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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/04 11:09:22
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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I like the Checklist option.
However.... The checklists should be gone over carefully with specific criteria for the Judges to look for.
Did the person win or lose the match?
Did the person win or lose the majority of their games?
How did they score the opponants in their wins vs their loses?
How did they get scored for the games they played?
The first two go to the mental aspects that would affect the scoring. The next one shows how well they respected their opponants. The last shows how they were viewed by said opponants.
Discrepancies would equal negative points.
If some-one won most of their games but scored their opponants poorly -And- was scored poorly by the opponants, then maybe this person wasn't that good of a "sport" and suffer consequences.
If the person Lost most of the games but was still scored high by opponants -and- scored his opponants highly, then they would gain points.
Anything that is considered "subjective" should be viewed through comparrison.
Consider this:
A crime is witnessed by seven people. Do the police question only one witness or all of them? The answer is All... they then balance the witness statements to find the consensus... the common ground... in the statements. Any major discrepancy would then be suspect, e.g. One witness varies too wildly on how the criminal was dressed? (6 say jeans and dark shirt, 1 says khakis and a light shirt......for example.)
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Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
:Nilla Marines: 2500
:Marine "Scouts": 2500 (Systemically Quarantined, Unsupported, Abhuman, Truncated Soldiers)
"On one side of me stand my Homeworld, Stronghold and Brotherhood; On the other, my ancestors. I cannot behave otherwise than honorably."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/11 22:47:16
Subject: Re:What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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The problem with ranking is you might play the 3 coolest people that you have ever met... but you still have to label one poorly. Or you might play 3 total jerks... and you have to rate one highly.
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Quoted from "The Defenestrator":
"Yes, I don't buy into the goody goody image the Tau PR machine has churned out . They're all dirty cold-blooded space-communists if you ask me! Besides, their shiny, selfless "we love everyone for the Greater Good" vibe is so unfitting for the "lulz we're all badass jerks" future of 40k. GW needs to play up their cold, calculating, "join us or die, and probably still die anyway" Borg-y style. That's just me of course."
Altanis wrote Vindicare. Hes like Santa he watches when your sleeping. He knows when your awake. I doesn't matter if youve been bad or good because the inquisition put a hit out on you and a shield breaker round is gonna go through your head when your eating your weaties.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/12 04:48:00
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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True. If all you're looking for is a "best sportsmanship" title than that probably won't be as much of a problem, though, as in the first instance there can only be one winner in any case, and in the second it's very unlikely that one of the jerks will be paired with two worse jerks in more than one instance (and there is, after all, only room for one at the top).
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/14 15:57:10
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Deadly Dire Avenger
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I like the checklist option.
Sportsmanship should be used simply to ensure a basic level of etiquette.
A favorite opponent vote can be used to elevate those players that really make the game fun to play (even when you are losing).
Later,
WR
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/14 17:18:03
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Napoleonics Obsesser
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I don't get it.....
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If only ZUN!bar were here... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/13 02:17:47
Subject: Re:What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Hauptmann
Diligently behind a rifle...
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I've got no problem with having a sportsmanship score, just make it seperate form the scoring for placement. W's & L's are what should reflect your success or failure, not something arbitrary and subjective.
Luckily most of the players around here are real cool, no real toolboxes who can't handle losing. There's nothing wrong with winning, just be a legit player, don't cheat, just play it straight up. There is also no need to gloat since luck is the primary factor in winning anyway.
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Catachan LIX "Lords Of Destruction" - Put Away
1943-1944 Era 1250 point Großdeutchland Force - Bolt Action
"The best medicine for Wraithlords? Multilasers. The best way to kill an Avatar? Lasguns."
"Time to pour out some liquor for the pinkmisted Harlequins"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/28 23:22:18
Subject: Re:What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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I would like to see sportsmanship treated as a separate category. Honestly, I'm a good sport but a terrible player. I know a few other players from my local games club who lose consistently but are far more fun to play against. I think that an arrogant, mean spirited winner is a far worse kind of person to play against. I would like to see the players who handle both winning and losing in an amicable fashion rewarded for their efforts.
On the other hand, i don't think sportsmanship should be able to affect your overall results. If you only have one category of judgement for a tournament (one overall winner) then sportsmanship should be (tragically) ignored.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/06/07 06:04:33
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Calm Celestian
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I think I'll have to go with a checklist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/10 21:35:33
Subject: Re:What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Alluring Mounted Daemonette
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Rating your opponent is dumb: if YOU are the poor sport, then in your poor sport mood you will not give your opponent a fair score. Judges giving yellow red card is better
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The Daemonic Alliance Infinite Points
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/22 08:52:04
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Sprtsmanship is too subjective to be a factor in tournament play. Many mentions of my major gripe, someone giving you the blam-hammer just because he doesn't like your face. If I had a lot of time on my hands, I would make the TO play a game with every entrant just to judge them and weed out the bad players. but of course that is elitist and time consuming so i'm guessing that it would never fly
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S'all fun and games until some no life troll master debates all over your space manz & ruins it for you |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/12 22:59:21
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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A 0-10 scale is good.
It would be very nice if basic manners and sportsmanship where introduced to my gaming shop.
Seriously,screaming at your opponent isn't going to make the dice show a six when it rolls 1.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/19 07:07:58
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Tournaments bring out all the douche bags and takes most of the fun out of it... I'd much rather play an apocalypse sized game or something if i'm going to spend a whole day playing
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Long Live the Squats! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/20 11:50:34
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada
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This is a tough one to get a handle on but I fele the most fair way to deal with it is either a checklist or a numerical score.
