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warhammer for sure, as said above, even if a psyker messes up, daemons will appear, and who would win then?

(Muahahahahahaha!)

anyways.. I would have to think that jedi could not stop massed fire power, and or multiple psychic assaults, which the imperium would do if they figured out it works.

And yes, starkiller can bring down a starship, but alpha level psykers can turn armies inside out with a single mutter (or was it glance? 4th edition core rule book)

I would have to say Imperium has the edge here.

Samus_aran115 wrote:LOLOLOLOL.

Yeah, psyker powers aren' as limited as what's in the codexes. They can really do anything their imaginations can fathom.
"hey, that's an ugly picture of me in the yearbook, lemme just burn that out...*burns*. Awesome."

Probably the limits of space marine imagination.

I don't think Space Marines are very imaginative outside of battle. Even in battle many of them aren't (follow the codex astartes!).

Also, the overwhelming majority of psykers in the Imperium are human, not astartes.

i'm still siding with the galactic empire simply because vader + starkiller, + mara jade + palpatine = win

Creed + any four Beta / Alpha level Imperial Psykers = more win.

unless vader or starkiller force crush them first, lol

Yak9UT wrote:I think Imperium of man because they have guns that shoot bullets which go faster then lasers.

Besides the Empire was defeated by rebels so they can't be that tough.

yesh. Geeky, mid-1970's Rebels at that.

Hey,after we destroy the empire n' stuff, we're all going down to the 14th street disco. Luke, you coming?

Samus_aran115 wrote:LOLOLOLOL.

Yeah, psyker powers aren' as limited as what's in the codexes. They can really do anything their imaginations can fathom.
"hey, that's an ugly picture of me in the yearbook, lemme just burn that out...*burns*. Awesome."

Probably the limits of space marine imagination.

Really? "Anything your imagination can fathom" and you stop at yearbook pictures?

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:unless vader or starkiller force crush them first, lol

They couldn't do that because of tactical genius.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:unless vader or starkiller force crush them first, lol

Thats no Creed thats a piss off baneblade, CRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDD ,

Imperium wins. No matter what the Empire throws at them, the Imperium wins.

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you underestimate the full power of the dark side of the force

Imperial Stormtroopers cant shoot straight even in large numbers therefor I vote IG.

When Obi-Wan said this:

These blast-points... Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.

He was being sarcastic.

ShadowAngel159 wrote:Imperium wins. No matter what the Empire throws at them, the Imperium wins.

I find your lack of faith disturbing

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

ShadowAngel159 wrote:Imperium wins. No matter what the Empire throws at them, the Imperium wins.

I find your lack of faith disturbing

I lost all faith in Star Wars after episode 3 and reading some of the books.

I vote Imperium. I'm not going to try and reason why, because many people already pointed out good facts about it.

Either way, no matter who wins...... It would be one of a fight to see

Dude, I lost all faith in Star Wars the moment I first saw Jar-Jar Binks first open his mouth.

Melissia wrote:Dude, I lost all faith in Star Wars the moment I first saw Jar-Jar Binks first open his mouth.

lol... it's all his fault the empire came into being as he is the one who passed the approal of the clone's threw then senate

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Melissia wrote:Dude, I lost all faith in Star Wars the moment I first saw Jar-Jar Binks first open his mouth.

lol... it's all his fault the empire came into being as he is the one who passed the approal of the clone's threw then senate

Hahahaha! I forgot about that!

you, Jar Jar Binks!!! YOU!!!!!!!!

But anyways, back on topic. I believe that if the Imperium was Pre-Heresy, there would be no question of victory for them. Pre-Heresy, the Imperium was completely united, had much more technology that is now lost, all twenty legions of Space Marines instead of just nine being broken into little Chapters, all the Primarchs (HUGE advantage right there), and the Emperor not being a rotting corpse on the Golden Toilet (I mean Throne ). They also had no lost Titan Legions, no lost Imperial Army regiments, many more worlds (which equals more people, more in their armouries, and more soldiers), and more.

However, post-Heresy, I would probably say the fight would be about equal.

But if it WASN'T the Galactic Empire, instead it being..... I don't know, the Sith Empire instead or even the Old Republic (with clone army of course), I would probably say them. Sith Empire because they had hundreds (maybe thousands) of Sith and Dark Jedi (Yes, they are different. PM me if you want to debate about that), better soldiers (seriously, Sith soldiers vs. Storm Troopers..... not even a fair fight. Sith ftw), better technology, and (if you want to include KOTOR storyline) the Star Forge. Old Republic because of all the Jedi, the Fett-clones were pretty much Mandalorians at heart and they were all born soldiers (combine that, you have the ultimate soldier), technology was focused more on quality than quantity, and they were able to take out armies three times their size (but then again, they really only fought droids so.... who knows how they would do against Guardsmen or Astartes).

It really all depends on timeline for each universe, how the war is being fought, who is leading them, etc.

Also, I have been reading a lot about how 40k Titans seem to be able to never be defeated by the Empire. The OP said there was no space battles in this, only ground. If that were the case, then I believe the Titans would not be stopped. However, if you throw in space battles as well, all it would take to rip apart that Titan is one orbital bombardment by an Imperial Star Destroyer with its turbolasers. Also, if the Empire has air superiority, they could just do strafing runs with TIE bombers and take it down (probably a little slowly, but eventually it would fall).

Once again, it all depends on the circumstances. Pre- or Post- Heresy? Which government is in charge of the Star Wars Galaxy at the time? How is the war being fought? Who is fighting? Who is leading? Does either army have superiority on one of the fronts or is it equal? Who's attacking and who's defending? The list goes on and on.

I say, however you want the battle to end is how it will end. Just use your imagination.

