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Daemon Prince with wings and warptime is 155!

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Chosen need rhinos cause yes they may get a scout move, but do you really want them as a suicide squad? Or actually able to take out vehicle after vehicle...

Please be careful with wording.
Chosen do not get a scout move.

They can infiltrate or outflank.
They can outflank with the rhino.

Which is pretty good when you're tank hunting!!

I really want to infiltrate with them so they can cause havoc behind enemy lines, so while they deal with the chosen the other squads can advance!

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My two cents:

What does Lash give you? The ability to move an opponent's unit 2D6 anywhere except into impassable terrain or within 1" of your models. Also Pins them.
WOW. What a power! you can move a nasty unit of enemy away from your guys towards another unit that can kill them.
I'm sorry, in my opinion this is the most useless power i've ever heard of. You have two DAEMON PRINCES and they're mincing around moving enemy models when they should be putting psyker powers to use with Wind of Chaos or Doombolt before charging in and making use of of their awesome CC power.

If you're going to do an Emperor's Childrenesque army might I suggest:

Lucius the Eternal
160

Daemon Prince
Wings
Warptime
155

ELITES

Chosen Chas Squad (10 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
x 4 Melta Guns
Chaos Rhino w/ Combi-Weapon

275

TROOPS

Noise Marines (10 man)
x 9 Sonic Blasters
x 1 Blastmaster
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
335

Noise Marines (10 man)
x 9 Sonic Blasters
x 1 Blastmaster
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
335

Khorne Bezerkers (9 man)
Chaos Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
239

Lucius goes with Khorne Bezerkers.
Daemon Prince shielded by Noise Marine Rhinos until he can get into CC.
Noise Marines use Blastmaster to target vehicles at long range then sonics to rip infantry apart.


I like this list, its very practicile and can do lotsa nassty stuff.

2 DP Wings Warptime

5 chosen 5 meltas rhino extra armour

10 khorne zerkers rhino extra armour

10 csm 2 plasma guns 180 with rhino armour

10 csm 2 plasma guns 180 with rhino armour

1 vindi possession

1 vindi with twin linked bolter = 1500!

This is my new list can you all please tell me any improvements. Looking at the codex I am considering a list with 3 dreads 3 defilers and 2 dp's, troops filled with khorne zerkers, tell me what you think about both lists!

scoot132 wrote:I really want to infiltrate with them so they can cause havoc behind enemy lines, so while they deal with the chosen the other squads can advance!

Infiltrating is not good IMO.
Others advance because they wouldn't have been shot anyway by the shorter ranged guns.
Chosen are not hard to kill and are not optimal with any of their weapons with the strict rules on infiltrating.
You will never get into 2D6 range for meltas infiltrating 12" away.
You will never get doublt tap plasmas infiltrating 18" away.

Because there is nothing to support them for 1.5 turns they are a smear without really offering too much target saturation for small arms fire.


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I like this list, its very practicile and can do lotsa nassty stuff.

Did you have to quote...but not quote, the whole thing?
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@Scoot132's new list:

Dps are ok, still expensive for 1500.
Chosen: i do not recommend the meltas without rhinos.
I do not recommend the flamers without rhinos. Foot flamers do not work.
Zerkers are ok, but no fist champ?
CSM are ok.
Vindis are ok.

If i take out the chosen with flamers and use it to add a rhino with extra armour to the other one and buy extra armour for the other two rhinos and then buy possession for one of the vindies, ill edit this on the list. Sanctjud can you give me an example monstermash list like you said about before with the dreads???

2 Princes, Greater Daemon, 3 Dreads combat arms, 3 defilers combat arms, 2-3 rhino squads with champs and meltas.

That's the gist of it. I haven't use it, but it's a fun and somewhat gimmicky list. It's done well from what I've seen.

In the GT's what chaos lists did they use there that aren't lash?

Well if you're not using lash consider Breath of Chaos, or warptime and Wind of Chaos.

Mark of Tzeentch gives you a better Inv Save (4+) and you can take Warptime + Doombolt for only 185 points!

Wow that's expensive you think. But think about it. you have daemon princes that hit at Str 6, with a 4+ inv save against nasty stuff like Melta/plasma which beforehand you had a much slimmer chance of avoiding. Plus with Warptime you really make your 4 attacks hurt. And Doombolt gives you the ability to fire a few good bolts into enemies before charging.

