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Yeah, but how much was he personally involved? Don't get me wrong, people like Hitler, Pinochet, Milosevic, Stalin, Mao etc. are all undeniably evil - but how much evil does it take to sign an order condemning thousands to their deaths, as opposed to say, a person raping and murdering their own children? 'Cause that's pretty fething evil in my book.
Seriously though,I'm inclined to agree with Alby,evil when it's applied to Hitler,Stallin,Mao etc (while undeniable evil) is an almost "disattached/political" evil...while someone who could murder their own children,IMO,would be much more evil.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this before but how about Elizabeth Báthory who After her husband's death, she and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of girls and young women, with one witness
attributing to them over 600 victims, though the number for which they were convicted was 80. Elizabeth herself was neither tried nor convicted. In 1610, however, she was imprisoned in the Csejte Castle, where she remained bricked in a
Manchu wrote: This is simply a self-fulfilling prophecy. Everyone says, "it won't change so why should I bother to try?" and then it doesn't change so people feel validated in their bad behavior.
you could always throw in 'Ima kick your baby!', which was in something sexiest_hero posted, and is a contender for 'funniest thing I've heard on Dakka'.
His words and actions created numerous cults, rampant idiocy, belief in him and his teachings have been the cause of dozens, if not hundreds of conflicts costing thousands to millions of lives.
One dude started a huge wave of brainwashing and warfare for thousands of years with no sign of letting up, only becoming more extreme and more violent.
Not only is this unclassy, it's also factually incorrect concerning the scope and extremity of violence! Great job!
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Pipboy101 wrote:The TV producer that came up with Reality TV. There should be a special kind of hell for that person.
Hmm... The first "reality TV" type show was, I believe, Allen Funt's Candid Camera in the early 50s. IIRC the "modern' style was debuted in the late 80 when a TV writers strike kinda killed scripted tv shows. I think it was COPS.
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Ahhh Ive heard of them. I remember only because the both of them tortured the girls. I think I saw that on a show about serial killers once. Yea, thats messed up any way you slice it. Murder and torture shouldnt be family time.
I think as far as serial killers go though, Dennis Rader (BTK) would rank pretty high on that list. Sure there are murderers that took more lives, but he really got off on it, and the way he taunted the police and such is what I think raises his evil guy number
]I don’t think totalling body counts really works, as there is a massive difference between bad, ideologically driven agricultural policy and gassing ethnic minorities by the train load. It would mean Victorian England and the millions of deaths by famine they caused in India would move ahead of Pol Pot’s Cambodia, which would be a ludicrous result.
I also think it’s best to separate ultra-sadism on the personal scale from murderous governments. Evil is impossible to objectively measure at the best of times, and the motivations of serial killers and tyrants are so different I don’t think there’s much value in comparing them.
In terms of most evil government my vote goes to Pol Pot’s Cambodia. What went on there is simply horrific.
In terms of the most evil individual I’d pick HH Holmes, the Murder Castle pushes all my squick buttons in the worst possible ways.
garret wrote:whoever created MTV. therefore starting a trend to rob america of real music instead we get pre packeged Dribble. Not what sells but what we want,
Yeah! Because before MTV music was pure and not commercial at all.
helgrenze wrote:
Pipboy101 wrote:The TV producer that came up with Reality TV. There should be a special kind of hell for that person.
Hmm... The first "reality TV" type show was, I believe, Allen Funt's Candid Camera in the early 50s. IIRC the "modern' style was debuted in the late 80 when a TV writers strike kinda killed scripted tv shows. I think it was COPS.
The particular change in the last decade has been the move to event style reality television – building hype around a reality show. Big Brother and Survivor are the classic examples, there is all this hype over whatever thing that happens that’s meant to be shocking, and a week later no-one cares.
I’m not really bothered by it, they used to make a lot more crap sitcoms that no-one should watch, now they make crap reality shows that no-one should watch. It isn’t as though we’ve lost good TV – I’d argue there’s more good tv available now than there’s ever been.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote:]I don’t think totalling body counts really works, as there is a massive difference between bad, ideologically driven agricultural policy and gassing ethnic minorities by the train load. It would mean Victorian England and the millions of deaths by famine they caused in India would move ahead of Pol Pot’s Cambodia, which would be a ludicrous result.
I also think it’s best to separate ultra-sadism on the personal scale from murderous governments. Evil is impossible to objectively measure at the best of times, and the motivations of serial killers and tyrants are so different I don’t think there’s much value in comparing them.
In terms of most evil government my vote goes to Pol Pot’s Cambodia. What went on there is simply horrific.
In terms of the most evil individual I’d pick HH Holmes, the Murder Castle pushes all my squick buttons in the worst possible ways.
I actually agree here.... But you also have to factor in the messianic agendas of Jim Jones and Charles manson. These two convinced other people to kill for them. In equally horrific ways. Jones further convinced almost 1000 people to commit suicide, though most probably didn't realize that was the intent.
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dogma wrote:I wrote my first research paper on Pol Pot's Cambodia. That got a visit from the school psychiatrist.
With good reason
I got depressed enough writing about Palestinian refugees in Jordan that I switched to straight accounting/finance. Well, and econometrics hurt my head.
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helgrenze wrote:I actually agree here.... But you also have to factor in the messianic agendas of Jim Jones and Charles manson. These two convinced other people to kill for them. In equally horrific ways. Jones further convinced almost 1000 people to commit suicide, though most probably didn't realize that was the intent.
Yeah, it gets complicated. It isn't that bodycount doesn't matter at all, but it's a measure that only goes so far, or something like that.
I mean, you focus entirely on bodycount and history's greatest monsters are the people with bad agricultural policy. You ignore it entirely and you have a list that ignores how many people were killed. Both are bad results, so you have to end up with something in between.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
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