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HI, could everyone comment and review this list and give me tips to improve it! Open to any suggestions, does not have to include units from this list!

HQ Prince wings MoS Lash 155

Prince wings MoS lash 155

Troops 12 Zerkers 252

10 noise marines sonic blasters 250

10 noise marines sonic blasters 250

vindicator possession 145

vindicator possession 145

vindicator possession 145

Well...what is your meta like?
That heavily affects how well a lash list works.

Princes: just don't rely on them and you are good, but pricey at 1500.
Vindis, because that's just what a lash list needs, are ok, but something furthur reaching would be recommended.

Zerkers: no fist? That should be basic IMO.
No rhino? Lash can not replace their movment bonus with the rhino and the other things it can do.

Noise Marines: not great for points and (again) depends heavily on the meta. I really don't think they bring enough for 1/3 of the army.

What do you think I could do to improve this army in my opinion. my lash goal would be to lash untis into 24 inches of the vindis and noise amrines then set em alight, any other tips?

Well, the issue is, what is the scene like in your area?
Lots of mech? Semi-mech? Hordes-galore?
Lash is great, but it's been around and is kind of a gimmick with glaringly easy ways around.

But if the opponent is unprepared, or not of a high mech threshhold, then it can do well.

I would suggest meching up yourself if that is an option, if not, I would highly suggest the fist with the zerkers.
Then I think you really need the anti-tank (vindis are not enough) or some longer range fire power.

One of important issues for me is taking out transports early or at range. Other than the vindis'...who have the main role of shelling lashed stuff, are an expensive option for anti-transporting.

no one uses mech but lots of swarm armies so i think the vindies would do well. There is a lot of space marines armies.

What are other good CSM techniques without lash???

Rhino wall + mass special weapons + face beatings.
Chaos doesn't have too many fancy ways of winning other than grinding through and smashing face.

The list will do ok if there is no meching, but be very careful, allowing enemy vehicles essentially free reign is an unhealthy thing for MEQ's generally.

Don't forget to lash away from cover so the vindi shells are not wasted.

Can you give me an example list for a chaos mech army at 1500pts that would really help me! I dont fancy rhino wall though and i would like to include at least 1 DP in the army because ive preordered the amazing new plastic model!!!

Well, my 7 second list would be like:

DP, wings.
Dp, wings.
10 CSM, 2 Melta, IoCG, Champ+Fist, Rhino.
10 CSM, 2 Melta, IoCG, Champ+Fist, Rhino.
10 CSM, 2 Flamers, IoCG, Champ+Combi-Flamer, Rhino.
2 Oblits (or Vindi or Defiler).
2 Oblits (or Vindi or Defiler).

That's just off the top of my head.

As for your list, with a non-heavy mech meta, I think it will do fine, I highly recommend the fist on the Zerkers and you should be all set.
The lack of armor saturation for the vindi's makes them quite vulnerable as the side armor is quite wide, but the mass 24" mobile shooting should be good enough to do much damage against exposed infantry.

WOW! I just got my new plastic daemon prince today despite it being out 7th of august. Can someone tell me why this happened. It is an amazing model by the the way!

My two cents:

What does Lash give you? The ability to move an opponent's unit 2D6 anywhere except into impassable terrain or within 1" of your models. Also Pins them.
WOW. What a power! you can move a nasty unit of enemy away from your guys towards another unit that can kill them.
I'm sorry, in my opinion this is the most useless power i've ever heard of. You have two DAEMON PRINCES and they're mincing around moving enemy models when they should be putting psyker powers to use with Wind of Chaos or Doombolt before charging in and making use of of their awesome CC power.

If you're going to do an Emperor's Childrenesque army might I suggest:

Lucius the Eternal
160

Daemon Prince
Wings
Warptime
155

ELITES

Chosen Chas Squad (10 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
x 4 Melta Guns
Chaos Rhino w/ Combi-Weapon

275

TROOPS

Noise Marines (10 man)
x 9 Sonic Blasters
x 1 Blastmaster
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
335

Noise Marines (10 man)
x 9 Sonic Blasters
x 1 Blastmaster
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
335

Khorne Bezerkers (9 man)
Chaos Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher
239

Lucius goes with Khorne Bezerkers.
Daemon Prince shielded by Noise Marine Rhinos until he can get into CC.
Noise Marines use Blastmaster to target vehicles at long range then sonics to rip infantry apart.

@Corennus:
It's not useless because of what it can do.
It's not great any more because the general competitive builds are mech...which is a direct counter to it.

Lash does some pretty horrible things when the list comes together and the defenses against it are not employed.

As for your proposed list.

Do you really need a full squad of chosen?
Blastmaster mixed w/ sonics are a horrible black hole of points.
Zerkers are fine.

My issues....to use the NM at full potential it means not using the Rhino very much.
The Havoc launchers are cool at range, but this leaves only 1 rhino ACTUALLY approaching the opponent, which means Armor Saturation is non-existant and it wholey relies on Target Saturation...which is meh-ish, but not something to bank on.

I've thought of a new list can you guys think of anything wrong with it?

DP Wings Warptime MoS 160

DP Wings Warptime MoS 160

10 possessed MoK, champion, rhino extra armour 350

10 CSM 2 plasma guns 180

10 CSM 2 plasma guns 180

10 CSM 2 plasma guns 180

2 vindicators possession 290 = 1500 dot on

The possessed are not commonly used but with moK on charge they get 4 str 5 attacks each!

