Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
2010/07/06 01:36:20
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2010/07/06 01:39:34
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2010/07/06 01:42:54
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2010/07/06 01:59:46
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
Maybe I could shoot the horse faced girls so that nobody has to suffer what might be UNDER those white tshirts.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2010/07/06 02:12:49
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
Fateweaver wrote:No worries Fitzz. We'd crush them again.
Pahahaha! You didn't 'crush' us last time! Is that how it's taught over there?
The war was costing more than it was worth - the West Indies' economic output was many times greater than the 13 colonies and we kept them (in fact I think we may have even ADDED some...). Public opinion turned against the war, and after Cornwallis fethed himself the will to carry on was just gone. The British Empire could have quite comfortably dispatched another 250,000 regulars and burned every single city to the ground, but they would have been Brits they were slaughtering. That was never going to happen. Don't believe me? Look at how the Empire put down mutinies in India!
Oh, and Paul Revere never said 'The British are coming!'. He was British.
Every time I go to the first page I get a malware warning about the source link for one of the pictures posted. Dunno if thats been discussed, I'm not going back to page 1.
----------------
Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
2010/07/06 03:39:14
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
Albatross wrote:Did the French turn up to outflank them?
The french probably hid in the pool with a small flotation device with firecrackers on it just in case the british neighbors thought it was safe to jump in there.
Anyways, Happy Belated 4th of July.
Saw in the news today that some guy in NY blew his hand off using a firecracker, that's extra patriotic.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/07/06 03:39:46
2010/07/06 15:38:48
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
Asherian Command wrote:I launched Fireworks with my friends and we shot them at our neighbors. And not only that but we also had C4 fire works which glow bright. Roman Candle wars are fun too.
Ah yes. This example is why I love it when God selects the random idiot out of millions of random idiots to die next. Makes for a good read in the paper.
KC. Not sure we are related but at least we both know how to celebrate our freedom.
I agree on both those parts
2010/07/06 16:25:45
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
Albatross wrote:The war was costing more than it was worth - the West Indies' economic output was many times greater than the 13 colonies and we kept them (in fact I think we may have even ADDED some...). Public opinion turned against the war, and after Cornwallis fethed himself the will to carry on was just gone. The British Empire could have quite comfortably dispatched another 250,000 regulars and burned every single city to the ground, but they would have been Brits they were slaughtering. That was never going to happen. Don't believe me? Look at how the Empire put down mutinies in India!
Well, yeah, costing the other guy more troops than he's willing to lose, so he gives up and goes home is how you win. Losing more troops than it's worth to you is called losing.
All that sounds a lot like when the US posters here try to claim the US didn't really lose Vietnam.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2010/07/06 16:31:07
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
ShumaGorath wrote:Every time I go to the first page I get a malware warning about the source link for one of the pictures posted. Dunno if thats been discussed, I'm not going back to page 1.
Page 1 also has NSFW images. Thankfully, someone put up the NSFW text in the title of the thread.
DA:70S+G+M+B++I++Pw40k08+D++A++/fWD-R+T(M)DM+
2010/07/06 16:32:42
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
Albatross wrote:The war was costing more than it was worth - the West Indies' economic output was many times greater than the 13 colonies and we kept them (in fact I think we may have even ADDED some...). Public opinion turned against the war, and after Cornwallis fethed himself the will to carry on was just gone. The British Empire could have quite comfortably dispatched another 250,000 regulars and burned every single city to the ground, but they would have been Brits they were slaughtering. That was never going to happen. Don't believe me? Look at how the Empire put down mutinies in India!
Well, yeah, costing the other guy more troops than he's willing to lose, so he gives up and goes home is how you win. Losing more troops than it's worth to you is called losing.
All that sounds a lot like when the US posters here try to claim the US didn't really lose Vietnam.
Except of course, we made a large portion of their army actually surrender.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2010/07/06 16:43:44
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!! (NSFW, maybe)
Short answer: We cost the King George more than he was willing to spend in $$$ and men at that time. Plain and simple.
So, he gave up and focused on India, which is where his Bottom Bitch, at that time. As any pimp will tell you, your Bottom Bitch brings in the most bling.
