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a power weapons energy field would easily deflect a light saber, although the 8 ft tall superhuman wielding said weapon will just destroy the jedi.

The jedi afterall would lop an arm off with some insanely over complicated flourishing strike while spinning and striking a pose, thinking that marine is going to stop fighting because of an arm, except that marine caught his spinning arm and rammed it gauntlet first down the jedis throat ... lol

kill dem stunties wrote:a power weapons energy field would easily deflect a light saber, although the 8 ft tall superhuman wielding said weapon will just destroy the jedi.

The jedi afterall would lop an arm off with some insanely over complicated flourishing strike while spinning and striking a pose, thinking that marine is going to stop fighting because of an arm, except that marine caught his spinning arm and rammed it gauntlet first down the jedis throat ... lol

Or if he's a scout, just cut him in half with a shotgun round at 15 yards before the jedi got close. Stupid Jedi...

kill dem stunties wrote:a power weapons energy field would easily deflect a light saber, although the 8 ft tall superhuman wielding said weapon will just destroy the jedi.

The jedi afterall would lop an arm off with some insanely over complicated flourishing strike while spinning and striking a pose, thinking that marine is going to stop fighting because of an arm, except that marine caught his spinning arm and rammed it gauntlet first down the jedis throat ... lol

I dont know what your smoking but you really should share with the rest of the class....

Jedi fought things bigger then them all the time, stronger too. They are faster, more agile and smarter then the IoM soldiers could ever hope to be, that being said as much as I love me some Jedi, it would still come down to a numbers game, there just arent enough of them. I'd give the battle to the IoM, but the Jedi themselves would be more then a match for over a dozen of their soldiers at a time, but would fail due to the numbers arrayed against them.

Yak9UT wrote:I think Imperium of man because they have guns that shoot bullets which go faster then lasers.

EPIC FAIL..... the Speed of light is damn fast the last time I checked.

To begin with the IoM would have the advantage, as their society is organised for war and has the benefit of numbers and heavier weapons.

However the galaxy is a large place, so the GE would be able to retreat while organising their own society for war, ramping up production, developing heavier weapons, and so on.

As we know, the IoM is a highly bureacratic society and dependent on lots of paperwork. The GE does not have any paper, though. As the IoM conquered more planets, their bureaucratic needs would increase greatly, probably to the point where all of their logistic capacity was tied up in bringing paper supplies from the IoM galaxy to the GE galaxy.

This would stall their advance and give the GE the breathing space needed to mount a successful counter-attack.

yeah, but the Empire is still a relativly beurocratic society and there would be elements that would oppose the Militarization of the entire empire.


the IoM also has MASSIVE armies. the Empire's army even at its height couldn't shake a stick at even a 10th of the IG and then there is the SMs, SoB,


the IoM may be slow and ponderous, but once it is moving it will crush any and every thing that stands in its way. it would be war on a scale that would make the Yhozon von look like a bunch of Panzies and the Ancient masters of the Galaxy seem like wimpy old ghezers.

the ancient Sith would take one look, have a sudden incountanance problem and run as fast as them possably could.

Kilkrazy wrote:To begin with the IoM would have the advantage, as their society is organised for war and has the benefit of numbers and heavier weapons.

However the galaxy is a large place, so the GE would be able to retreat while organising their own society for war, ramping up production, developing heavier weapons, and so on.

As we know, the IoM is a highly bureacratic society and dependent on lots of paperwork. The GE does not have any paper, though. As the IoM conquered more planets, their bureaucratic needs would increase greatly, probably to the point where all of their logistic capacity was tied up in bringing paper supplies from the IoM galaxy to the GE galaxy.

This would stall their advance and give the GE the breathing space needed to mount a successful counter-attack.

This bring a new definition to the term logistical train.

Tech sergeant Ralph: "Warmaster Bob, the supply convoy has arrived."
Admech message "Well we could either bring 8*10(42nd power) tons of foodstuff, ammo, and fuel, or this load of munitorum request forms. Sorry"
Warmaster facepalm.

Bah who you kidding, the Sith would find a way to infiltrate and take over. The sith can yell "for the emperor" just as easy...

Grey Templar wrote:


the IoM also has MASSIVE armies. the Empire's army even at its height couldn't shake a stick at even a 10th of the IG and then there is the SMs, SoB,


the IoM may be slow and ponderous, but once it is moving it will crush any and every thing that stands in its way. it would be war on a scale that would make the Yhozon von look like a bunch of Panzies and the Ancient masters of the Galaxy seem like wimpy old ghezers.

the ancient Sith would take one look, have a sudden incountanance problem and run as fast as them possably could.

