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We are talking about a complete and utter alien form of life, eldar and humans are completely different, though they may have the same physical traits, the genetics just wouldn't work?

yeri wrote:I'm just wondering, would this cause less of a fuss if I tried the same idea with WHFB instead of WH40K? because I was on the fence between 40K and fantasy, mostly because my friends prefer fantasy. so I'm willing to rewrite this as a fantasy story.

You would encounter the same problem. Games Workshop have quite sensibly removed themselves from the nonsense that is inter-species offspring. Other than it being impossible for a human sperm to fertilise a non-human egg you have to consider that for an Eldar to couple with a human would be like a human choosing to couple with a rotten sloth, utterly disgusting.

So the Fluff from ages ago says they can. good. i like the idea. have fun with writing the story. i look forward to seeing it if your posting it up.

Gogsnik wrote:

yeri wrote:I'm just wondering, would this cause less of a fuss if I tried the same idea with WHFB instead of WH40K? because I was on the fence between 40K and fantasy, mostly because my friends prefer fantasy. so I'm willing to rewrite this as a fantasy story.

You would encounter the same problem. Games Workshop have quite sensibly removed themselves from the nonsense that is inter-species offspring. Other than it being impossible for a human sperm to fertilise a non-human egg you have to consider that for an Eldar to couple with a human would be like a human choosing to couple with a rotten sloth, utterly disgusting.

what about that weird ape human hybrid looking thing (really best way of discriping it) from the 60s (i think) I saw a doco on that a while back they seemed to think it was either a mutated ape, a case of man and ape or ape raping woman (as they had a clip of it also trying to rape the handler from memory)

if this was to be fact it blows the whole different species aint gonna happen speech out the window

InventionThirteen wrote:We are talking about a complete and utter alien form of life,

sounds like your talking about women in general.....


J/K

Honestly, I doubt they could conceive a child, but as someone earlier adequately put it, they can still enjoy the act if they have the right "Plumbing"

Rule 34 can make all your dreams come true!

crazykiwi wrote:

Gogsnik wrote:

yeri wrote:I'm just wondering, would this cause less of a fuss if I tried the same idea with WHFB instead of WH40K? because I was on the fence between 40K and fantasy, mostly because my friends prefer fantasy. so I'm willing to rewrite this as a fantasy story.

You would encounter the same problem. Games Workshop have quite sensibly removed themselves from the nonsense that is inter-species offspring. Other than it being impossible for a human sperm to fertilise a non-human egg you have to consider that for an Eldar to couple with a human would be like a human choosing to couple with a rotten sloth, utterly disgusting.

what about that weird ape human hybrid looking thing (really best way of discriping it) from the 60s (i think) I saw a doco on that a while back they seemed to think it was either a mutated ape, a case of man and ape or ape raping woman (as they had a clip of it also trying to rape the handler from memory)

if this was to be fact it blows the whole different species aint gonna happen speech out the window

Um, mixed species? I don't think thats possible without genetic engineering. I thought only organisms of the same species could reproduce together. Of course that case of rape is possible, but she wouldn't get pregnant, the cells wouldn't accept it.

Gwar! wrote:C.S. Goto Said they can.

Ergo, they cannot.

Proof that Goto is in reality a really dirty minded 12 year old boy sitting in a basement writing stories with lasers and loose interracial sex, followed by a ride in a transforming tank.
Explains a lot...

Horses can reproduce with donkeys, though the offspring are sterile.

Wheat can reproduce with rye. Wheat is a hexaploid, meaning it has six chromosome sets, similar to the situation with Eldar having 54 sets or whatever it is.

Polyploidy also occurs in various animals.

Since modern science offers various examples of interspecies fertilisation including between species with different numbers of chromosomes, it is illogical to deny that it can occur. There is no solid reason to suppose it could not occur between humans and Space Elfs.

Probably you just aren't trying hard enough.

Kilkrazy wrote:Probably you just aren't trying hard enough.

Now that made me chuckle.
Some on earlier on said eladr need many "visits".
And if, as was earlier said an Eldar could have many fathers, how screwed up would that family be?

VikingScott wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Probably you just aren't trying hard enough.