Semi- off topic: I don't know when, but I will be eventually posting a story on here of this very idea. A war between the Imperium of Man and the Galactic Empire. It will take place in the star wars galaxy, Imperium is pre-heresy, but there is no Rebellion so the Empire is at its strongest. yes, I'm going against...... I'll say all the fluff of both storylines. But I think it could be fun. So look out for my story (if you want) in the Dakka Fiction forum.

Back on topic: I vote for Imperium

also everyone who keeps saying the imperium could just do exterminus on the planet i say this: The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.

And the power of the force is insignificant compared to the power of the Warp!

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:also everyone who keeps saying the imperium could just do exterminus on the planet i say this: The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.

Can you please explain the logic behind that statement?

It's a quote from the first (chronologically) Star Wars movie.

Melissia wrote:It's a quote from the first (chronologically) Star Wars movie.

Ah. Thanks.

Alright its freaking 2am here because I had to stay up and read the entire damn thread lol
I think theres just one clenching argument to be hammered home:

Any way you look at it, it all comes down to numbers. Even if the GE has better technology (which is still debatable- lasguns v blasters, titans v AT ATs, thick armor v shields, etc), you can't compete with the IoMs numbers.
TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS of guardsmen, with BILLIONS recruited from single planets every year, are out defending the imperium, ready to be called upon to throw themselves at the xenos threat.
I point to real life battles such as stalingrad and the entire eastern front of WW2. Germany had FAR superior machine guns, tanks, aircraft, and even just better trained soldiers. One on one the russians were no match for them- but they adapted to their strengths and literally just threw comrades into the german lines until they broke.

Technology is NEVER a substitute for a good old fashioned horde.
Despite their cloning (which seems to even be debatable in its legality) the GE wouldn't be able to catch up to the Imperiums wartime stock of men and would simply be overwhelmed, plain and simple.

The Imperium all the way. They have psycic powers, along with other things like tanks. thee heaviest thing i've seen stormtroopers with is a grenade!!

Terminus wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:LOLOLOLOL.

Yeah, psyker powers aren' as limited as what's in the codexes. They can really do anything their imaginations can fathom.
"hey, that's an ugly picture of me in the yearbook, lemme just burn that out...*burns*. Awesome."

Probably the limits of space marine imagination.

Really? "Anything your imagination can fathom" and you stop at yearbook pictures?

well, yeah, or fix fake ray-ban sunglasses.




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Cantus wrote:Alright its freaking 2am here because I had to stay up and read the entire damn thread lol
I think theres just one clenching argument to be hammered home:

Any way you look at it, it all comes down to numbers. Even if the GE has better technology (which is still debatable- lasguns v blasters, titans v AT ATs, thick armor v shields, etc), you can't compete with the IoMs numbers.
TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS of guardsmen, with BILLIONS recruited from single planets every year, are out defending the imperium, ready to be called upon to throw themselves at the xenos threat.
I point to real life battles such as stalingrad and the entire eastern front of WW2. Germany had FAR superior machine guns, tanks, aircraft, and even just better trained soldiers. One on one the russians were no match for them- but they adapted to their strengths and literally just threw comrades into the german lines until they broke.

Technology is NEVER a substitute for a good old fashioned horde.
Despite their cloning (which seems to even be debatable in its legality) the GE wouldn't be able to catch up to the Imperiums wartime stock of men and would simply be overwhelmed, plain and simple.

Eh, this is false. They have less than 100 billion guardsmen. Not to mention they never use more than a couple million in battles. But still, I see your point and I agree wholeheartedly.

ALSO: I've watched that video at least Ive times in the last minute. I have no idea why.

One point that seems to have been completely ignored is that the Imperium has far more than the Space Marines, IG, Fleet and Adeptus Mecanicus at its disposal. Consider, for example, the Death Cult Assassins, who's agility is likely similar to that of a Jedi/Sith/Emperor's Hand etc. Given the equipment they have, I think that roughly three or four of them would be able to take down most individual force-users.

I think a number of arguments here could be settled by a simple comparison of abilities. I think to start that Stormtroopers should have the same profile as Imperial Guardsmen but with an armor save of 4+ rather than 5+ . Their weapons, however, would be different (all have tac-knives, which count as an extra close combat weapon). A typical pistol (wielded by imperial officers) would have a profile like this:
Range 12" S-4 AP-5 Pistol
For a blaster:
Range 24" S-4 AP-5 Assault 1
a blaster rifle (basically a blaster with an expanded magazine and stock):
Range "30 S-4 AP-5 Assault 2. "Jams" (does not fire) for both shots on a roll of a 1 for either

A Lightsaber would probably be a power weapon with the rending special rule, with a typical wielder having this profile:
WS BS S T I A W Ld. Sv.
Force User: 5 3 3 3 5 3 1 9 5+ (invulnerable)
Special Rules: Immune to Instant Death, "Force"
May Take Any of the Following Force Powers Based on Alignment (I'll just post the dark side for now):

Dark Side Powers
Force Choke (shooting): Always wounds on a 4+, Ignores Armor Saves
Force Lighting (shooting, template): S-3, AP-5
Force Jump (shooting/assault): Allows the Unit to assault up to 3" after running
Force Push (shooting, blast, range 6 inches, no scatter): All units hit are pushed back D3 and go to ground on a 4+ (no armor/invulnerable saves allowed against this attack; does not affect monsters)


Now for Imperial Officers:
WS: 3 BS: 4 S: 3 T:3 I:3 A: 1 Ld: 9 Sv: 4+
Equipment: Blaster Pistol, Tac-Knife
Special Rules: Begin attached to a squad, but act as independent characters if the rest of the squad is destroyed.

I hope these profiles help to offer some concrete comparisons.

....And this is a five month necromancy. To be honest that is the WORST I have ever seen.

Haha oh wow..