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At the store I work at we have a "code of conduct" that gamers agree to before they can play there. It is basically common sense, but it is all spelled out along with the consequences for doing said behaivor or action. Some of the highlights are: bad language (over the top stuff) =3 strikes ejected for the day. Theft=1 year ban (1st offense), and on 2nd offense permanent. Also, if someone comes in under the influence they are removed for the day, and on 2nd offense 1 year, 3rd offense permanent. I think that the only way for a store to have a policy is by having it in writing and signed by the players to CYA.

Deadshane1 wrote:Enough of this cryptic garbage.

I demand drama....NOW!

FINE Deadshane! You want drama, you got it. You're a pre-op transcentaur. Everyone knows you're still a human from the waist down, you just wear that silly costume prop to try and confuse us! Come clean, or get that surgery and easy transfer to the cavalry division of the state police.

rednekgunner wrote:At the store I work at we have a "code of conduct" that gamers agree to before they can play there. It is basically common sense, but it is all spelled out along with the consequences for doing said behaivor or action. Some of the highlights are: bad language (over the top stuff) =3 strikes ejected for the day. Theft=1 year ban (1st offense), and on 2nd offense permanent. Also, if someone comes in under the influence they are removed for the day, and on 2nd offense 1 year, 3rd offense permanent. I think that the only way for a store to have a policy is by having it in writing and signed by the players to CYA.

Or by telling the offending person to gtfo and never come back.

CrazyThang wrote:

rednekgunner wrote:At the store I work at we have a "code of conduct" that gamers agree to before they can play there. It is basically common sense, but it is all spelled out along with the consequences for doing said behaivor or action. Some of the highlights are: bad language (over the top stuff) =3 strikes ejected for the day. Theft=1 year ban (1st offense), and on 2nd offense permanent. Also, if someone comes in under the influence they are removed for the day, and on 2nd offense 1 year, 3rd offense permanent. I think that the only way for a store to have a policy is by having it in writing and signed by the players to CYA.

Or by telling the offending person to gtfo and never come back.

Yes, but if there is a set of rules that everyone has to follow, it prevents drama, because TFG knows from the get go that his s@#t wont be tolerated. I got the idea from the gun club I belong to, because there are a set of rules and regulations that everyone must follow or else. I know that there is more inherent danger with firearms, but the principle still holds true. This is critical, because if we have paying customers driven out because some jackass swears like a sailor, it is bad for business.

Ah. I just meant that you don't need an actual contract to get someone out, after all it's the owner's property. I totally agree with rules though.

True, I understand what you are getting at.

So very sorry if I offended you CrazyThang. I mean seriously.

G

Ye best be! Or I will so come to Terminus Est with my gangsta thug g homey bros and we shall make you pay! Verily.

rednekgunner wrote:Also, if someone comes in under the influence they are removed for the day, and on 2nd offense 1 year, 3rd offense permanent.

I liked your other rules but this one is too harsh IMO. As long as a person doesn't cause any problems, I don't see an issue.

MorbidlyObeseMonkey wrote:

rednekgunner wrote:Also, if someone comes in under the influence they are removed for the day, and on 2nd offense 1 year, 3rd offense permanent.

I liked your other rules but this one is too harsh IMO. As long as a person doesn't cause any problems, I don't see an issue.

Keep in mind when I say under the influence, I mean drunk (IE stumbling, slurring drunk). The reason is that the store is not just a bunch of adults, there are younger people, and parents who don't want to have their kid around a bunch of drunks. Think if you first walked into a store, and there was a guy playing a game and he smells like a brewery, and is obnoxious, would you let your 13- 17 year old kid go in there. I would't. The policy isn't designed to single out people, but as a business if someone wants to get blitzed, do it at home.

I've never seen a stumbling drunk at my local shop or any tournament. You guys must really like to party when you play!

1 You have made your dislike of Dashofpepper Known.
2 Dashofpepper is moving to Jacksonville.
3 You live in Florida, and are an avid tournament player.

I wonder who this thread is about? Well, I will start off by saying that every time Dash has had a problem at a tournament he has started a poll, and most respondents agree he is not cheating. "Stretching" the rules, but not cheating. It seams you just don't like him personally because he is a WAAC gamer. There are plenty of people on Dakka that have played him and have not had a problem. Is their opinion less valid? You seem to dislike him because he tries to use every rule to his advantage. What would you do if someone vehemently defended a person who went to a major tournament and used his opponents lack of knowledge of his Codex to deep strike Bloodcrushers on 40mm bases, even though he had proper sized bases with him, and told another player that a "phantom" judge (that, after the fact no one could find) told him he used the dawn of war deployment instead of the Deamon rules. Thus allowing him to place Fateweaver and two Icons on the table insuring that none of his army scattered. After the community found out, the overall consensus was he outright cheated. If this happened, don't you think that person and the person that defended him should be banned for life? Seriously, banning him would just make you the a**hole. Dash is very open about interpretation of his rules. If you don't like one, have the TO make a ruling before the Tournament. And Dash, if you read this, I do see where some people are coming from. I get perfect sports scores in every tournament I play in and I contribute this to one thing. If there is a grey area in the rules and it could favor me or my opponent, I always play it in favor of my opponent. This goes a long way to ensure they enjoy the game, which makes me enjoy the game that much more. If you can do that, and still keep up that win record, it will go a long way towards earning my respect and that of others. In the end, there are TWO people playing and there is no reason why they shouldn't both enjoy the game.