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And if, as was earlier said an Eldar could have many fathers, how screwed up would that family be?

now honey remember thats daddy 24 the one over there is daddy15 its not that hard

makes me think of Jeff the maori from bro town (satire cartoon from nz funny as)

Kilkrazy wrote:Horses can reproduce with donkeys, though the offspring are sterile. Wheat can reproduce with rye.

What you are talking about are species which have such close genetic similarities that they can breed, just as modern humans and neanderthals interbred. What is being discussed here is two entirely seperate species with no-where near enough genetic similarity to interbreed. It still does not explain why an Eldar would want to go anywhere near a filthy Mon'Keigh.

People do crazy things for love ya know?

In the ancient White Dwarf that listed the officers of the Ultramarines, one of them (librarian) was a half eldar. His mother had been raped by an eldar pirate.

Gogsnik wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Horses can reproduce with donkeys, though the offspring are sterile. Wheat can reproduce with rye.

What you are talking about are species which have such close genetic similarities that they can breed, just as modern humans and neanderthals interbred. What is being discussed here is two entirely seperate species with no-where near enough genetic similarity to interbreed. It still does not explain why an Eldar would want to go anywhere near a filthy Mon'Keigh.

I concur, all the interspecies reproduction that we have made (Liger ftw) is with species of the same species Family (Equidae for all horse/donkey things for example)

Eldar were created by the Old Ones though, did they also have a hand in the creation of humanity? Or did they use humanity in someway to create the eldar? It's possible that humans share a basic genetic profile with the Eldar.

There's no evidence I can see to conclude that eldar and humans really are a "complete and utter alien form of life", or to claim how much genetic similarity they supposedly do or do not have.

Yes there is, Eldar are about 10 times as old a race. And humans were not created by the old ones.

I believe that humans and eldar can breed, but the offspring will be infertile as humans and eldar are different species. (its basically like a tiger and a lion making a liger/tigon. If an animal shares the same genus they can breed but form infertile offspring.)

Gogsnik wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Horses can reproduce with donkeys, though the offspring are sterile. Wheat can reproduce with rye.

What you are talking about are species which have such close genetic similarities that they can breed, just as modern humans and neanderthals interbred. What is being discussed here is two entirely seperate species with no-where near enough genetic similarity to interbreed. It still does not explain why an Eldar would want to go anywhere near a filthy Mon'Keigh.

Rye and Wheat are not just separate species, they are separate Genusii too. Wheat can also cross fertilize with several other plants in different genusii.

Im with Kill, you can argue all day about the differences. But from the older fluff, there exists enough common Genetic campatibility for eldar and humans to create offspring.
That said, is it really worth the fuss arguing about if they can or cant? the OP asked a question, GW itself has material relating to the answer, and the question has been answered.
Kibitz all you like but YES THEY CAN.

Captain Shrike wrote:

will some of you read the thread before throwing your opinion blindly out onto the Internets. Eldar can breed with humans, doesn't happen often but it can. full stop.

Havokas wrote:will some of you f-ing read the thread before throwing your opinion blindly out onto the Internets. Eldar can breed with humans, doesn't happen often but it can. full f-ing stop.

Hey, did you know that Imperial Guard have Jetbikes too?

crazykiwi wrote:
what about that weird ape human hybrid looking thing (really best way of discriping it) from the 60s (i think) I saw a doco on that a while back they seemed to think it was either a mutated ape, a case of man and ape or ape raping woman (as they had a clip of it also trying to rape the handler from memory)

if this was to be fact it blows the whole different species aint gonna happen speech out the window

That turned out to be a dead monkey, and they had strategically broke some bones so make it look more human, sorry to burst your bubble...

I say that since the eldar require multiple 'contributions', it would be more sensible for eldar male/human female, but the offspring wouldn't be too stable genetically. I suppose the reason most people use a eldar mother is the age-old elf-fantasy.

More importantly if you can think of the fluff go for it, wierd experiments, IVF, work of warp-entities etc etc.

As for a motive, 'when in the imperium, do as the imperials do...'

GWs opinion of fluff is that it is ALL opinion, propaganda, and interpreted.