DA:70S+G+M+B++I++Pw40k08+D++A++/fWD-R+T(M)DM+
2010/07/06 23:47:59
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
Albatross wrote:The war was costing more than it was worth - the West Indies' economic output was many times greater than the 13 colonies and we kept them (in fact I think we may have even ADDED some...). Public opinion turned against the war, and after Cornwallis fethed himself the will to carry on was just gone. The British Empire could have quite comfortably dispatched another 250,000 regulars and burned every single city to the ground, but they would have been Brits they were slaughtering. That was never going to happen. Don't believe me? Look at how the Empire put down mutinies in India!
Well, yeah, costing the other guy more troops than he's willing to lose, so he gives up and goes home is how you win. Losing more troops than it's worth to you is called losing.
All that sounds a lot like when the US posters here try to claim the US didn't really lose Vietnam.
We lost. I know we lost. WELOSTWELOSTWELOSTWELOSTWELOST!
Better?
The thing I took issue with was Fateweaver saying they 'crushed' us. That's not an accurate assessment of what actually happened. Neither do I think that the US army was 'crushed' in the Vietnam War, for what it's worth. They just lost.
Frazzled wrote:Except of course, we made a large portion of their army actually surrender.
...and the VC/NVA made an even larger portion of your army actually DIE. What's your point?
I'm not really sure why this thread went from pics of girls to an argument over the American Revolution. Can we try to not get into a flame war over it though? It happened awhile ago and I don't think comparing Vietnam to it is responsible either. A lot of men and women died in both conflicts and we should honour their sacrifices more than whatever ideal was fought for at the time.
There is no art more beautiful or diverse than the art of Death.
3000 pts Word Bearers
3500 pts Tanith 1st & Only
UC
2010/07/07 00:22:28
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!! (NSFW, maybe)
Oh Albatross, they killed our guys and we killed a lot more of them, but we won. After all, we can import foreign media and don't think our leader is a god even though he can't ride most rollercoasters.
But, that's how america celebrates its freedom. We use the first amendment to argue over any little thing.
2010/07/07 00:54:23
Subject: Re:Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!! (NSFW, maybe)
halonachos wrote:Oh Albatross, they killed our guys and we killed a lot more of them, but we won. After all, we can import foreign media and don't think our leader is a god even though he can't ride most rollercoasters.
But, that's how america celebrates its freedom. We use the first amendment to argue over any little thing.
vietnam does not equal korea
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
2010/07/07 04:12:15
Subject: Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!!
Fateweaver wrote:No worries Fitzz. We'd crush them again.
Pahahaha! You didn't 'crush' us last time! Is that how it's taught over there?
The war was costing more than it was worth - the West Indies' economic output was many times greater than the 13 colonies and we kept them (in fact I think we may have even ADDED some...). Public opinion turned against the war, and after Cornwallis fethed himself the will to carry on was just gone. The British Empire could have quite comfortably dispatched another 250,000 regulars and burned every single city to the ground, but they would have been Brits they were slaughtering. That was never going to happen. Don't believe me? Look at how the Empire put down mutinies in India!
Oh, and Paul Revere never said 'The British are coming!'. He was British.
Bah, I still like Roy Obanans version: "Well Jon, The British had the worlds finest army, we had a bunch of farmers with pitchforks and we beat em like a drum."
I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
2010/07/07 05:44:16
Subject: Re:Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!! (NSFW, maybe)
No. It was a stalemate. Neither side wanted to continue, so they signed the Treaty of Ghent which pretty much set things back as they were, prior to the war. The only real losers were the Indians.
2010/07/07 07:23:58
Subject: Re:Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!! (NSFW, maybe)
Um.. Well then... Watch: Saving Private Ryan, Band Of Brothers, Battle of the Bulge, Patton, this list can get longer... and I am sure Dakkaites will help me here..
There is no art more beautiful or diverse than the art of Death.
3000 pts Word Bearers
3500 pts Tanith 1st & Only
UC
2010/07/07 07:43:04
Subject: Re:Happy Fourth of July all Citizens of USA!! (NSFW, maybe)
thegrav wrote:Hitler was not defeated by the Russians and British...They had a "little" help... You need to review your history there.
Nah, it was pretty much the Russians. I know you're referring to the US as the help but realistically the Russkies would've steamrolled the Krauts just fine without our 'little' help.