A pass/fail is just too black and white for me
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/03/21 15:54:06
Subject: Re:What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Daring Dark Eldar Raider Rider
Somewhere in the darkness of my mind... Probably
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I havent played in a tournament at all yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/16 17:52:13
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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I laugh so hard when my opponents get flustered and curse at me (like when my necron lord used nightmare shroud on my opponents entire kroot selection and got them to run off the side of the board)
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/08 22:14:03
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Deadly Tomb Guard
In ur gaem, killin ur doodz.
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Voted Other
Our club feels that sportsmanship is as important as generalship, so tournaments in our neck of the woods weigh very heavily on sportsmanship
What this means is that if 1st place is 100 dollars worth of goods, so is sportsmanship.
We settled on a pass/fail for games, and then a "vote for your 2 favorite opponents" at the end of the tourney
Each vote recieved was worth a growing number of points. the first was worth 1/2 a full points win, the 2nd was worth a whole win on top of the first, the 3rd was worth 1.5 full points wins, the 4th was worth 2 full points wins, so on, and so forth.
Yes, this does mean that if you go 0-6 you could win the whole tournament. So what? Someone that's that good of a sportsman deserves to win.
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8th ed Khemri in 8-4-0 Malleus wrote:The swordsmen will tar pit nearly anything nearly forever (definitely long enough for the old tank in the flank prank).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/08 22:48:39
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Terrifying Doombull
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Dont play in tournwys that inclueds this. I really dont give a damned what an opponet thinks about me, As long as the rules are followed said person may be pleasent/unpleast all day long. I normaly dont chatt while gaming, I play to win in tourneys, not amuse myself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/09 23:25:09
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
Greenville, South Cacky-Lacky
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Basic pass/fail. It's a lot easier to quantify than an abstract 1-10 system. You know whether the other player is being a douche or not, eh?
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Alles klar, eh, Kommissar? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/24 05:16:11
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Using Inks and Washes
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third party judge, decides gives each player a score, not the players
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/13 16:32:47
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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I wouldn't play in a tournament with a sportsmanship award given by the opponent. It gives too much leeway to get screwed by a sore loser.
A buddy of mine once played in a tournament like that. He walked in 250 points short, due to misinformation. First round, he tabled his opponent. Second round was against a national qualifier who carefully scrutinized his list, discovering the error. The judges gave my friend the option top redo his list, but he declined. He scored a major victory against the guy, and he gave him a 0 for sportsmanship, eventually costing him the ability to place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/13 16:37:56
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Beaver Dam, WI
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I would prefer a checklist. The problem is the onus then has to be on the judge. Say 10 categories, throw out 1 fail in each category under the theory that everyone makes a mistake, just doesn't get along with a person. Etc.
I like that this puts the emphasis on making the tourney a pleasurable experience for all but I absolutely am loathe that it gets used to game opponents. I would like to see if sportsmanship would be used as a tie-breaker but not in an overall score.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/17 19:39:21
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Irked Necron Immortal
Dayton, Ohio
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I chose Option not listed (please write in comments).
I have always thought a set criteria to grade sportsmanship would be fair, but probably still be abused. So I am thinking either no score is best or, keep it seperate from best general score...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/26 01:34:34
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Alluring Mounted Daemonette
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there should be impartial judges deciding the sports score. I've played too many people who give you bad sports out of spite because they lost
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Glory to the Twelfth! Glory to Angron!
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/29 15:31:05
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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Demogerg wrote:I like the checklist.
My FLGS has a checklist with 10-12 possible points per game depending on who's tourney it is.
I dont recall the exact wording or all the exact parameters, but its something like this.
Did your opponent show up on time/start the game in a timely manner (1 point)
Did your opponent have all the required materials [rulebook, codex, dice, measuring device, etc] (1 point)
Did your opponent play the game in a timely manner [not slowplaying] (3 points)
Was all of your opponents army WYSIWYG or clearly marked to avoid confusion? (1 point)
Were all rules disputes handled amicably, [call a judge, roll off, come to a resonable agreement] (1 point)
Did your opponent strive to measure all distances accurately? (1 point)
Would you willingly play against this opponent again? (1 point)
there were a few more, but its a solid system, and the only people who get marked off for anything know exactly why. (for example, I always misplace my scatter dice, and lose out on "having all required materials". Another guy plays with a few counts-as and proxies, so he loses out on the WYSIWYG point)
That's much better than some systems I've seen.
I mean, Sportsmanship is usually the category where you are punished if you defeat your opponent too entirely. Few people are going to give you full points for sportsmanship if you tabled their army, and yet I feel like that only means you played a much better game overall.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/12 08:26:57
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Regular Dakkanaut
New Zealand
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0-10 score
Maybe a better poll would be 'whos ever won a sportsmanship award' ;o)
Not big noting but i've won one, during the day i slaughtered and got slaughtered, it wasnt about win or loose in the end it was about having an enjoyable game. Yes even the guys i slaughtered voted for me.
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"You smell dat? Do you smell dat? Napalm, son. Nofing else in da galaxy smells like dat. I love da smell of napalm in da morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' 'ummie body. Da smell, you know dat gasoline smell, da whole hill. Smelled like... victory."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/30 18:47:17
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
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I'm pretty straight forward so: Pass or fail. It just makes things more simple. Moreover, I believe it summarizes well a fairly subjective measure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/07 21:36:09
Subject: What is your preferred method of Sportsmanship scoring in tournaments?
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Slippery Scout Biker
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Ranking your games is the way to go.
Problem with a 1-10 system is what's an 8 what's a 10?
My 8 could be your 6 or vice versa
The best way though imo would be to rank the match from best to worst but have an option to score if you would play that person again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/30 10:33:19
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Frenzied Juggernaut
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I find the checklist works well as long as its comprehensive enough.
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