Everyone here stating the genetic impossibilities is correct on those points. We can't share genes with species we separated from even a few hundred thousand years ago with whom we still share 98% DNA, let a species we MIGHT have a link to millions of millions of years ago with entirely different organs and a totally different genetic structure.

Everyone stating that there was old fluff giving examples of "half eldar" is also correct, and that fluff is not necessarily thrown out the window.

But there are still huge holes on both sides, so you can probably take it however you want. Since the old ones made the Eldar and MAY have had a hand in humanity (hinted at in xenology) they may have engineered some sort of compatibility in, a sort of genetic decoder/encoder, like a video codex. They Eldar are not a natural species, they are a custom built biological "machine", so if the old ones wanted to design some compatibility "software" I suppose it is possible, if a bit of a stretch.

OR just as likely (ok, probably more likely) the old examples of "half-eldar" really were not. They are simply mutations that started rumors that evolved into common knowledge. Kid comes out with elf ears and fast reflexes, superstitious uneducated people (which is 99.9999% of the imperium, royalty included) say, "Oh, his mother must of slept with an Eldar."

Like I said, all fluff is interpreted through the eyes of the story teller. It is rumors, opinion, and propaganda, just like in the real world. And just like in the real world, when you hit conflicts like this it is best to ask how both reports can be true instead of just discounting one.

Though in this case I think Occams razor would indicate that that stories about "half eldar" are the product in superstitious peasants and not the product of some scheme insanely complex biological engineering scheme planned by the old ones over the course of 65 million years. So I'm going to throw in with the people saying, probably not possible.

I like the idea of the old one's genetic decoder, yes humans are compatible with eldar but tau? no you'd need to upgrade your genetic decoder to v2.1

Havokas wrote:

Captain Shrike wrote:

will some of you read the thread before throwing your opinion blindly out onto the Internets. Eldar can breed with humans, doesn't happen often but it can. full stop.

Firstly you want to watch your language.

Secondly if we're going to take this as "proof" then we are also going to have to take the rest of the article as valid or canon as well. So that makes the Ultramarines a 13th Founding Chapter who live on a desert world and are largely equipped with equipment retrieved form traitor legions then right ?


This old fluff was garbage at the time and is even worse now.

The RT book had some blurb about how close the Eldar and the human DNA was, but that was all linked to the OLD ONES MADE EVERYTHING metaplot of the time.

Part of the reason both WFB and 40K don't have half breeds of any kind (WFB used to have half orcs at one time but outside of one novel there aren't any half breeds that I'm aware of and that has/was claimed to be of dubious canonicity) is the fact that Mr. Priestley doesn't like the idea or concept of half breeds, not least as they dilute the archetypal image for each race/faction. It was in a WD column if memory serves.

That old RT stuff has since been ret-coned. So no, I don't consider it valid.

Going back to the hybrid breeding argument, it is true that some species close enough to each other can interbreed. It's well known in the big cat family mostly through zoos doing it a lot before they started focusing on conservation over spectacle. The trick is them being close enough.

To take a joking remark from earlier and put it in context, it would be much easier for a human to breed with a platypus than with an eldar; at least the platypus has the right number of bases in it's DNA, instead of not having DNA at all (eldar would be QNA, I think. Theirs is four stranded instead of two.).

If you want some sort of human/eldar hybrid, start invoking genetic manipulation or other forms of experimentation, because it isn't going to happen by sex alone.

Wouldn't the frail Elder bones break during the "act"?
But seriously Elder and humans might interbreed but I think the hybrid child might be sterile. Unless there is some genetic tinkering involved.

tigonesskay wrote:Wouldn't the frail Elder bones break during the "act"?

Hilariou...uuuhh I mean HERESY

No No No NOOOOO. Eldar are simply slimmer not more fragile then humans they are just as frail as a human is when it comes to impacts.

Not that someone couldn't get hurt humans sometimes hurt each other. There was the time a guy and his girlfriend got stuck in a car and had to be removed with the jaws of life.

tigonesskay wrote:Wouldn't the frail Elder bones break during the "act"?
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'Corprol!' *grunt* 'Pass me another eldar, this ones split!' *grunt*