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I'd say if it's an obvious batrep, with arrows etc. then disable voting.

I would delete anything that is well out of focus or blurred. There is no point in pictures you can't see.

I wouldn't worry about switching off voting for battle reports. If the pictures are interesting why shouldn't people vote on them?

I would discourage the posting of multiple similar pictures of the same thing.

Those are the kind of thumbs down points. How can people be encouraged to vote more? Getting rid of the crap would help, I'm sure.

I like the turbo voting function and have done a fair few votes through it, but there are some issues. One is that you have a lot of stuff that you can't really vote on, and disabling these WIPs and unpainted things is a good idea. Secondly I thought that the turbo voter brings up things that are random, I don't know how the software works but what you actually get is a lot of stuff by the same person and typically the same model a dozen times in slightly different poses. Could people not do this? If your figure has several photos then create a montage of them as a single image as many do with the Dakka painting competitions where a single image is the limit. Unfortunately the turbo voter gets bogged down in images that are all the same or which are not suitable for voting.

Lastly I have to question allowing non members to vote. I'm sure we've seen sone abuse of the voting where an image got a vote as soon as posted giving it 10/10 which means it cones at the top of the list if you tell the gallery to sort by voting score. When the forum started listing who has voted on things, surprise surprise the first vote was by the person posting the image. It's rather sad really but now these first votes are being made anonymously by someone not logged in.

Still seems split on batreps. How about this, if the models are painted I'll leave voting on, if not disable?

How about these perenial annoyances?



Disable?
Delete?
Chastise?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Still seems split on batreps. How about this, if the models are painted I'll leave voting on, if not disable?

How about these perenial annoyances?

Disable?
Delete?
Chastise?

i'd say PM the user and disable voting. i'm fine with the painted batrep pic voting compromise. i'd also second the idea that only members should be able to vote. anyone can and should be able to look at the gallery but i agree that only someone who took the time to register should be allowed to vote (hell, it takes less than five minutes and is free!).

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Still seems split on batreps. How about this, if the models are painted I'll leave voting on, if not disable?

How about these perenial annoyances?



Disable?
Delete?
Chastise?

How about creating a Mod ability that would allow you to rotate pictures? Would that be possible?

I dunno, shouldn't be a mod's job to rotate images.

Anyway if you see something egregious that I don't catch in the approval process tag it with 'delete'.

I'll look from time to time and if I agree I'll delete and PM.

I know what you're saying about it shouldn't be a mod's job to rotate images, but if it's a decent image, wouldn't it be just as easy to click a button that says "rotate" as it would be to click the "delete" button?

On the other hand, it is a mod's job to delete images, and disable or enable voting, and discipline people who break the rules, and generally improve the quality of the gallery, so wouldn't at least having the ability to rotate the images kind of make sense? Now, if tons of people stop rotating their images correctly and just say "I don't need to rotate my images, the Mods will do it for me," then that would be worth a PM or two and deletion of the images if it continued, but if it's just an image here or there, it seems like it would be a better option than straight up deletion.

I'm just saying it might be worth having the option.

it might be worth it but kyoto is a mod, not the primary programer for the site and/or software they use to run this. while i agree that it would be cool if mods had the ability to do that (as well as add cool pew-pew explosion graphics to bolters on gallery pics!), he's asking us what he should do from the list he currently can.

warboss wrote:it might be worth it but kyoto is a mod, not the primary programer for the site and/or software they use to run this. while i agree that it would be cool if mods had the ability to do that (as well as add cool pew-pew explosion graphics to bolters on gallery pics!), he's asking us what he should do from the list he currently can.

Yes, I know dear Kyoto is not the primary programmer, as such I am not asking him to personally modify the Dakka Gallery software. Legoburner however, is the nuts and bolts guy and he regularly peruses the forums. I simply thought it might be worth suggesting the option to the public, to see if it was even possible. If there is no possible way to rotate an image without deleting it and re-uploading it, then images that are not rotated correctly should simply be deleted and the uploading member should be told to re-upload it with the proper rotation.

Delete images that are so blurry they are of absolutely no discernable use. Inappropriate, etc. that's all pretty obvious.

Deleting all blurry images seems unfair and discouraging. Not everyone is capable of taking a perfect picture, and they may be sufficient for their use in a WiP blog or article composed by a beginner. Dictating what is aesthetically acceptable on a community website for a hobby that caters to many ages and skill levels is a fair responsibility, and for this reason deleting images should not be taken lightly, unless they are clearly very old and out of use.

I am also strongly of the opinion that unpainted conversions should never have their voting disabled, except where they are very clearly WiP pictures that are not worth a 'Coolness' vote. Many of them still are, in my opinion.

The sideways images... yeah... I'm erring towards 'disable', but the truth is that these images will probably never float to the top with regards to the votes they manage to garner, and hence probably cause far fewer problems than the endless WiP fragments, blurry battle report photos and scanned articles that make up the bulk of the mess. Perhaps just adhere to the conventions you decide on for other images.

