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Just Dave wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Night Lords.
Admittedly, many of the traitor legions are cool - eg. Alpha Legion, Emperors Children (whom I collect)

But Night Lords win it for me, as, in my eyes, Konrad Kurze was the best Primarch (Magnus was arrogant and deluded, I have a bit of sympathy, but not much). He fought for the Emperor and had one of the coolest looking and most effective Legions.
The Great Crusade is all about uniting humanity and through terror tactics, the Night Lords preserved human life.

In my opinion, almost all the Primarchs had flaws, but only Kurze seemed to accept his and therefore allowed himself to be killed. Seeing vindication and justice in his death.

He had betrayed the Imperium and his father and he let M'Shen kill him as justice for his wrongs, however, he knew he had done some rights as his death would cripple the Legion etc.

So yeah, Konrad Kurze = AWESOME = Favourite Traitor Legion.

Sounds like they've retconned him to be more interesting. Which is find by me. Is Kurze actually in Soul Hunter?

hmmm. Is that why he let himself be killed? I seem to recall him saying something about how this proved his point. Not much repentance there and I don't really know what he meant by that.

If you haven't you SOOOOOOOO have to read Soul Hunter - it really helps describe Kurze - and yeah, he proved his point. It's very complicated tbh, but I think that he united his planet and completely stopped Lawlessness, helped the Imperium and led a very effective Legion. However, his Legion became corrupt and his planet immoral and his Legion never received the recognition it deserved (Gulliman = gakker) and IIRC he saw the flaws within the Imperium and the Great Crusade (like the Alpha Legion did). As well as being plagued by his visions/foresight.

I think, and IIRC, he therefore destroyed his homeworld due to it's corruption and therefore stopped the rot of his Legion at it's source (recruiting criminals) and allowed himself to be killed as he had committed injustices and that through his death he was vindicated as it proved he was right and it would cripple his Legion. I think...

It's very complicated!

Sounds like they've retconned him to be more interesting. Which is fine by me. Is Kurze actually in Soul Hunter?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Night Lords.
Admittedly, many of the traitor legions are cool - eg. Alpha Legion, Emperors Children (whom I collect)

But Night Lords win it for me, as, in my eyes, Konrad Kurze was the best Primarch (Magnus was arrogant and deluded, I have a bit of sympathy, but not much). He fought for the Emperor and had one of the coolest looking and most effective Legions.
The Great Crusade is all about uniting humanity and through terror tactics, the Night Lords preserved human life.

In my opinion, almost all the Primarchs had flaws, but only Kurze seemed to accept his and therefore allowed himself to be killed. Seeing vindication and justice in his death.

He had betrayed the Imperium and his father and he let M'Shen kill him as justice for his wrongs, however, he knew he had done some rights as his death would cripple the Legion etc.

So yeah, Konrad Kurze = AWESOME = Favourite Traitor Legion.

Sounds like they've retconned him to be more interesting. Which is find by me. Is Kurze actually in Soul Hunter?

hmmm. Is that why he let himself be killed? I seem to recall him saying something about how this proved his point. Not much repentance there and I don't really know what he meant by that.

If you haven't you SOOOOOOOO have to read Soul Hunter - it really helps describe Kurze - and yeah, he proved his point. It's very complicated tbh, but I think that he united his planet and completely stopped Lawlessness, helped the Imperium and led a very effective Legion. However, his Legion became corrupt and his planet immoral and his Legion never received the recognition it deserved (Gulliman = gakker) and IIRC he saw the flaws within the Imperium and the Great Crusade (like the Alpha Legion did). As well as being plagued by his visions/foresight.

I think, and IIRC, he therefore destroyed his homeworld due to it's corruption and therefore stopped the rot of his Legion at it's source (recruiting criminals) and allowed himself to be killed as he had committed injustices and that through his death he was vindicated as it proved he was right and it would cripple his Legion. I think...

It's very complicated!

Sounds like they've retconned him to be more interesting. Which is fine by me. Is Kurze actually in Soul Hunter?

All of these points are completely moot as he is space batman

Ennkay wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Night Lords.
Admittedly, many of the traitor legions are cool - eg. Alpha Legion, Emperors Children (whom I collect)

But Night Lords win it for me, as, in my eyes, Konrad Kurze was the best Primarch (Magnus was arrogant and deluded, I have a bit of sympathy, but not much). He fought for the Emperor and had one of the coolest looking and most effective Legions.
The Great Crusade is all about uniting humanity and through terror tactics, the Night Lords preserved human life.

