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DiscoVader wrote:I'd love to see someone go nuts and make an Apoc army of nothing but Grot tanks. The look on your opponent's face would be priceless.

FW would love it, too - and they could put a price on it!

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:Can anyone give me a rough idea of how these work ruleswise? ...

yeah,
Squadrons of 3-6 tanks.
Fast attack choice in the IA dread list.
Added to codex orks as a elites choice

They are basically the same armour and cost as buggies.
They move 2D6" and fire all weapons.
or move flat out 3d6" fire no weapons.

They don't have TL weapons but they are BS3.
Same weapons as KillaKans (Scorcha, Rocket, BigShoota, GrotZooka, mega blaster)...

They do have a 5++ save against damage.

this for me is a cool little unit.

Panic...

edit:
you can also buy a 15pt upgrade to make one tank in the squadron the CommandTank. he gets to have a second weapon from the List and allows a reroll on the random movement dice.

interesting... what's the fluff justification for the 5++ save? a smoke screen ala bikers?

I must own them! Damn you FW! DAMN YOU!



FORGE WORLD! :::echo::: FORGE WORLD! ::: echo::: FORGE WORLD! :::echo:::

The more I read about these the more I need some. An opponent would freak at the tide wave of Grot Steel. Just cool little tanks. Making a grot army all that much more a possible, I like it.

LunaHound wrote:Ouch £2.50 each more would be same price as a Razorback

But im such a fan of grots... any idea of what they can be good for count as?

Lootas? Flashgitz?

I think they would be cool as Flash gitz or lootas but they look a bit big for either... but if your gamer group is cool.. I would say thay could be Buggies or wartracks... and look heaps betther than the ones they have now...

warboss wrote:interesting... what's the fluff justification for the 5++ save? a smoke screen ala bikers?

So much unnecessary crap bolted onto them by the Grots that shots just bounce off the scrap and do nothing

That reminds me of the old Ork Armor Plates. 6+ save to ignore anything that hit them.

Grots are lucky = 5+ save

Kanluwen wrote:

warboss wrote:interesting... what's the fluff justification for the 5++ save? a smoke screen ala bikers?

So much unnecessary crap bolted onto them by the Grots that shots just bounce off the scrap and do nothing

lol, that sounds like a standard feature of every ork vehicle yet they don't get the save.

Damn, I needs me some of these.

yeah,

warboss wrote:interesting... what's the fluff justification for the 5++ save? a smoke screen ala bikers?

Fluff says they overbuild the tanks, and that lots can be knocked off with no effect to the tanks operation. At the end of the day they are just fancy buggies, all that plating doesn't actually increase it's AV value (still 10/10/10) and slows the mini tank down.

Admiral-Badruck wrote: I think they would be cool as Flash gitz or lootas but they look a bit big for either... but if your gamer group is cool.. I would say thay could be Buggies or wartracks... and look heaps betther than the ones they have now...

They are 40K legal units, Count them as Grot tanks!!!

IA8 Page 135 GrotTankMob wrote:"Grot Tank Mobs may be taken as an Elite choice in a Codex Ork army, as long as the army contains at least one Big Mek"

I started a thread about this and no one could give a valid reason why this is not a 100% official Codex Ork entry.

This is a unit in a GW 40k Expansion book...
<---Official 40K Expansion symbol

The Haters are saying that by RAW the rules never say FW or IA are valid in 40k so you can't use them without your opponents permission.
I disagree if I buy a expansion and it says this 'Unit X is a Y choice for X codex' then its a new unit for normal games of 40k.
If GW didn't intend for these units to be codex legal, why write that in the unit entry in the middle of a IA OrkArmy list.

Panic...

Well some people are ***holes like that.

There are people trying to say I can't use Codex: Witch Hunters because it's two editions old and therefor it doesn't work with fifth edition.

These tanks are the shizz. Looks like good counts as skorcha trakks and what have you even without the grot rules.