So you could literally move 12" (wings), fire Doombolt, then assault your DP in to finish the job.

185 points eh....show me a better HQ unit for that amount of painbringing.

Not at 1500 points.
DP's like that need target saturation, you don't get the critical mass at 1500.

That's why I suggested skipping too much bling on them because they are not supported well enough.

Them being awesome is not really the issue there... marks and powers or not.

So what does everyone think about my new list up there? Any improvements because I edited it. Corennus, there are no footslogging units left in the army, and the dp's are kinda cheap with some awesome cc abilities. Sanctju I don't want the fist because there is barely any mech in the meta so there is no point spending 40 points on it!

Consider expanding army to 1750 points (tournament points)

If I do expand to 1750 points i would add another chosen flamer squad = 115 with a rhino = 150 and with the final 100 points spent on a twin linked lascannon on a predator but i would remove the twin linked bolter from the vindi.

In the codex on the army pages it says you can take side sponsons (plural). As having played only tyranids before with no tanks, does this mean you get two shots or one?

you get a sponson on each side of the tank. therefore you get 2 shots.

Thanks corennus for that clear up. So a predator with a lascannon and lascannon sponsors is a walking tank killer! That for only 170 points, I might include one, what do you think?

170 points is a lot of points for 3 lascannons scoot.

I run a Predator with autocannon and lascannon sponsons.
You get 2 Str7 AP3 shots with the autocannon (good for transports at AV11 or AV10) and 2 Str9 AP2 shots from the lascannon.

Having a t-L Lascannon is really just a luxury.

Cheers for that comment correneus, could you also use heavy bolter sponsons to get a mass infantry slaying Tank?

you certainly could. And it's the cheapest option there so you could have extra armour or daemonic possession on the predator for less than a vindicator with extra armour

Predator 70 points
Heavy Bolter Sponsons 30
Daemonic Posession 20

TOTAL: 120



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So your new and improved possible list at 1750:

HQ

Daemon Prince
Warptime
Wings

155

Daemon Prince
Warptime
Wings

155

ELITES

Chosen Melta Squad (5 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
x 5 Melta Guns
Rhino w/ Combi-Melta
Extra Armour

210

Chosen Melta Squad (5 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
x 5 Melta Guns
Rhino w/ Combi-Melta
Extra Armour

210

Two melta squads will make sure you can target vehicles more easily. especially if one squad gets blasted early on.
IoCG is so you don't fail morale before you get the armour meltad

TROOPS

Chaos Space Marines (10 man)
Icon of Tzeentch
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun

220

Chaos Space Marines (10 man)
Icon of Tzeentch
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun

220

IoTZ is for Inv Save. If you insist on footslogging you'll need it for blast weaponry.

Khorne Bezerkers (10 man)
Skull Champion w/ Power Fist
Plasma Pistol
Rhino w/ Combi-Flamer
310

HEAVY SUPPORT

Chaos Predator
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Daemonic Possession
Havoc Launcher

135

Chaos Predator
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Daemonic Possesion
Havoc Launcher

135

bah, ignore

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I really don't know whih to choose from ATM between the predator and the vindicators, any help anyone? Which is better at slaying space marines, as there are a lot of them where i play.

Vindicator. S10 AP1 large blast or 2-3 S9 AP2 shots. No brainer.

Well you have the points for Vindicators so like Mercer said its a good choice.

For versatility (eg Lascannons) go for Predator. for killing power go for vindicator.

Actually...I'd put it this way:

Vindi's are a generalist, but the big issues are closer range and wide side armor.
So more offense at the cost of defense.

AC/LC preds are furthur away so their defense is a tiny bit better, they are not as flexible, but they do Anti-Transports much better IMO...and in the world of Mech, this is an important factor.

Pred is better popping tanks. He wants to kill Marines so a Vindicator is better 8)

/shrug, get one of each, one-two punch on good days.
I wouldn't suggest counting on meltas to do the can opening, while vindi's on a (non AV14)transport is kind of a waste.

Should take takes in pairs for target prioritiy purposes and redundancy

2 preds or vindis, and 1 of the other.
Problem solved...ish.

And I did say "on good days" I do like pairs, but between the OP's 'need' for anti-MEQ and the lack of longer ranged can-openers, I proposed a compromise.

Personally, I'd just go with oblits As vindis and preds are too Spiky SMurfs