It's all coming together now!

Though no, Dash seems like a straight enough guy, he can be a little bit forgetful at times, , though he never intentionally cheats... unlike my ass-hat of an opponent at the second round of 'Ard Boyz.

Hrm....I hadn't posted in this thread because BBF lives in South Florida, somewhere I don't see myself ever traveling down there for a tournament...its an extensive drive. He's hosting Bolter Beach, but after due consideration (helped significantly by the fact that I already have a golden ticket to Las Vegas) I decided not to sign up. He and I don't travel in the same circles fortunately, although his campaign across the internet to tell everyone that I'm a dirty cheater is irksome.

In this matter, I just don't think BBF understands what cheating is. Something that is a grey area (like how Lelith gets her drugs, or whether you can use your movement measurement to scout out how far a unit is away from the unit you're moving) - the two things I've run into lately; BBF is welcome to his opinion and doesn't hesitate to show up in the thread to call me beardy, or a cheater, or worse on his forums / Stelek's blog / elsewhere....but those are just that: His opinions, and not widely held by other people.

If I was cheating, I wouldn't write about what I did in battlereports that take me longer to write than it did to play it and call attention to the things my opponents have had trouble with.

I've played dozens of Dakka's residents. Only one person (Sarigar) has ever screamed that I was dirty (the infamous game where I packed up my models on turn2 because of the fighting), and only one person (BBF) who's never met me or played me has gone to such lengths to make accusations.

In short, while I can see BBF denying me access to a tournament he's running because of his intense dislike of me and screening it under the guise that "everyone knows I'm a cheater," I don't actually worry about the malice anymore. I get constant reassurances from gamers in his area and from members of the wrecking crew that I shouldn't worry myself over it, he's just like that.

*shrugs* The most common reaction I get when I play someone who reads Dakka or against someone I haven't played against before who reads internet forums is along the lines of, "I heard a bit/a lot about you, but you were fun to play against and I'd definitely do it again." I daresay that I have a bad rap because I have trouble tolerating stupidity; when someone makes ridiculous claims like "Orks are the worst codex and they suck" I don't ignore it, I issue fighting words and demand that the author prove those words against my own orks.

Sorry for the tangent. I also suspect this thread is about me (BBF is a fan of indirect snipes), but I think that if I got banned from a tournament for imagined offenses, I would be a bit more proactive in exposing the nature of the...issues.

Dashofpepper wrote:Sorry for the tangent. I also suspect this thread is about me (BBF is a fan of indirect snipes)

Not everything revolves around you (but once your at the top of the Warhammer world, maybe we can have a few planets revolve around you ), but seriously, since I do not know if Warhammer 40k has any type of organization that Magic the Gathering enforces and do not think there is such a centralization, I assume each organizer gets to define their own version of disqualifications and bans.

As for personal problems between organizers, hosts and specific players, there should be no animosity in the decision to allow a person in their event unless such evidence exists that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the player in question is guilty of what I like to call the three commandments of general GAMING:

Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not cheat.
Thou shalt not commit ass-hatery.

Stealing trumps the list above all as it involves actual legal rammifications and violates that sacred trust of strangers coming together in mutual benefit to one another. Cheating is next as it violates the trust one has in the game, as it is assumed all players respect the game at least to the level of respecting the rules and rule interpretations, even if it breaks the spirit of a rule but is technically allowed. Ass-hatery is anything involving the respect one should have to others and themselves; don't fly off the handle and don't disrespect others to whom are taking their time and attempting to enjoy a passtime very precious few outside the Western world enjoy. So you might as well may it enjoyable for others.

CrazyThang wrote:I take offence to the crack at California and will be at your home to cap some knee caps soon. Good day gentlemen.

Sorry buddy it was the first place with a lot of liberal policies that popped into my head. I thought CA passed a law something to the effect of if you are a US citizen with an ancestor that was born somewhere else you cannot own posses or look at a firearm. Kinda the way they will not let a new power plant be built in the state and then whine when they have no power.

Wow I must have ate some hateonCA flakes today. Hmmm what am I going to eat tomorrow?

The plot thickens

I would like to start a petition to have BBF and Dashofpepper duel with dreadsocks, continuing until one or the other party submits. Naturally, I expect the event to be recorded, and proceeds from the sales of those recordings to help pay for medical expenses.

It's the only civilized thing to do.

whats a dreadsock? Some kind of undead sock given unholy powers via necromancy?

acsmedic wrote:I see people talking about players getting physical?

Must be in california or the north.

In my area many of our players carry concealed. You do not want to get physical with most of the folks around here.