Do you think it would be easy to convert them from 1/72 tank models?

Panic wrote:yeah,

warboss wrote:interesting... what's the fluff justification for the 5++ save? a smoke screen ala bikers?

Fluff says they overbuild the tanks, and that lots can be knocked off with no effect to the tanks operation. At the end of the day they are just fancy buggies, all that plating doesn't actually increase it's AV value (still 10/10/10) and slows the mini tank down.

thanks for the explanation. i didn't realize they were still 10/10/10 so that's an interesting orky trade off.

MDizzle wrote:Do you think it would be easy to convert them from 1/72 tank models?

You'll have to add lots of extra plasti cards to make them look orky , could work i guess

MDizzle wrote:Do you think it would be easy to convert them from 1/72 tank models?

IMO, a simple conversion would be problematic. 1/72 tanks are long enough, but much too narrow and far, far too short. I think all you could salvage would be the running gear, and maybe some of the box chassis for the turret ring. For the same effort, I'd suggest t to buy 1/48 wheels & tracks and just scratchbuild the rest.

What about going with 1/35 or would they still be to to big? I was thinking of using like a Stuart light tank.

http://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Military_Vehicles/ACD00001399/product.php?pg=1&ppp=24&sb=stocknumber&so=a&era=6&sc=35

I need!!! I'll probably make my own. Or use Flames of War tanks and put a grot in it.


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By the way 1/35 will be too big. I use 1/35 scale Walker M-41 bulldogs as Ork Battle Wagons.

MDizzle wrote:What about going with 1/35 or would they still be to to big? I was thinking of using like a Stuart light tank.

A 1/35 light tank isn't a bad start, but you should be prepared to section the hull and narrow it up, to make it more of a cube.

If you're good, you can probably get 2 tank chassis out of a regular 1/35 tank...

As far as cost goes it might be cheaper to just buy the forgeworld stuff.

Seems like the plastic BW treads are perfect. Box out a chassis to stick them onto and then add any of the various ork turrets from BW or orkified Imperial turrets, etc.

detail with ork glyph plates, exhausts, etc. from the various ork plastic kits...

i have a mock up using this method that I am fairly happy with. I plan to build some this way and mix them in with the FW models...

I quite like them and I've been quite happy with all the recent ork releases from forgeworld.
And now that I'm finally getting around to actually painting again after about a decade, I can't wait to get these.

MDizzle wrote:What about going with 1/35 or would they still be to to big? I was thinking of using like a Stuart light tank.

No problem, if you can get a 13cm tank onto a 40mm base

Grot tanks are cute caricatures of real tanks, not just small tanks. Neither is a half sized Ork as funny as a Grot. So 1/76 tanks won't have the same effect either, they just look like cheap proxies.

The Haters are saying that by RAW the rules never say FW or IA are valid in 40k so you can't use them without your opponents permission.
I disagree if I buy a expansion and it says this 'Unit X is a Y choice for X codex' then its a new unit for normal games of 40k.
If GW didn't intend for these units to be codex legal, why write that in the unit entry in the middle of a IA OrkArmy list.

Panic...

I always think it's best to discuss forgeworld stuff with your opponent beforehand, but, personally, if someone has the legitimate rules for any given forgeworld model and gives me a chance to familiarise myself with them then I can't really see myself saying 'no.'

The main reason people don't like flyers is because most codices aren't equipped to deal with them.

What is to deal with they fly they shoot you they are expenceive and they are fun... they normally die the first time you hit them... Tournaments are normally the places that say no FW... as for me I would like to see more FW friendly tournaments...

Flyers have certain advantages that are mitigated by having anti-air weaponry (that being their primary counter, similar to how vehicles are countered by high-strength weapons and infantry are countered by having lots of low to mid strength shots). No GW codex has anti-air weaponry, and therefor you have to use IA vehicles for the purpose, but not all armies have such vehicles.