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warboss wrote:

i vaguely remember him on dakka years ago but not his armies. as for the armies, the lava one is eye catching but barely meets the 3 color minimum standard that some tournies have; i see a base color and two others with no detail work (guns, faces, arms, etc). the lava look done properly looks awesome as evidenced by multiple eldar avatar paint jobs. as for the phantoms, there's a base color and a lighter dry brush over it with little to no basing. it's the minimum effort to call it painted (although he did spring for rock basing on the lava guys). i'm certainly not a golden demon painter but i also don't blog loudly and vulgarly about how i'm the be all and end all in the world of toy soldiers. people that do blog like that generally don't put much effort into their armies and he didn't disappoint.

Wow, some sour grapes there. Its much better done then dash's three ring circus paint job, looks wise. And probably whatever you have.


Anyway, Good job Dash and Steck.

carmachu wrote:Wow, some sour grapes there. Its much better done then dash's three ring circus paint job, looks wise.

Really? IMO it could be better if Stelek painted the guns and other details and based the models, but right now that "Space Wolves" army is gross.

MorbidlyObeseMonkey wrote:
Really? IMO it could be better if Stelek painted the guns and other details and based the models, but right now that "Space Wolves" army is gross.

I dont think so. I like that ghost look for a chaos army.

Gross? Man please post pics of your army, so we can see if you actually can paint any better.

carmachu wrote:Gross? Man please post pics of your army, so we can see if you actually can paint any better.

Click on the link in my sig and judge for yourself.

To clarify, I am not knocking Stelek's painting abilities, because I have seen his other armies and he's actually a pretty good painter. I am just saying that the Space Wolves army he brought to the NOVA was ugly. Obviously he left himself very little time to paint his army due to his indicision regarding the list he wanted to take. I hope he finishes off his SW army because I think it has the potential to look really good if the details were finished.

MorbidlyObeseMonkey wrote:

carmachu wrote:Gross? Man please post pics of your army, so we can see if you actually can paint any better.

Click on the link in my sig and judge for yourself.

To clarify, I am not knocking Stelek's painting abilities, because I have seen his other armies and he's actually a pretty good painter. I am just saying that the Space Wolves army he brought to the NOVA was ugly. Obviously he left himself very little time to paint his army due to his indicision regarding the list he wanted to take. I hope he finishes off his SW army because I think it has the potential to look really good if the details were finished.

I rather like his paintjob, but I agree it looks kind of, unfinished...


As for the battle, Stelek is obviously a good player, and his build is one of the toughest possible, so I'd say you did great considering your own list isn't purely optimal.

Does it feel good to at least be able to make friends with one of your former internet haters?

My one comment on this is the following:

Dash, i hear from DAR that you take absinthe like a little girl, we will rectify this issue when we 1v1 on my travel table drug out into the woods near my house...with absinthe

Great battlereport Dash!

Ok you didn't win. But I would say you proved him that orks are a competitive army.

I play orks myself and Space wolves are a really bad matchup for us. I wished he had used his Tau instead.

I think Stelek should easen up and enjoy the game a little more. Moving the other players models and asking to redo a turn is bad gaming.

Ennkay wrote:My one comment on this is the following:

Dash, i hear from DAR that you take absinthe like a little girl, we will rectify this issue when we 1v1 on my travel table drug out into the woods near my house...with absinthe

I took a shot, coughed for a moment, and commented on the potent nature of something I'd never tried before.

You need to ask DAR who took a shot, tried not to gag (in my hotel room), and sweated violently all throughout dinner. =p

Thanks for clearing it up for me too.

I thought that if the synapse creature didn't count for IB at the beginning of the movement phase, it wouldn't count for units falling back either since in both cases the model have begun their the movement phase out of synapse range.

Any further discussion of this should probably be moved to YMTC.

anyone else get the impression that Stelek was expecting Dash's list? True that his list would work on pretty much any army that relied on vehicles to get units into combat, but......

helgrenze wrote:anyone else get the impression that Stelek was expecting Dash's list? True that his list would work on pretty much any army that relied on vehicles to get units into combat, but......

I did not feel like his list was built for me. If he *had* pulled out a TWC list with all models uniquely equipped, and other anti-ork kinda stuff, I would have been disappointed, but Stelek went the same distance I did in the GT the following two days.

Like I pointed out in my batrep, I made some mistakes, and it cost me the game. Stelek's Batrep is here. He basically took my batrep and interjected his comments into it.

There were some things we both didn't like about the game. Terrain for instance, and how it wasn't what either of us thought it was going to be. We both would have deployed differently. I would have picked one side or the other instead of dead center.

No, stelek is not stupid enough to list tailor to beat dash when he knows that many other kinds of armies will be there. If we consider the fact that he ran the army in regular play too, then there is no way he list tailored.

I also agree with the clarified version of why orks suck according to stelek. You get to do the exact same thing every game.

MorbidlyObeseMonkey wrote:

carmachu wrote:Gross? Man please post pics of your army, so we can see if you actually can paint any better.

Click on the link in my sig and judge for yourself.

To clarify, I am not knocking Stelek's painting abilities, because I have seen his other armies and he's actually a pretty good painter. I am just saying that the Space Wolves army he brought to the NOVA was ugly. Obviously he left himself very little time to paint his army due to his indicision regarding the list he wanted to take. I hope he finishes off his SW army because I think it has the potential to look really good if the details were finished.

That you dont like the style, is fine. I'm not sure i like the lava guard myself at all, its well done.

But seriously, bad set of terms there- Gross? Seriously? Its got a decent set of conversion, a good theme, and a decent table top quality paint job. Gross is more like the 10 year old that splashes colors or just dips in the pot...