Careful with possessed, you'll get QQ'ers from all corners of Dakka.

I don't mind them so much. I think 10 is a bit much though.
In addition, where are the Rhinos for the other CSM's?
1 Rhino going at the enemy is not a good plan IMO, it will die and make the possessed look worse than they already get crap for being who they are.

DPs are ok, but again, they are pricey, I suggest only 1 with a power and leave the other one with just wings and maybe a mark.

Should I tak one DP away then spend the points on three rhinos with extra armour?

2 Princes are a wonderful thing.
But I think the rhinos are more important in this case.

I think what i should do is leave the prince, take off the possessed and add 5 terminators with pairs of lightning claws, that should leave me enough points the buy some rhinos.

BUT imo terminators are fragile because they are only toughness 4 for 40 points! What do you think about them

The issues with combat termies is mainly delivery and the abundance of combat units in the army list.

In this case you don't have too much dedicated combat units, but Deepstriking or walking is not a great plan for them.

I'd suggest Zerkers w/ fist in a rhino instead really...adds more bodies and another rhino for the opponent to worry about. In addition, they can do both counter charge or frontal assault.

In your opinion are chaos dreads good and what should i equip them with to be the most effective???

Chaos Dreads are ok if you already have armor saturation and no more hvy slots.
Dreads are a support unit...something you just can't count on. If you do run them, I'd equip them with some 'safe' weaponry, ie: 2 DCCWs or ML/DCCW. They are basically close infantry(in rhinos) support, while the weapons are deadly to the enemy and not so horrible on your own guys.

Note, they are seen more in a Chaos MonsterMash list with Dreads, 'Filers and Monstrous Creatures.

I think it's a little funny you switched to wanting possessed.

"on the charge" Zerkers get four str 5 hits as well! and they're troops that score. They don't have that cool random rule though.

Can I guess at your "template" of sorts?

"x2 DPs

x3 troop choice

x2 Vindicators with demo possession"

That is what you hope to use as your "core" correct?

I've never seen it done really, but why not try x2 vindi's regular. And x1 vindicator w/ demonic poss. Essentially you could choo-choo train them forward or something, with the possessed guy in front. It would save up a lot of points as well.

Too many Sonic Blasters. At most, give half of them Sonic Blasters, and use the ther half as body bags. They will be attracting lots of fire, so you don't want to lose 25pts every time someone dies.

Toying with all three of your ideas I have created a new list:

2 DP Wings Warptime

5 chosen 5 meltas

5 chosen 5 flamers

10 khorne zerkers champ with fist rhino extra armour

10 csm 2 plasma guns 180

10 csm 2 plasma guns 180

1 vindi with possession

Comment and rate this list please!!!

1 vindi with extra armour = 1500!

Yet again you are not taking any transports.

So how do you expect your chosen to get close enough to the enemy to melta their tanks without getting blown to bits?

Your CSM have a max range of 24". so an enemy can stand back with a few plasma cannons and missile launchers and blast you every shooting turn.

Your Khorne Zerkers have a Rhino. Which now will be the target of every high power lascannon style weapon on the board.

Your vindicators don't need possession or extra armour unless you're planning on moving them (why would you)

And your Daemon Princes are without cover from transports so they'll be caught in the open and melta'd/lascannoned to death.

PLEASE GET SOME TRANSPORTS

The chosen will be infiltrating 18 inches away from thier targets so 6 inch move 12 inch melta shot means they will be in range of thier transpoorts or tanks.

The vindies will quickly kill scoring units with cannons so need thier possession so they can still shoot if suffered a shaken or stunned result.

Thank you for your comment on transports, i think i'll drop the champ with fist on the zerker squad to get 1 rhino and drop the possession and the extra armour on the vindies to buy 1 more rhino for the other squad! With the 5 remaining points i shall spend it on a twin linked bolter on one of the vindies.

So you're treating your Chosen as suicide squads?

Good luck

Vindicators don't need possession. Just get them partially obscured so enemy can't get LOS so easily.

I once believed in the footsloggers army. Then I tried it out with normal Space Marines. If normal Space Marines need transports Chaos ones do even more so!

Any more tweaks or improvements anyone can give me to make this list even better??

Well here';s how i'd do your list:

HQ:

Daemon Prince
Wings
Warptime

145

Daemon Prince
Wings
Warptime

145

ELITES

Chosen Chaos Squad (5 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
x 5 Melta Guns
Rhino w/ Combi-Melta
195

Chosen Chaos Squad (5 man)
Aspiring Champion
Power Weapon
x 4 Flamers
Rhino w/ Combi-Flamer
185

TROOPS

CSM Squad (10 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher

240

CSM Squad (10 man)
Icon of Chaos Glory
Plasma Gun
Plasma Gun
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher

240

HEAVY SUPPORT

Chaos Vindicator

125

Chaos Vindicator

125

Chaos Predator
Heavy Bolter Sponsons

100

1500

Not enough troops for my likeing 3 at least

hmmmmm you want 3 troops? lose a Chosen squad.

Also there are some maths errors- dp with wings and warptime is 155 not 145 and tbh predators suck and the chosen don't need the rhino's if thier infiltrating!