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Squat mechanics?

If the emporer died, most likely psykers whould be able to feel it. kinda like Yoda in starwars 3. All chaos forces would launch attacks on anything imperial.

forces would break up in the confusion. Space marine chapters being forced to form there own "kingdoms". Some abandon the codex teachings and recruit as many as possible. Legions would be reformed. and new great crusaides would begin.

the emporers pysker mind/soul should be able to continue holding back the Choas gods from a complete take over but thier would be no more empire of man.

Inquisitors would become piratical villians. Taking what they can to continue their idea of order and killing the rest.

multiple forces would decend on earth in an attempt to take control. the astronomican would still be used as much as possible in the hopes that it could be used on its own. without the emperor sthe high lords would try to control the empire togeather, and most likly sending assassins to eachother.

earth would be a new armagedon. a jewel in a den of theives. A never ending war in the hope of who ever holds earth, holds the galaxy.


so basically nothing would change.

But the emporer can never die, if he is killed it won't matter, he has a body in the warp as the chaos gods do so what if he isn't alive.
if he wanted to stay alive however on the slowly breaking throne why doesn't he send back techpriest through the warp under his guidance to the dark age of technology to re learn how to make stuff proper, they can then return to the dying emporer on the dying throne and fix it. duh.
Waro travel can put you anywhere in time.
so if he was even killed and vanished wrp travel could be used to go back and save but then if they go back and save him then they don't need t go back and save him so then they don't go save him but hten it will start again. But theyed figure that out time travel sucks, but is possible with he warp.



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why doesn't he then use his body in the warp to send some tech priest or those of the like back to the dark age of power and learn how to build stuff properly.
When coming out of the warp you can end up at an time in time. So with the emporers guidence they could learn to save him.

Ryan Hyde wrote:
Waro travel can put you anywhere in time.
so if he was even killed and vanished wrp travel could be used to go back and save but then if they go back and save him then they don't need t go back and save him so then they don't go save him but hten it will start again. But theyed figure that out time travel sucks, but is possible with he warp.

No, warp travel cannot put you anywhere in time. It can send you forward (as in time flows slower in the warp so 10 years can/could correspond with 10,000 in the realspace), but it cannot be quantified, and it is never reliable, you never know where you'll end.

Also, although it is said that is possible, going backward in time via warp has never been encountered. And most definitely the Imperium doesn't have the technology to send someone backward in time. If they had, they would've done it already

And on-topic: should the Emperor die, i think the first impulse from the High Lords would be to try and keep a secret. As it wouldn't work, they would try usual propaganda, something like "Yes, he's dead, but he'll be back everyone stay calm, do your usual activities and DO NOT start rebellions against the Imperium. The Inquisition is watching you". Seeing that it doesn't work and the Imperium goes down the drain faster than it did in the last 10,000 years or so, it's civil war, bloodshed, and every man for himself. That and the fact that there's no Astronomicon, no warp travel => worlds isolated => Space Marines try and survive with what they have, but it's a losing battle. All humans die. Chaos wins by check-mate

Read "The Death of the Emperor" on one of the forums here. it's cracking read.

Personally I think when the Emperor dies (the Golden Throne stops working) the Primarchs (Guilliman, El'Johnson, Vulkan and Russ) will return.

I've read it. I liked it.

However, you can speculate a lot on what would happen if the Emperor got killed. Possibilities are infinite, and GW will never do such a thing as killing the Emperor. So, no story about it :(

So the idea of the Emperor dieing shouting MARIO TIME and going through a crazy series of jumps to stomp the Chaos Gods all set to high tempo Austrian Music is a no goer then?

Corennus wrote:Read "The Death of the Emperor" on one of the forums here. it's cracking read.

Personally I think when the Emperor dies (the Golden Throne stops working) the Primarchs (Guilliman, El'Johnson, Vulkan and Russ) will return.

you forgot the Khan... lol

Hmm... What if Cypher is actually supposed to be the replacement body for the Emporers essense?

Also, although it is said that is possible, going backward in time via warp has never been encountered.
Emphasis mine.

Codex: Orks says otherwise.

cadbren wrote:Squat mechanics?

"The Squats have advanced our cause considerably over the millennia. On no other group of worlds has so much Dark Age technology survived, nor so much expertise been preserved." Morgin Harad, Adeptus Mechanicus

Just sayin....

Lord-Loss wrote:I don't think any of your theories are realistic. No one knows where the Chaos Gods came from, it's very unlikely that they can be made from a human even if he has crazy awesome powers.

We know where Slaanesh came from. It was all the Eldars fault. Those wacky hedonists.

Codex orks does mention that the warp can spew you out before you entered it. based on this logic the emporer and his armies can always save the emporer, but that they do it on purpose is maybe not so belivable, its a one in a let's just say a big number thats no a million.