In my opinion, almost all the Primarchs had flaws, but only Kurze seemed to accept his and therefore allowed himself to be killed. Seeing vindication and justice in his death.

He had betrayed the Imperium and his father and he let M'Shen kill him as justice for his wrongs, however, he knew he had done some rights as his death would cripple the Legion etc.

So yeah, Konrad Kurze = AWESOME = Favourite Traitor Legion.

Sounds like they've retconned him to be more interesting. Which is find by me. Is Kurze actually in Soul Hunter?

hmmm. Is that why he let himself be killed? I seem to recall him saying something about how this proved his point. Not much repentance there and I don't really know what he meant by that.

If you haven't you SOOOOOOOO have to read Soul Hunter - it really helps describe Kurze - and yeah, he proved his point. It's very complicated tbh, but I think that he united his planet and completely stopped Lawlessness, helped the Imperium and led a very effective Legion. However, his Legion became corrupt and his planet immoral and his Legion never received the recognition it deserved (Gulliman = gakker) and IIRC he saw the flaws within the Imperium and the Great Crusade (like the Alpha Legion did). As well as being plagued by his visions/foresight.

I think, and IIRC, he therefore destroyed his homeworld due to it's corruption and therefore stopped the rot of his Legion at it's source (recruiting criminals) and allowed himself to be killed as he had committed injustices and that through his death he was vindicated as it proved he was right and it would cripple his Legion. I think...

It's very complicated!

Sounds like they've retconned him to be more interesting. Which is fine by me. Is Kurze actually in Soul Hunter?

All of these points are completely moot as he is space batman

Yes and Yes.

Well kind of. He is a Space Batman and he is kind of in Soul Hunter, more of a flash back rather than an actual character but it provides A LOT of info about him and there are several flashbacks so...

I was torn between Thousand Sons & Alpha Legions, the two 'highbrow' traitor legions appeal to me. I was tempted by Iron Warriors too, because, as someone pointed out, they can be taken seriously, they were well characterised in Storm of Iron & I too am a fan of the Hazard Stripes.

I picked Thousand Sons in the end.

Its a toss up for me between the Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers, and Alpha Legion.

I play DG, I love the TSon fluff/look, the WB are bada** evil mofos, and the Alpha Legion are just damn cool.

Well.... suffice it to say I voted for one of those.

Word Bearers, only chaos troops who realize that their lives after serving for 10 millenia are more valuable than any daemon pawn with the exception of the greater daemons. Not to mention they were the first real traitor marines and pretty much started the whole heresy with erebus manipulating horus. Death Guard is a close second tho

Death Guard because I like how they are portrayed in HH books. No fancey purple or yellow colour scemes for them. They were unpainted, unadorned plate. They drink straight up poison to show how tough they are. I can't remember which Luna Wolf said it but his exact words were "Death Guard are hard to kill". Which apparently is a common refrain amongst the Legion during the crusade. I like how they had that rep even before the Fall to Nurgle.

Just Dave wrote:Night Lords.
Admittedly, many of the traitor legions are cool - eg. Alpha Legion, Emperors Children (whom I collect)

But Night Lords win it for me, as, in my eyes, Konrad Kurze was the best Primarch (Magnus was arrogant and deluded, I have a bit of sympathy, but not much). He fought for the Emperor and had one of the coolest looking and most effective Legions.
The Great Crusade is all about uniting humanity and through terror tactics, the Night Lords preserved human life.

In my opinion, almost all the Primarchs had flaws, but only Kurze seemed to accept his and therefore allowed himself to be killed. Seeing vindication and justice in his death.

He had betrayed the Imperium and his father and he let M'Shen kill him as justice for his wrongs, however, he knew he had done some rights as his death would cripple the Legion etc.

So yeah, Konrad Kurze = AWESOME = Favourite Traitor Legion.

The greatest achievement the devil ever achieved was to convince humanity he didn't exhist..... or in this case, the imperium that he died.

Death Guard becase there so hard to kill.

Thousand sons, because they were screwed over by the emperior

Angron wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Night Lords.
Admittedly, many of the traitor legions are cool - eg. Alpha Legion, Emperors Children (whom I collect)

But Night Lords win it for me, as, in my eyes, Konrad Kurze was the best Primarch (Magnus was arrogant and deluded, I have a bit of sympathy, but not much). He fought for the Emperor and had one of the coolest looking and most effective Legions.
The Great Crusade is all about uniting humanity and through terror tactics, the Night Lords preserved human life.

In my opinion, almost all the Primarchs had flaws, but only Kurze seemed to accept his and therefore allowed himself to be killed. Seeing vindication and justice in his death.