Yup, there's about 500,000,000,000,000 guardsmen and changing all the time, bout 10,000,000,000,000 russes and a helluva lot of everything else. Plus, if the movies anything to go by, blasters fire a lot slower rounds than lasguns (not the speed of light, lasguns are plas weapons-they travel faster) so jedi would have a hard time blocking them, especially when ther'es millions of them. Also, IG has bout 5 trillion ordnance pieces, 500 million super heavies and 10 million titans. Someone tell me how GEs gonna deal with that.

There's a startling lack of 0's in your numbers above. You really should add a few...

Jedi's dont block when the round is fired, they block BEFORE it's fired, the force tells them where to block, so it doesnt matter how fast the round goes, it only matters how much spacing is between them, can he block/dodge enough to not be hit? Speed doesn't really factor in, unless you are counting the jedi's speed in moving and positioning, just a thought

Warlordron'swaagh wrote:Jedi's dont block when the round is fired, they block BEFORE it's fired, the force tells them where to block, so it doesnt matter how fast the round goes, it only matters how much spacing is between them, can he block/dodge enough to not be hit? Speed doesn't really factor in, unless you are counting the jedi's speed in moving and positioning, just a thought

How'd they get so owned by stormtroopers when the order to kill them all went out from Palpatine then?

1) jump the shark moment?
2) at their heart most jedi are lame.
or
3) it was all an eldar plot to pre-empt three more craptacular movies spoiling the greatness that was Star Wars?

Their arrogance consumed them, they felt that were completly in charge so when the feelings came most fell victim, but not yoda! Cause Yoda rocks, and he knew it was coming, thats why he chopped their damn heads off, had a space ship ready to launch and took off before the clones knew what happened.

again i bring up the point of bloody dark troopers.... how does everyone miss this point so badly?

If the Force Unleashed is a reliable source, then the GE has a fair number of Evo Troopers (Strom troopers & 5+ invuln. save) and Purge troopers (termies w/ no PF and shoulder-mounted plascannon). Nothing the IoM can't handle, though.


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And yup, dark troopers would be pretty badass. Just not enough to win a war

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:again i bring up the point of bloody dark troopers.... how does everyone miss this point so badly?

The reason Dark Troopers aren't noted is because they only really appear in the extended universe, and even then there are very few of them.

just putting my two cents.The IoM would win they would call exterminous.

jrmudo wrote:just putting my two cents.The IoM would win they would call exterminous.

Spelling fail. But yes, IoM would win.

Klawz wrote:

jrmudo wrote:just putting my two cents.The IoM would win they would call exterminous.

Spelling fail. But yes, IoM would win.

Bad spelling I know but hey at least I tried.

Well if the attack is on a IoM world.
A lot of imperial guard would be shipped there. If the threat would be to big exterminatus.
Also if Jedi powers would follow the laws of 40k while operating in the IoM. Then there would be a lot of possesed Jedi. It would be like throwing a poodle in a pool with sharks.

If the attack is on a GE world
GE wins with the state the IoM is now. The IoM can not wage a war against another superpower. Forces would have to be repositioned leaving weak places in the IoM's defense. This would lead to another Black Crusade, hive fleet punching trough etc etc.
But if Psycher powers follow GE laws while in the GE.... oh my Alpha level psychers could decimate entire sectors.

Lord Demon wrote:Well if the attack is on a IoM world.
A lot of imperial guard would be shipped there. If the threat would be to big exterminatus.
Also if Jedi powers would follow the laws of 40k while operating in the IoM. Then there would be a lot of possesed Jedi. It would be like throwing a poodle in a pool with sharks.

If the attack is on a GE world
GE wins with the state the IoM is now. The IoM can not wage a war against another superpower. Forces would have to be repositioned leaving weak places in the IoM's defense. This would lead to another Black Crusade, hive fleet punching trough etc etc.
But if Psycher powers follow GE laws while in the GE.... oh my Alpha level psychers could decimate entire sectors.

First, no, no exterminatus. That isn't an instant "I WIN" button for the imperium. Secondly, You have to assume the Imperium isn't dealing with other threats. Other than that, correct.

I'm going to have to throw my hat in with the GE.
Yes the IoM can bring an ungodly amount of troops to one position but how long would that take? The Imperial fleet can drop 25 000 Imperial I and II class star destroyers if they want to commit their entire fleet. For the ground war it would be a bloody mess. Lets say that the GE deploys four storm trooper legions with armor support. They'd also get support from Victory I class star destroyers which can provide close range fire support (The only "Star Destroyer" that can enter an atmosphere).
I'd say Storm Troopers are one a 1:1 ratio on armor and weapons. Storm Troopers may be better trained (Depending on the Legion and if they were "home grown" or not).
When it comes down to it, I'd say the Empire would win but not by much. This is just saying that they are fighting with just the Storm trooper legions, guard regiments and the respective Navies. The SO Brigade could be thrown in, as well as the Space Marines, SoB and anything else the IoM can throw at them. I'd love to see/read what would happen (The Naval battles would be intense to.)

