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Norbu the Destroyer wrote:Why all the complaining, they give you 10 days to write a list.

One mission can be rough, but if you are fighting another mech list, whats the issue?

Also, its the third mission, if your mech army gets you to the third round with a couple good scores, you just need a draw to a minor victory to lock yourself in.

Not to mention, if you still shoot an army off the board you can still win by KP.

I think its a nice attempt to deterr the mechanized forces, but late in the tourney so it may still pay off to mech up.

I am not a fan of the set turns being at six. I like the chance element of not knowing if the game is going to end to make a gutsy late game move pay off.

The ISSUE is that I run a pure bikers (space marine) list that I spent a lot of money on and I don't have the money or the time to revamp the army. Furthermore, although fast, bikers are not mech lists. I was gonna have a hard enough time winning before they decided to nerf my army as well.

Secondly, just because they built the game to make mech better, why nerf the lists that are supposed to be 'ard?

My army only gives up 28 kps in hte last mission... Not bad.

G

It doesn't matter to me since I'll be missing it due to family things this year but I'm not a fan of the missions at all. It did make me want to pull out my Tau or Nids since both would work well except I don't bring enough troops to massacre in round 1. In fact I'd say only foot orks, IG, and Nid's have the ability to massacre in round 1 which is interesting to me.

Good luck everyone You've now got a week to buy whatever you need to adjust to these off the wall missions

*LOL* I can't wait for the story of the Dark Eldar player who ends up playing the foot IG player with 36 killpoints in dedicated transports going against an entire army with only 12 killpoints total.

Maybe I should drop my marines & run a webway portal list

One mission should not make or break you in the 1st round. The 3rd mission would be tough in the finals though. There are not really a lot of pure infantry armies so I think overall it will all even out in the end.

G

Kan Wall orks FTW:

150 boys, 10 grots, 9 kans, 45 lootas, kff mek.

I'd take my chances with that...

As a weird sidenote, the first mission is an actual 'official' mission that will work with the Liber Heresius from WH. (Giving a 5/6 chance of first turn for the player who takes it with a lord.)

Too bad the other two don't use the roll for deployment zones thing.

Also surprised no one is complaining about having to have all 5 objectives on Mission 1 to get a Massacre. You'll need 5 living troops to win that one.

I play DE we always get screwed in KP anyway so I'm not really fazed by the third mission.

Hmmm... I may have to change up my doublewing as those small bike squads with attack bikes are giving up waaay too many KP's. 33 KP's total. I could easily change up some stuff and drop 9 KP's...

Or I can just say screw it as everyone will be hurting on this mission.

pretre wrote:Also surprised no one is complaining about having to have all 5 objectives on Mission 1 to get a Massacre. You'll need 5 living troops to win that one.

Depends on how you deploy the objectives, and how big your scoring units are. A unit of 4 infantry models can easily claim 2 objectives that are 12" apart.

Mission 3 is insane!!!!!!!!!


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My army has 42 fracking KP's in that mission!

Sweet baby jeesus, we have a really, really good Horde Ork player here, he will be the absolute murder to pull in that mission, almost an auto loss.

Is it really that hard the generate three missions that aren't completely fething slowed? I mean, I expected stupid, but GW never ceases to amaze me in that department.

Black Blow Fly wrote:My army only gives up 28 kps in hte last mission... Not bad.

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24 here.

And BA didn't really get screwed. Why, because they have fast tanks? Well any rhino/razorback/LR/tank that can move over 6" (read any) will give up 3 KPs. The only thing that screwed BA's are the Sanguinary Guard and Jump Pack troops, both of which I haven't seen used yet. It's really not that bad.

If I take Lash for Mission 3, do I auto win?

(Now all your infantry can move 2d6 in my Shooting Phase. They are all now worth 3 KPs.)

pretre wrote:If I take Lash for Mission 3, do I auto win?

(Now all your infantry can move 2d6 in my Shooting Phase. They are all now worth 3 KPs.)

Also, infantry in an army with any transports are all capable of moving over 6" in the movement phase...

Stop being lame. Its already bad enough for good armies.

I have to say that is pretty lame. Mech lists already suffer in KP, why make it so much worse? There are gong to be match ups with 13 KP vs 45 KP, it will be stupid.

Ard Boyz is supposed to the best lists and players, why penalize mech armies at the last fething minute?

52 here, lol.