He had betrayed the Imperium and his father and he let M'Shen kill him as justice for his wrongs, however, he knew he had done some rights as his death would cripple the Legion etc.

So yeah, Konrad Kurze = AWESOME = Favourite Traitor Legion.

The greatest achievement the devil ever achieved was to convince humanity he didn't exhist..... or in this case, the imperium that he died.

Who?


(so that was just the head of a mannequin that M'Shen was running around with, 'ey?)

Iron Warriors, of course!

IRON WITHIN!!! IRON WITHOUT!!!

*ahem* sorry, old legion habits are hard to break.

*runs away before any commissars show up*

Thousand Sons hands down.

Psychic powers just lovem and the fluff simply amazing.

Ha! Nobody likes The Emperor's metrosexual Children.

I'm impressed with the love people are showing the Alpha Legion. It has become my favorite as well, as I pondered a backstory and tactics for my own CSMs. Their use of pawns is great, especially considering the sparcity of fluff regarding CSMs replenishing their ranks. It makes no sense for them to hurl their irreplaceable troops at the enemy when hordes of suckers and dupes could do the dying for them. Then a surgical strike FTW.

Emperor's Children, 'cause nothing says "I love you" more than children trying to kill their parents.

It's a three way tie for me. Alpha, Night hunters, or Thousand Sons- I just love all their backstoryies.

For the Sons and ALpha, since I am not a huge "lets all be devoured by Chaos!" fan. I like how they were tricked into betraying. Plus, cool color schemes.

Also, Emperors Children because they are so demented.

I never get how Alpha Legion became so popular.

Muwhahahaha! 1k sons definitely. They are basically Necrons that are slgihtly better mostly due to the fact they can be in rhinos.

Ennkay wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Night Lords.
Admittedly, many of the traitor legions are cool - eg. Alpha Legion, Emperors Children (whom I collect)

But Night Lords win it for me, as, in my eyes, Konrad Kurze was the best Primarch (Magnus was arrogant and deluded, I have a bit of sympathy, but not much). He fought for the Emperor and had one of the coolest looking and most effective Legions.
The Great Crusade is all about uniting humanity and through terror tactics, the Night Lords preserved human life.

In my opinion, almost all the Primarchs had flaws, but only Kurze seemed to accept his and therefore allowed himself to be killed. Seeing vindication and justice in his death.

He had betrayed the Imperium and his father and he let M'Shen kill him as justice for his wrongs, however, he knew he had done some rights as his death would cripple the Legion etc.

So yeah, Konrad Kurze = AWESOME = Favourite Traitor Legion.

Sounds like they've retconned him to be more interesting. Which is find by me. Is Kurze actually in Soul Hunter?

hmmm. Is that why he let himself be killed? I seem to recall him saying something about how this proved his point. Not much repentance there and I don't really know what he meant by that.

If you haven't you SOOOOOOOO have to read Soul Hunter - it really helps describe Kurze - and yeah, he proved his point. It's very complicated tbh, but I think that he united his planet and completely stopped Lawlessness, helped the Imperium and led a very effective Legion. However, his Legion became corrupt and his planet immoral and his Legion never received the recognition it deserved (Gulliman = gakker) and IIRC he saw the flaws within the Imperium and the Great Crusade (like the Alpha Legion did). As well as being plagued by his visions/foresight.

I think, and IIRC, he therefore destroyed his homeworld due to it's corruption and therefore stopped the rot of his Legion at it's source (recruiting criminals) and allowed himself to be killed as he had committed injustices and that through his death he was vindicated as it proved he was right and it would cripple his Legion. I think...

It's very complicated!

Sounds like they've retconned him to be more interesting. Which is fine by me. Is Kurze actually in Soul Hunter?

All of these points are completely moot as he is space batman

He's Space Marlon Brando from Apocalypse Now

Thousand Sons ftw....

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I never get how Alpha Legion became so popular.

Me neither!






OK, actually, because before LEGION, the INDEX ASTARTES article on them was something else!

And, as they were the 'great unknown', they could be anything that you wanted, mostly.

After LEGION, well, isn't it obvious?

Thousand Sons looks the dopest. They rock the retro Egyptian look and whoop ass while doing so

Alpha Legion or World Eaters .. scalpel or bludgeon? Tough call, but I went Alpha.

Iron Warriors. For several reasons, first among them being their own self reliance and belief that only the strong are fit to inherit the galaxy. Where other legions lose themselves in devotion to their God, the Iron Warriors stay true to Horus' vision of a galaxy unified under chaos. Second, who doesn't like the apocalyptic artilllery fire they dish out? and third, they're metal!!!

