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Im sorry but as cool as th ey look... those would be rather easy to scratchbuild and for how small the seem to be the price is a tad... ridiculous... but thats forgeworld right? Looks like I might have to scratch build some of these bad boyz just for the hell of it.

Hmm...would these be adequate to use as proxy Killa Kans?

For those who didn't get the inside jokes:

Here is Rommel in a Tiger Tank:


Here is Montgomery in a Sherman Tank:


This tank commander wears a German WW2 field cap.


BTW someone asked for a size comparison pic:

I can't get the PDF to work. Can anyone attach it to a post of theirs?

Bootiful, but i'd never buy them (unless they were plastic).

Thanks for comparison photo, Kroothawk, I'm now definitely considering converting some to be counts-as kanz. Still need to work out the best way to mount a power claw on a tank though - maybe as a ridiculous buzz-saw mounted like a bayonet beside the gun? or hey, why can't a turret have a mechanical arm

So the sneering begins. Yes they're expensive, but to everyone who's said they can scratchbuild something this good - let's see it. I've seen a few really good Grot tanks, but (as with the frequent claims that people's scratchbuilt Ork vehicles are better than the official models) in reality this is usually just empty posturing. It takes an enormous amount of work just to scratchbuild the suspension, let alone all the detail that makes these so cool.

There's no doubt that an Apocalypse formation would be ridiculously expensive, and it'd be sensible to bulk them out with scratchbuilt components (there are some useful track components available in plastic kits, including the new Tamiya 1:48 scale Japanese bulldozer which has 1-piece tracks that look perfect for a Grot tank - http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=32565). But let's not start trashing the models themselves.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't get the PDF to work. Can anyone attach it to a post of theirs?

Hopefully this works...

Danke.

If you scroll down the photo's you can see that they've made the turrets fully modular, which is rather generous of them. They've got some unpainted versions that have been converted using bits from Battlewagons and Trukks, so you can use grabbin' klaws and wreckin' balls for your DCCW if you want them to count as Killa Kans.

The way the description is written it also sounds like there are already 5 weapons in the kits. So if you're into scratch building you could mix and match and probably get two sets of tanks out of one kit...

So... does Forgeworld make anything other than Ork stuff? I'm really getting sick of seeing this stuff, especially since anyone can slice up a piece of plasticard and make their own anyways.

Asrodrig wrote:So... does Forgeworld make anything other than Ork stuff? I'm really getting sick of seeing this stuff, especially since anyone can slice up a piece of plasticard and make their own anyways.

Wait, what? First people complain that they do too much Imperial stuff, so they tackle the Orks properly and now it's too much?

Asrodrig wrote:So... does Forgeworld make anything other than Ork stuff? I'm really getting sick of seeing this stuff, especially since anyone can slice up a piece of plasticard and make their own anyways.

You may have failed to notice that FW just released a new book full of Ork stuff.


Jesus... people will complain about anything.

Take a breath guys and back to the original topic.

Right, talk bout the cute tanks! I just want to take a few and cuddle them, and then put them on the table and let their deranged minds get to work at blasting my enemies apart.

Asrodrig wrote:So... does Forgeworld make anything other than Ork stuff? I'm really getting sick of seeing this stuff, especially since anyone can slice up a piece of plasticard and make their own anyways.

We've got a winner for June's worste post. Congrats to Asro for being able to pull it off so early in the month. I keed. I keed.
To answer your question, yes, they do. See Elysians and Death Korps to name 2 almost complete armies. Then there's all the terrain theyu make and a crap ton of IG tanks and turrets. Oh yeah, all the flyers for individual armies.

OT:
I really like the lil grotties I passed on the Chinork, but I don't think I'll be able to pass on these little gems.

This is the greatest thing FW has ever done.

How much are they in $$$? Seeing as the 1/48 models cost around 30-40 bucks, its the lesser of the two weevels for me on this one.

xe.com- 58 GBP= 83 USD
A set includes 4 tanks.

$83 US for 4 of those isn't bad actually. $20.75/per tank is a steal IMO.

Sure you could scratch build for less but I bet nobody can scratchbuild as good as those look with the level of detail they have.

Oh, I bet some people can. But I'm not one of htem.

No doubt there are people who can look at these and scratch build somehting better. You won't be able to buy them, but if you can they'll likely be as expensive, if not more. It's easy to sit back and improve on something already out there. It's something else entirely to bring it from concept to reality.

Yeah I seriously doubt someone can build a better grot tank for cheaper.. Illusions of grandeur it seems

However, they are like a 10x better buy than the silly elysian armor 10 lascannon which is similar in size and points.. and you get 1 instead of 4!

I rather them keep producing new ork vehicles than imperial guard with different heads that are 3x the price! Unique stuff rocks

Much too expensive!

4 tanks for 80 bucks is VERY cheap. Especially since they can count as killa kanz in standard games.

Tailgunner wrote:So the sneering begins. Yes they're expensive, but to everyone who's said they can scratchbuild something this good - let's see it.

my Guard stuff on Dakka - some scratchbuilds & conversions in there.

Hit my [WWW] button, and go to 40k Imperial Guard section for more pics.

Update: added bigger pics of the mini-tank which is comparable to the Grot tanks. Also accessible by clicking on the IG link in my sig.

I like your conversions John. They're good to go as stand alone conversions.

They fall significantly short when compared to the modeling and character of the Grot tanks.

Your quote above is very fitting...

For my conversions, I start from designing around the Imperial Track plates. Aside from the Russes, Hydra, and Bassie are practically FSBs. If I had FW resources and worked at FW full-time, I could definitely do more. Right now, my biggest problem is being able to mass-produce tracks and wheels - but GW / FW can do this easily if I create a master, which is well within my modeling abilities.

I don't like Orks or Orky stuff, and that's not my intent or desire. The idea that any of my stuff would be Orky would be an utter failure of modeling and design.

WRT the quote, I never sneered at the Grot tanks. I'm responding to the scratchbuilding capabilities. I have no worries on this front.

Can anyone give me a rough idea of how these work ruleswise? No pts just unit type, how many per unit, what slot? That kind of thing.

They look like they'd compliment my kan-wall very nicely, more armour, more gunz and some mobility but if they're a heavy then that's a bust for me.

Plus they're gorgeous. I can't wait to get home when I can finally start ordering stuff from Forgeworld again.

They're little tanks. That can move and fire.

They're Elite choices in a standard Ork army, Fast Attack in a Deff Dread mob.

I have to say, I like them. Very neat little tanks, and the fact that you get 4 for the listed price is pretty cool. Yeah, they're expensive, but so is everything else on FW.

That being said, I have the feeling that they'd probably sell a little better if they had them for sale as single tanks as well, not just the 4-pack. I'd probably pick up one or two of them if they were sold individually as well as in the 4-pack.

And the Apoc formation is pretty sweet - I'd love to see someone go nuts and make an Apoc army of nothing but Grot tanks. The look on your opponent's face would be priceless.