia!
I have been gone working on other projects I have been working on Diablo 2, Warcraft 3 maps and on the Hive so! Yeah.... Well anyway if people like this daily update. I will keep posting!
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Ok people I have come out with a new Idea THE ODSM!
Orbital Drop Space Marines. Which will use Drop pods. And will be SternGuard with lots of combi-weapons. I will give them special Helmets to honor their position as they should deserve so. I would like to get feed back about this. I will post pics of my new Dreadnought this week!
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Yeah I know just asking if I should give them Special Helmets To show them as just only Drop troopers. So that I can tell the difference between my 320 marines. XD The idea was just thrown out there.
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Well. its just so I can put them in the Right Squads. So that I don't accidently put a Marine in a Devastor Sternguard Squad.
I'm not an Iduiot its just that it would be great if I could tell the differnence its not like they are the same its just that I have too many on the field nowadays.
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