Any fool who breaks the law and assaults someone should be perm banned and prosecuted.

deeeeeeeeeeeerail:
Yeah, no one breaks the law in the south or where they have concealed gun laws. That's why their prisons are empty and full of rose gardens.

I'd rather know my trained law enforcement officials will respond to asshattery as opposed to the imminently questionable Bubba and his wife who is also his sister.

/cali representin'

DukeRustfield wrote:

acsmedic wrote:I see people talking about players getting physical?

Must be in california or the north.

In my area many of our players carry concealed. You do not want to get physical with most of the folks around here.

Any fool who breaks the law and assaults someone should be perm banned and prosecuted.

...the south...prisons are empty and full of rose gardens....

I see what you did there.

Kirasu wrote:The plot thickens

>.>
<.<

Hte world does not revolve around DoP. Get over yourself please.

Now back to our regularly scheduled debacle...

Black Blow Fly wrote:Hte world does not revolve around DoP. Get over yourself please.

Now back to our regularly scheduled debacle...

Direct quotes would be appreciative if that comment was directed at my prior comment.

I made a hypothetical case wherein a few planets could revolve around DashofPepper if his winning streak brought him to the top of the 'ard Boyz tourney. In no way do I state everything revolves around him at this time.

So I don't know if you want me to get over myself or DashofPepper to get over myself...not quite sure who you want to by a physically impossible feat "get over oneself."

So what time is the debacled planned for anyway? I'll drive.

P.S. Heh...DashofPaprika would be an awesome forum name. No one steal that!

BBF, I asked him to respond to my post on a public forum. Get over yourself please. Especially when your opinion is suspect. ( see the "hypothetical" Situation from my earlier post). Dash thank you for responding. All I know of you is what I read on here, and living in the north I doubt I will ever run across you. I will say, nothing I have read in your posts would have bothered me in a tournament setting. But, I do get the impression from some of your posts, and what other people post, That you have an "attitude". With your military background I think I know where that comes from. The U.S. military does not train its people to think about how the enemy will feel when you shoot them. It teaches you to do what ever you have to do to win. I believe that is the "attitude" you are bringing to the table. There have been recent studies about collage age people lacking empathy because of this "all about me" culture in the U.S.. I have a feeling that some people take your "win at all costs" tunnel vision as a lack of empathy for your opponent. Like I said above, If you have a questionable rule think how your opponent will feel when you use it, and maybe don't. That will go along way towards making you a great guy to play, instead of a guy with a great win record. BBF I would like to know why your friend that made so many questionable decisions to win Ard Boyz a few years back deserves to be redeemed in the community. You have said he did it because of a lack of rules Knowledge, being new to the game and his codex. But Dash who has only been playing for two years, and only recently started playing nationally does not?

The space bar is your friend

I think banning someone should only be done after they have commited multiple offences, not just on the first one. You got to cut people some slack

I agree with the current generation of citizens being rather selfish and self important.. However

This

With your military background I think I know where that comes from. The U.S. military does not train its people to think about how the enemy will feel when you shoot them. It teaches you to do what ever you have to do to win

Is silly.. Its not just the US military that does this.. its basically all militiaries. The job of a military is to destroy the enemy and survive to come home. Studies have shown that the more a soldier "feels" for his enemy the less chance he has to come home alive.. Doesnt matter if you're american, british, russian..etc. If you dont shoot you may get shot

This is why the military should NOT be used as a police force.. but anyway just thought Id point that out that it's not just the US military that trains soldiers to..be.. soldiers

The other statements are more or less true.. Still amused by the whole "I dont understand the most BASIC RULE of my demon codex despite being in the wrecking crew" of 'ard boyz 2008 :p .. Amusing

I don't consider myself a WAAC gamer but sure I have an attitude... It happens as you grow old & crotchity. Maybe I am outdated. In regards to DoP I remember a couple years back following his posts on a local NC Yahoo! Group and got the impression he is somewhat of an underdog with the Us versus Them thing going on. Some people don't take it well when you beat them on a repitive basis. Maybe he is one of thoes guys you either love or hate.

Anyways with regard to banning I appreciate all the good feedback that has been posted here. I take the topic very seriously, it's a big deal. I think from what I have read if a TO thinks they have a potential problem on their hands the ideal approach is to first contact the person and discuss any allegations with them so that they are aware of the situation and give them a chance to tell their side of the story. That is only fair. Layout the rules for them & explain what you expect as proper conduct in your event. If problems then occur you can issue a warning(s) then DQ if you see fit. I don't think it's fair for a person or group to make allegations toward an individual and not let them know about it, so full disclosure. I have never banned anyone and much like yakface here I would rather try to work with a problem person to resolve issues in such a manner that hopefully everyone can have a good time as much as possible. If the problem(s) surface and continue to persist then you would have to be prepared to take action. Any actions taken should occur during the course of a game when an actual infraction occurs.

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Also, a lot of potential 'problems' can be avoided by having a written rules FAQ like Adepticon does.

In my experience, most people are considered 'bad people' because they don't play by the same rules interpretations as the other person.

Hmm, the clot quickens.