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Ennkay wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Night Lords.
Admittedly, many of the traitor legions are cool - eg. Alpha Legion, Emperors Children (whom I collect)

But Night Lords win it for me, as, in my eyes, Konrad Kurze was the best Primarch (Magnus was arrogant and deluded, I have a bit of sympathy, but not much). He fought for the Emperor and had one of the coolest looking and most effective Legions.
The Great Crusade is all about uniting humanity and through terror tactics, the Night Lords preserved human life.

In my opinion, almost all the Primarchs had flaws, but only Kurze seemed to accept his and therefore allowed himself to be killed. Seeing vindication and justice in his death.

He had betrayed the Imperium and his father and he let M'Shen kill him as justice for his wrongs, however, he knew he had done some rights as his death would cripple the Legion etc.

So yeah, Konrad Kurze = AWESOME = Favourite Traitor Legion.

Sounds like they've retconned him to be more interesting. Which is find by me. Is Kurze actually in Soul Hunter?

hmmm. Is that why he let himself be killed? I seem to recall him saying something about how this proved his point. Not much repentance there and I don't really know what he meant by that.

If you haven't you SOOOOOOOO have to read Soul Hunter - it really helps describe Kurze - and yeah, he proved his point. It's very complicated tbh, but I think that he united his planet and completely stopped Lawlessness, helped the Imperium and led a very effective Legion. However, his Legion became corrupt and his planet immoral and his Legion never received the recognition it deserved (Gulliman = gakker) and IIRC he saw the flaws within the Imperium and the Great Crusade (like the Alpha Legion did). As well as being plagued by his visions/foresight.

I think, and IIRC, he therefore destroyed his homeworld due to it's corruption and therefore stopped the rot of his Legion at it's source (recruiting criminals) and allowed himself to be killed as he had committed injustices and that through his death he was vindicated as it proved he was right and it would cripple his Legion. I think...

It's very complicated!

Sounds like they've retconned him to be more interesting. Which is fine by me. Is Kurze actually in Soul Hunter?

All of these points are completely moot as he is space batman

He's Space Marlon Brando from Apocalypse Now

I know that was just brought to my attention lately. And he gets killed by Space Martin Sheen!!

Thousand Sons definitely.

I really like Alpha legion but also the Death Guard. I guess the Death Guard stand out more for me because they have their own models. I wish Alpha legion had their own specific models.

I don't think there is a legion I don't like.

Iron warriors have been a long time favorite because of their vehicle-heavy makeup, the whole obliterator virus(as well as regular marines that can morph weapons), their knowledge of tech that rivals the mechanicum, their denial of the chaos powers (to some extent), self-reliance, etc.

Alpha legion/word bearers were also both high up on my list because of the older rules that allowed cultists/daemons/etc. Nothing beats throwing wave after wave of indoctrinated slaves/agents at your enemy until they've lost their will to fight or your real troops have flanked their position and taken them down without them knowing what hit them. I also just read the dark apostle novels by anthony reynolds which were excellent. Makes me wish we had some chaos worshipping priests in our rulebook instead of only sorcerers.

Death Guard have always been close to my heart. Mortarion's homeworld story was interesting and I've always loved the gas-mask look on my marines/cultists. It was also very different from my other favorite , iron warriors, because they had relatively low amounts of vehicles/transports and mostly foot-slogged. I've wanted to do a foot-slogging army for quite some time but it just isn't viable. As soon as the next edition of 40k comes out I'm hoping it is more friendly towards infantry instead of vehicles + melta.

Night lords were one of my friends first armies and quickly became another of my top armies I wanted to build. I have a bunch of the silly batwing helmets that I want to put on some csms sometime and build a detachment of night lord raptors to play in a kill team mission or something.

Some least favorites:

World eaters(simply because of their mindlessness and the fact that they split up because of kharn's idiocy). Blood for the blood god is well and good until you're cutting off your own leg to feed the need.

Emperor's children. Love the noise marines, love the sex drugs and rock n roll attitude, and I used to have some noise marines in my black legion army, but they've lost favor with me recently because of their poor use in-game and they just don't grab me as much as other legions.

My absolute least favorite are the thousand sons. God, how terrible are those helmets? Magnus is the most powerful psyker next to the emperor but he can't kill the mad dog Russ? They get kicked off their homeworld and turned into dust because Ahriman bungled a spell? What a group of screw ups and oddballs. Don't get me wrong, I love psykers, I love tzeentch, but the thousand sons are just awful in look and lore.