The Empire fell to rebels!

Chaos is much better then rebels and the Imperuim Of Man still havn't completly lost to Chaos.

And yet these small group of rebels destroyed 2 deathstars and defeted the Empire.


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Anarchyman99 wrote:

Yak9UT wrote:I think Imperium of man because they have guns that shoot bullets which go faster then lasers.

EPIC FAIL..... the Speed of light is damn fast the last time I checked.

The Empire Laser Blasters dont go the speed of light! They don't even go as fast as the speed of sound.

I don't mean real lasers!

It's all about logistics - the empire hyper drive is quite a bit more reliable than the warp drive. That said, the Imperium has a pretty heavy religious aspect which would make it harder to actually conquer planets. I'd guesstimate the Empire would be better on the offense and the Imperium would be better on the D.

I'd go with the GE. I think their groundforces weapons and armor are superior to Guardsman. Next the AT-AT is more formidable than most people realise. It's shots were missing people and they were still blown away. The GE has shield technology located on almost every ground based armored vehicle, from the lumbering giants to the skimmer like ships in clone wars.

Jedi are not psykers. They manipulate the force, which is living things. Imperium psykers draw upon the warp and as such can be attacked by it. The two operate differently and as such the Imperium wouldn't be able to stop Jedi powers with anti-warp stuff like psychic hoods. If a Jedi had a unit of assault terminators bearing down on him he could just force push the Termies away, pick one up and start playing WII Bowling on the battlefield.

DarthDiggler wrote:I'd go with the GE. I think their groundforces weapons and armor are superior to Guardsman. Next the AT-AT is more formidable than most people realise. It's shots were missing people and they were still blown away. The GE has shield technology located on almost every ground based armored vehicle, from the lumbering giants to the skimmer like ships in clone wars.

Jedi are not psykers. They manipulate the force, which is living things. Imperium psykers draw upon the warp and as such can be attacked by it. The two operate differently and as such the Imperium wouldn't be able to stop Jedi powers with anti-warp stuff like psychic hoods. If a Jedi had a unit of assault terminators bearing down on him he could just force push the Termies away, pick one up and start playing WII Bowling on the battlefield.

Pretty sure Titan and even some Titan-killer shots would do the same. The shields would probably stop things like lasguns but a Baneblade or even a Leman Russ would likely destroy them (as previously mentioned solid shots tend to work on them well). And as to Jedi... after the "bowling session" (more likely before) an Imperial Psyker would make the Jedi's head explode.

CrazyThang wrote:

DarthDiggler wrote:I'd go with the GE. I think their groundforces weapons and armor are superior to Guardsman. Next the AT-AT is more formidable than most people realise. It's shots were missing people and they were still blown away. The GE has shield technology located on almost every ground based armored vehicle, from the lumbering giants to the skimmer like ships in clone wars.

Jedi are not psykers. They manipulate the force, which is living things. Imperium psykers draw upon the warp and as such can be attacked by it. The two operate differently and as such the Imperium wouldn't be able to stop Jedi powers with anti-warp stuff like psychic hoods. If a Jedi had a unit of assault terminators bearing down on him he could just force push the Termies away, pick one up and start playing WII Bowling on the battlefield.

Pretty sure Titan and even some Titan-killer shots would do the same. The shields would probably stop things like lasguns but a Baneblade or even a Leman Russ would likely destroy them (as previously mentioned solid shots tend to work on them well). And as to Jedi... after the "bowling session" (more likely before) an Imperial Psyker would make the Jedi's head explode.

and the sith behind him, (and yes i say sith as we are talking about the empire and not the republic) would kill said psyker in the same manner using the force or possibly in an even worse manner (life drain anyone?)

Im suprised no one has brought up the Mighty DeathStar. I mean the GE can I assume easily build another one or two and well goodbye anything the IoM can muster.

Oh i forgot screw the the Titans look up world devastators or speaking of artillery which IoM lovers are so proud of i challenge an entire planet covered in IG artillery versus the GE's Galaxy Gun now thats a artillery piece

I voted UFP last thread, but that was based solely on UFP naval control.

That said, here's a few things:

1. Numbers. I wholeheartedly believe that the Guard alone outnumber imperial troops.

2. Stormtroopers can't hit ANYTHING. It's in the movies. My god these guys were cloned from Helen Keller's genes, not a Fett.

3. Weaponry. As someone said before me, HW teams can easily control the field of battle amongst their lasgun toting buddies. AT-STs are now in season.

4. Space Marines vs Stormtroopers? Skip that. I wanna see a Space Marine take a Walker in close combat. We all know who'd win.

In short, IoM in a heartbeat.