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Funny story about the first prototype being destroyed by the back turret shooting the front in heavy foggy conditions. The second one caught fire and blew up and the final one broke in half while crossing a ravine on its way to Germany.
When asked how this thing would ever turn. Stalin was said to have replied:
"It doesn't need to turn, it will drive straight to Berlin" - said Stalin
That quote's so cool, I might sig it.
Edit: please note that the Behemoth was more than likely a myth; however, the Tsar tank was real.
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Soladrin wrote:If I'm correct, the whole tank is huge,
and doubles as an APC,
they could make it super heavy
No, it's normal-size - like a M1.
It can trade some ammo to carry some Infantry, but it isn't an APC.
Weight is comparable to a M1.
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c34r34lk1ll3r wrote:Here are some of the largest commisioned tanks on the planet, some of which didn't get past the planning stage. This is a comparison chart:
Your "comparision chart" is completely useless.
1940s Nazi Germany was NOT going to upscale 1960s T-series Soviet running gear for their superheavies.
The Soviet tanks used the Christie suspension design invented in the 1920s.
It was widely used by the British as well as the Soviets. Some US tanks also used it.
That said, it is unlikely the Germans would have switched away from their own suspension designs.
That said, the whole idea of gargantuan supertanks was essentially a fantasy. There are all sorts of engineering and tactical reasons why they would be impractical.
Even the Tiger tank had to remove its outmost set of road wheels to be loaded onto a rail car.
Kilkrazy wrote:The Soviet tanks used the Christie suspension design invented in the 1920s.
It was widely used by the British as well as the Soviets. Some US tanks also used it.
That said, it is unlikely the Germans would have switched away from their own suspension designs.
That said, the whole idea of gargantuan supertanks was essentially a fantasy. There are all sorts of engineering and tactical reasons why they would be impractical.
Even the Tiger tank had to remove its outmost set of road wheels to be loaded onto a rail car.
And all for nought when a thunderbird (or typhoon for you Brits) flies over and blows it to absolute hell.
Just like the evil Nazis, bring a tank to a plane fight.
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Soladrin wrote:If I'm correct, the whole tank is huge,
and doubles as an APC,
they could make it super heavy
No, it's normal-size - like a M1.
It can trade some ammo to carry some Infantry, but it isn't an APC.
Weight is comparable to a M1.
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c34r34lk1ll3r wrote:Here are some of the largest commisioned tanks on the planet, some of which didn't get past the planning stage. This is a comparison chart:
Your "comparision chart" is completely useless.
1940s Nazi Germany was NOT going to upscale 1960s T-series Soviet running gear for their superheavies.
I didn't make the thing, I just stole it from another website.
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Kilkrazy wrote:Even the Tiger tank had to remove its outmost set of road wheels to be loaded onto a rail car.
Did they have to remove the wheels? I know they had to remove the side skirts and change the tracks to a narrower set. It's why they made the Panther narrower.
Kilkrazy wrote:Yes, the outermost road wheels were also removed.
Oh dear, did that apply to the later chassis as well as the early war one?
Here's a picture of the one in Bovington. Your flag indicates you're in Japan (I thought you were american?), but if you get the chance to see it running it's well worth it.
1. That's a train gun, not a tank.
2. It has hardly the kind of armor a tank would have at that size (=lots of weight)
3. The thing needed rails, didn't run on tracks.
4. Not self propelled.
5. Seperate ammo storage.
Oh and that's a tiny one. Here's a real gun :3
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Yeah, I really like the Merkava. It is slower and outranged 'd get smashed by an Abrams in an open field, but the Israelis aren't going to be fighting the US in the open so they don't care about that. They are going to be fighting low tech opponents in urban environments, and the Merkava's design is perfect for that purpose. It's a great modern tank, because it fits its design requirement so well.
In terms of the absolute, coolest looking tank you'll ever see though, nothing beats the IS-3 Joseph Stalin.
In terms of the most effective tank, it has to be the bog standard T-34. This thing was built to crush Nazis, and nothing crushed as many Nazis as the T-34.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Kilkrazy wrote:Yes, the outermost road wheels were also removed.
Oh dear, did that apply to the later chassis as well as the early war one?
Here's a picture of the one in Bovington. Your flag indicates you're in Japan (I thought you were american?), but if you get the chance to see it running it's well worth it.
I'm English, I live in London. My flag only indicates I am in Japan because I can't change it form the last time I was there.
I donated £50 to the Bovington Save OUr Tiger fund.
sebster wrote:Yeah, I really like the Merkava. It is slower and outranged 'd get smashed by an Abrams in an open field, but the Israelis aren't going to be fighting the US in the open so they don't care about that. They are going to be fighting low tech opponents in urban environments, and the Merkava's design is perfect for that purpose. It's a great modern tank, because it fits its design requirement so well.
In terms of the absolute, coolest looking tank you'll ever see though, nothing beats the IS-3 Joseph Stalin.
In terms of the most effective tank, it has to be the bog standard T-34. This thing was built to crush Nazis, and nothing crushed as many Nazis as the T-34.
We disagree on many things, but on this great, if warped, minds think alike.
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