69 Killpoint Dark Eldar. Woot.

So, in round 3 you can table your opponent and still lose in a massacre. Fan-rific!

LMoE

LastManOnEarth wrote:So, in round 3 you can table your opponent and still lose in a massacre. Fan-rific!

LMoE

Actually, if you table your opponent, you automatically gain a massacre.

The first 2 missions are a wet dream for heavy mech lists.... the last one just evens it out. No night fight at all and you have complete control of when your stuff starts, I still see leaf blower winning out, the last mission will just be based on whoever goes first... oh wait thats how it always is any way.

Look at it this way. 1st 2nd missions are great for mech so a good mech player will be on table 1 in the last round with a pretty much guaranteed chance to be in the top 3 even if they lose. Leaf Blower/Razor Wire/Mechdar lines up with a foot slogging list last game, it should still be an even match. Even more so for leaf blower.....Leaf blower goes first.... 2 manticors and 3 medusa shots later followed by the multitude of heavy weaponry = mostly fecked up foot slogging army..

IG is always that way, go first with enemy on the table = auto win. Go second and you auto win only 50% of the time. If the enemy has stuff to rush you, take care of it first its worth 3 points each....if not thats good...2 to 3+ turns to pulverize slow enemy with massed cannon fire.

I thought night fight had too much of an effect in the second round last year, no night fight as of yet this year, that makes my mech list happy.

Don't frett too much sons of Rommel..

Stay trigger happy my friends...

How exactly is the first mission a "wet dream" for mech lists? It's just seize ground with slightly modified spearhead deployment.

Makes me wonder if releasing these a week before the event with such interesting missions was a bit of a marketing ploy on GW's part. What better way to drive up sales for non-mech boxes and impulse sales than to create missions such as these and release them in a fashion that gives you just enough time to get things ordered and rush shipped to you so that you can tweak your list?

Dashofpepper wrote:

LastManOnEarth wrote:So, in round 3 you can table your opponent and still lose in a massacre. Fan-rific!

LMoE

Actually, if you table your opponent, you automatically gain a massacre.

Well, I guess there's hope. Still bitter about the time I lost on KPs because of a single lousy plague marine.

I am curious how you get 69 KPs.

As I count, worst case is 6 jetbike Haemonculi (18), 3x Wyches in Raiders (12), 6x Raider Squads (24), 3x Reavers (9), 3 Ravagers (9) = 72.

More reasonable HQs would be about 9-12 points (jetbike lord = 3, retinue lord in reaver = 6 and/or 3x Haemonculi = 6), and I doubt many people are running 3x Reavers (or Hellions, lol).

LMoE

Standard mechanized DE, ramped up with RJB squads and warp beast packs (3 KP each) to flesh out 2500; I run a Wych cult led by Lelith - you can statistically presume one wych squad will roll a 1 and generate 3 killpoints.

Ok maybe I'm an idiot here but wouldn't a squad in a transport that moved over 6 inches still only be worth 1KP in the third mission? By the example they give a squad of marines joining a librarian with Gate is still only 1 KP even though they have the ability to move over 6 inches with the Librarians gate ability. Reads to me like the unit itself has to be able to move over 6 inches, not anything they may ride in/hitch a ride on/in.

Wychecult could have 81 kp depending on the drug rolls...

Another reason I am fielding a standard kabal, with only 50 KP =P

vonjankmon wrote:Ok maybe I'm an idiot here but wouldn't a squad in a transport that moved over 6 inches still only be worth 1KP in the third mission? By the example they give a squad of marines joining a librarian with Gate is still only 1 KP even though they have the ability to move over 6 inches with the Librarians gate ability. Reads to me like the unit itself has to be able to move over 6 inches, not anything they may ride in/hitch a ride on/in.

Sounds like you're not counting the transport as the 3KP unit that it is.

vonjankmon wrote:Ok maybe I'm an idiot here but wouldn't a squad in a transport that moved over 6 inches still only be worth 1KP in the third mission? By the example they give a squad of marines joining a librarian with Gate is still only 1 KP even though they have the ability to move over 6 inches with the Librarians gate ability. Reads to me like the unit itself has to be able to move over 6 inches, not anything they may ride in/hitch a ride on/in.

By normal KP rules, the transport and embarked unit each give up KPs. So a squad in transport would typically be 1+3=4 points total in this case.

KPs are silly things.

LMoE