Hm, as i never was interested in Orks, i've never read the Codex, so didn't know about that, i only recall reading somewhere (Lexicanum i think) that backward warp time travel has never been encountered. My bad

I think if the emperor did die like some said a whole lot of stuff would kick off. Civil war, Lords of Terra vying to become a new emperor, The Void dragon wakes up and causes holy hell on mars, Seditionists, cults, Breakaway factions. It'd be fun times. And even more grimdarkness for all.

Always look on the bright side of life.....

Corennus wrote:Always look on the bright side of life.....

NEVER!!

S_P

helgrenze wrote:Hmm... Anyone seen the movie Dogma? The plot depended on the idea that 'god' was trapped in an unconscious body kept alive by machines..... Sound familiar?

Stop the machines and that body dies.... and 'god' is free.

I think Cyphers job is to find a way to stop the machine and free the Emperor from the trap of his decaying body.

For the record, that was an awesome movie.

Anyway, if the Emperor dies, which he won't for a looooong long time at the rate of story progression GW is at, then it will either end up happier and lighter, or grimmer and darker.

Lighter, the Emperor becomes a god, all benevolent and such, and humanity becomes super powerful, and wins the galaxy. I cite the second soul drinkers book for a human god, as the was said to have unsettled the lords of the warp, what with him being very close to ascending to their level with the weight of the praise he was getting.

Darker, humanity dies. One massive slog between Orks, Necrons and Tyranids. Orks may drop out sooner than the other two, however. Eldar are too few to mass an army to defend with when the full attentions of the armies are turned on them, Tau are too small to mount an effecive resisitance against a full hive fleet or necron attack, Chaos rely on humanity for practically all of their followers, and will soon slow to an almost halt with worship. Tyranids will eventually run out of biomass, as the necrons will scourge it all after their victories, and they will be able to act out all their plans.

At least, this is what I theorise. I'm probably waaaaaay off the mark!

If you cant warp travel without the astronomican, then how the heck did they do it in the "Dark age of technology"?!

That's why I think that the assumption "If the emperor is dead then there can be no warp travel" is flawed.

Melissia wrote:

Also, although it is said that is possible, going backward in time via warp has never been encountered.
Emphasis mine.

Codex: Orks says otherwise.

?

DEUS VULT wrote: ...with each fragment representing a different aspect (like a pantheon of gods) so you'll see Emperor the Healer, Emperor the Warrior, Emperor the Scholar, Emperor the Premature Masturbator (obscure reference?)...

In theory.

"You know the Romans have a god for almost everything, except premature ejaculation, but I hear thats coming quickly" Ah how I love Mel Brooks!

Scorpionov wrote:The truth is:
The necrons kill the emporer with a TableSpoon!!!!!

Tablespoon...death...must...resist...CAN'T!

Melissia wrote:

Also, although it is said that is possible, going backward in time via warp has never been encountered.
Emphasis mine.

Codex: Orks says otherwise.

I'm an Ork player, and have not seen that anywhere in the codex at all.....

OMG spoon death is HILAIOUS

If the emperor die's every one's screwed... Chaos would take over the univers and destroy realety ...

If the emperor die's every one's screwed... Chaos would take over the universe and destroy reality

Yes and then chaos dies with no emotion to power them lol...........................

Thaanos wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Also, although it is said that is possible, going backward in time via warp has never been encountered.
Emphasis mine.

Codex: Orks says otherwise.

I'm an Ork player, and have not seen that anywhere in the codex at all.....

Page 29:

978.M41 - The Lost Waaagh!

The Ork Warlord Grizgutz, a noted kleptomaniac, launches his Waaagh! into the Morloq system. Whilst using warp-travel to reach their quarry, Grisgutz and his warband unwittingly travel through time and emerge from the shifting chaos of the Empyrean shortly before they set off. Grizgutz hunts down and kills his doppelganger, reasoning that this way he can have a spare of his favourite gun. The resultant confusion stops the Waaagh! in its tracks.

Generalstoner wrote:Well, if the Emperor dies the whole galaxy is SOL considering the entire AStronomicon goes with him. Warp travel would be near impossible.

WTF? People always say gak like this. How the hell would they travel during the "dark" age of technology then? They don't need the astronomiwotsit they just think they do because they are ignorant.

helgrenze wrote:Hmm... Anyone seen the movie Dogma? The plot depended on the idea that 'god' was trapped in an unconscious body kept alive by machines..... Sound familiar?

Stop the machines and that body dies.... and 'god' is free.

I think Cyphers job is to find a way to stop the machine and free the Emperor from the trap of his decaying body.

Freaky, my own SM chapter is built on this principle...

...I advise you to stop stealing thoughts out of my head, there are some... unpleasent ones in there

I think if the Emperor were to die then he would fully become a god as has been hinted at i the background. I remember the end of novel Eye of Terror a Greater Demon of Tzeentch eludes to the fact that the Emperor is more powerful than anyone has dreamed and that by keeping him hooked up to the Golden Throne humans are playing into Chaos's hands. Just my 2 cents.