If people disable voting on their own images, I don't think they should be re-enabled. If they are absolutely beautiful, PM the user and ask if it was intentional.

If, and I presume you are, going through individual user's galleries-at-a-time rather than the 'random' voting system, perhaps disable voting on all repeated or very similar photos but the 'best' one. It wouldn't be hard or take very long to create a standard PM along the following lines when you would like the user to be advised that you have had to make decisions about their gallery page.

"Greetings Dakka Gallery User!

The friendly resident gallery moderation dynamo has recently sorted through your DakkaDakka gallery page. The purpose of this is to monitor for inappropriate content, as well as to disable voting for images which perhaps are not suitable for being rated against others.

Please check your gallery page to make sure that you are satisfied with any changes that have been made, and feel free to contact the gallery moderator if there are any concerns regarding actions taken.

If you are not yet aware, you can disable voting on your own images. You can also apply keywords which may help your image to appear in specific searches. Taking the time to do this saves the moderation team time and effort, and improves the gallery as a whole."

Are users restricted at all from re-enabling voting for images that a mod disables?

I fully agree with Kid Kyoto's proposals about the Gallery moderation.

Would the owners of modified galleries be informed by an automatic PM?

You've said that we can tag images with "delete" if we think that they are in need of deletion - does this apply to all images we see that we think fall under your rules?

Also, do you want people to tag images which should perhaps have voting disabled with "disable"?

As I said, would it be possible to have some sort of "alert mod" button with a drop down menu on images so that we can report images for deletion and vote disable?

Rather than relying on people tagging images manually?

IMO...

Blurry = Remove
Dark = Remove
Unpainted+Unconverted (that aren't older collectible models) = Remove
Off Topic = Remove
Battle Reports = Remove

You wouldn't go to an art gallery to look at blank canvas. Nor would you care to do so in goggle glasses that aren't yours.

Most of all IMO, the Gallery is not a file dump, but a place to show off finalised models to the masses and get their opinion via their vote. It's like Cool Mini or Not, but local to Dakka. The fact that it's filled with all matter of gak detracts from its value.

I don't think you can remove unpanited, unconverted minis, nor battle reports.

Unpainted and unconverted may be items for sale/swap, or shots for a PLog.

Battle reports are always better with pictures and battle reports themselves are a pretty big part of the site, so you should not remove battle report images.

So when Dakka first got into picture hosting, it was all about pictures for supporting posting on dakka and elsewhere. This whole concept of the votable gallery ala CMON came later.

I think the fundamental disconnect is most of the pictures on there were not meant to be in the gallery and weren't submitted for such. Moderating them as if they were is a mistake.

I think by default none of the pictures should go in the gallery unless the user specifies that it should be. i.e the gallery should be separate from the picture storage. Then you can moderate those pictures as you see fit.

Edit: If you think about what you are saying here it is going to be impossible to show a blurry picture in any context without hosting it somewhere else.


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In summary I don't really think you should be deleting anything on there.

I think there should be a "showcase" gallery for showing of completed finished and painted models with voting enabled. And a WIP gallery for everything else with the voting disabled.

Nothing mini related should be deleted though, unless its so blurry you can't see the photo.

In addition to that voting should also be sorted so when you vote you vote on the mini rather then the image, if you get what I mean ??? But I suppose for that to be anywhere near possible it would require users putting all images of a single mini in a gallery together.

Just my thoughts, some might share them some might not, I didn't bother reading the whole thread.

Edit:

And I know I've voted on alot more then 12 images whats up with that?

oni wrote:
Blurry = Remove
Dark = Disable Vote
Too Dark = Remove
Unpainted+Unconverted (that aren't older collectible models) = Disable Vote
Off Topic = Remove
Battle Reports = Disable Vote

Fixed that for you.

If there is nothing to vote on voting should be disabled, for exemple: blurry but ok pics, dark pictures, Batreps
On the last one you could vote coolness on some, but most aren't useful or interesting to look at, so disabling them seems like the way to go.
It is interesting to look at conversions and paintjobs, blurry pics and out context batrep on the other hand...

I really like the idea of a "delete" tag and I will use it whenever useful but a "vote-off" would be great too so not too many others would have to skip that image.


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Oh and what about those

Keep or disable vote, cause that's pretty damn useless.

Howard A Treesong wrote: If your figure has several photos then create a montage of them as a single image as many do with the Dakka painting competitions where a single image is the limit.

Could Dakka create a nice little template for us technothickos to use which would enable this?
I always feel a bit guilty uploading 4 seperate shots to show a 360 view of a model.
Batreps could group a turns worth of action into a single zoomable pic?
Is this possible???

Just choose the option "Closey related, and should be displayed grouped together" when uploading pictures, that is by far the simplest way to do it.

New question, what about on topic but NSFW?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/89482-captive%20girl%20%28front%29.html

or

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/102697-.html

thoughts?


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Arctik_Firangi wrote:

If, and I presume you are, going through individual user's galleries-at-a-time rather than the 'random' voting system, perhaps disable voting on all repeated or very similar photos but the 'best' one. It wouldn't be hard or take very long to create a standard PM along the following lines when you would like the user to be advised that you have had to make decisions about their gallery page.

Hmm, the redundant image issue seems like the next one to tackle. Esp when we're looking at WIP or just uninspriing paint jobs. And yeah people should make collages but let's face most do not and we should not make them. My feeling is we'd be going too far by telling people they can't get votes on more than one view.

Are users restricted at all from re-enabling voting for images that a mod disables?

I have no idea. I'll check.

Hyenajoe wrote:
Would the owners of modified galleries be informed by an automatic PM?

Lego says it's coming.

oni wrote:
Blurry = Remove
Dark = Remove
Unpainted+Unconverted (that aren't older collectible models) = Remove
Off Topic = Remove
Battle Reports = Remove

You wouldn't go to an art gallery to look at blank canvas. Nor would you care to do so in goggle glasses that aren't yours.

Most of all IMO, the Gallery is not a file dump, but a place to show off finalised models to the masses and get their opinion via their vote. It's like Cool Mini or Not, but local to Dakka. The fact that it's filled with all matter of gak detracts from its value.

The problem is it is both. Doing searches for best this week/month/all time will sort out the dross real fast.

poipo32 wrote:Oh and what about those

Keep or disable vote, cause that's pretty damn useless.

It could be for a sale, or to set the stage for a project. I just disable not delete.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
1)New question, what about on topic but NSFW?

2)Hmm, the redundant image issue seems like the next one to tackle. Esp when we're looking at WIP or just uninspriing paint jobs. And yeah people should make collages but let's face most do not and we should not make them. My feeling is we'd be going too far by telling people they can't get votes on more than one view.

1) i'd say keep it but tag it with NSFW. if it's relatively on topic and an ok quality picture, it shouldn't be fidled with by anyone except the OP. if dakka/yakface decide they don't want those types of pics, i'd say add a sentance to the uploading page that warns that NSFW/blurry/badly lit/*add whatever other categories might come up* will be deleted without notice.

2) i wouldn't delete or mod-vote disable them just for being duplicates. i agree that would be going to far. either dakka is a place where people can put their acceptable quality wargaming pics up or its not. at the risk of sounding like the "save the wargaming children!!!" poster earlier, i'd say delete or mod editing their voting priveledges would dissuade people from hosting their pics here.

in a nutshell, my vote is that as long as the pic is of acceptable technical quality and relatively on topic, it shouldn't be changed in any way. if it doesn't meet the previous criteria, it should be deleted. instead of changing voting priveledges on poster's photos, why not change the default to "voting off". if people really want voting on their images, they'll manually change it. if they don't care enough to check/notice, problem solved.

warboss wrote:in a nutshell, my vote is that as long as the pic is of acceptable technical quality and relatively on topic, it shouldn't be changed in any way. if it doesn't meet the previous criteria, it should be deleted. instead of changing voting priveledges on poster's photos, why not change the default to "voting off". if people really want voting on their images, they'll manually change it. if they don't care enough to check/notice, problem solved.

Well put. I'm going to go ahead and second this.

I'm okay with both the naked woman pictures. I wouldn't accept a picture showing pudenda or sex acts or obviously implied sex acts.

I would reject pictures of low technical quality including those which are on their side.
Pointless WIP that doesn't show any interesting WIP would be canned.
Pictures of piles of boxes or sprues can go. Clear pictures of sprues showing their content are useful if described properly.

I would allow six pictures of the same subject, meaning a figure or group of figures. Six should be enough to show all the sides and a close-up.

Defaulting to Voting Off seems a good idea.

Go to an art gallery, naked is art. However since there are prudes among us why not just give the gallery a mature setting. People can select it as they post the image and only those of us that have switch on 'view mature' can see them.

No objection to representations of naked flesh, but Tri may have it there with the 'mature' rating. However that does depend on uploader actually bothering to set it, or peeps tagging it. I also like the idea of default setting being voting disabled and having to change it if votes are wanted.
This is more software related than Mod related, but agree with Howard A Treesong about the 'unrandomness' of the random images. When looking for random images I soon get bored of seeing the same galleries keep popping up, and tend to flick back to the forums rather than continue voting, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

monkeytroll wrote:No objection to representations of naked flesh, but Tri may have it there with the 'mature' rating. However that does depend on uploader actually bothering to set it, or peeps tagging it. I also like the idea of default setting being voting disabled and having to change it if votes are wanted.

deviantart has a great way to make use people set it they have a tick box, mature and general, but you cannot post till you pick one.

I've already seen at least one instance where this type of image deletion and moderation has disrupted threads. You really need to think this through before continuing.

Post a link?