Without trying to take the mods job away from them, do you guys want to move back on-topic?

I really don't get the impression Stelek's list was tailored. It looked like a fairly all-corners SW list to me.

I have to admit to disliking Stelek's attitude, to me he comes across as very arrogant that he IS right. Either way though, i think it was a good game and I'd like to see a round 2

edit: in terms of the whole take-the-turn back thing, I remember in my introduction game within a Games-Workshop store it was me and 15+ Dark Eldar vs 10 Space Marines and I forgot the shooting phase and the staff-member (guy who was teaching us) wouldn't let me take it back. So if I couldn't in a 150pts introduction game I don't see why Stelek should've in a tournament. It was very generous of you Dash, no doubt, but still...

Well, having looked things over again, I have to agree it was a very good all-comers list. Small units and armor seem to be the advantagous option for marine players in this edition.

Absolutely nice reports. Congrats on the placement.
And Orks don't suck.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Ennkay wrote:My one comment on this is the following:

Dash, i hear from DAR that you take absinthe like a little girl, we will rectify this issue when we 1v1 on my travel table drug out into the woods near my house...with absinthe

I took a shot, coughed for a moment, and commented on the potent nature of something I'd never tried before.

You need to ask DAR who took a shot, tried not to gag (in my hotel room), and sweated violently all throughout dinner. =p

this is information i was not privy to, but is hysterical/expected

p.s
my absinthe has a picture of Ernest Hemingway on it

p.p.s
combine this with a nerdhammer table in the woods and gak and you have a flying rodent gak crazy nerdhammer game

baals to the waal

Ennkay, it was DAR gagging in my room and pouring sweat during dinner.

Dashofpepper wrote:Ennkay, it was DAR gagging in my room and pouring sweat during dinner.

i know, that makes it 100% more funny, because he said you don't do absinthe well, and you say that he doesn't do absinthe well. Obviously you both do absinthe terribly(but one of you is a champion at rum)

Ennkay wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:Ennkay, it was DAR gagging in my room and pouring sweat during dinner.

i know, that makes it 100% more funny, because he said you don't do absinthe well, and you say that he doesn't do absinthe well. Obviously you both do absinthe terribly(but one of you is a champion at rum)

I just wanted to try it. =p

Never had it, didn't know what to expect, it burned on the way down. It was always the first drink of the night on an empty stomach. Absinthe strikes me as something you break out after you've had a few drinks already, when it doesn't burn going down.

For example - I crack a bottle of Captain Morgan open. Take a swig. The first one is going to make me wince. Always. 1/4 of a bottle later, it just tastes spicy going down. Add in some Absinthe there and I'm probably going to be rolling a good buzz.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Ennkay wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:Ennkay, it was DAR gagging in my room and pouring sweat during dinner.

i know, that makes it 100% more funny, because he said you don't do absinthe well, and you say that he doesn't do absinthe well. Obviously you both do absinthe terribly(but one of you is a champion at rum)

I just wanted to try it. =p

Never had it, didn't know what to expect, it burned on the way down. It was always the first drink of the night on an empty stomach. Absinthe strikes me as something you break out after you've had a few drinks already, when it doesn't burn going down.

For example - I crack a bottle of Captain Morgan open. Take a swig. The first one is going to make me wince. Always. 1/4 of a bottle later, it just tastes spicy going down. Add in some Absinthe there and I'm probably going to be rolling a good buzz.

True enough, However starting the morning with a shot or two of absinthe gets you rolling pretty well, now louching(the method of preparing it as a fancy pants drink) it with cold water and a flaming sugar cube is a different story entirely: Burn removed, keep the nice licorice taste, still alcoholic as gak, apply directly to the forehead

Just Dave wrote:
edit: in terms of the whole take-the-turn back thing, I remember in my introduction game within a Games-Workshop store it was me and 15+ Dark Eldar vs 10 Space Marines and I forgot the shooting phase and the staff-member (guy who was teaching us) wouldn't let me take it back. So if I couldn't in a 150pts introduction game I don't see why Stelek should've in a tournament. It was very generous of you Dash, no doubt, but still...

I dont want to start drama, so let me start with that.

But having read Dash's report and then Stelek's, the accounts of the "take back" differ a bit. Where as he asked him to move his models into assualt three times....

Yeah, I posted that before reading Stelek's account but if I'm honest I'm still believing Dash more, although I fully admit there may be some personal bias there...

I'm not griping that Stelek beat me. He's a talented gamer and his win was well-earned.

@Dash: You ever try Sailor Jerry? It goes down easier than Captain Morgan's while being 92 Proof, making it extra dangerous.

I haven't - Mike introduced me to some stronger stuff, but it crossed the barrier of "not tasty by itself anymore."

Interestingly, he also had some scotch, which I will have to get the name of that dropped my jaw. Outside of Johnny Walker Blue label and Gold label ($200, $75 respectively) I find sipping scotch to be a difficult experience to classify as truly pleasurable, but he had some low-mid range scotch that was the equal of blue label....and I've had a few bottles of the good stuff.

The problem with rum is that there's no real opportunity to sit down and TRY the various ones. You have to buy a bottle to try it, and I'm picky. The little airplane sized bottles don't come in a lot of different flavors of rum.

Scotch was my first experience with alcohol, drank like 8 ounces of the stuff in one go and nearly vomited. I hate it with all my heart

Eidolon wrote:Scotch was my first experience with alcohol, drank like 8 ounces of the stuff in one go and nearly vomited. I hate it with all my heart

Hate Scotch?! Heresy! Single malt and Haggis is an experience not to be missed!

I don't blame him when it was his first experience and he drunk that much of it!

2nd times a winner?

Most of the 5th edition armies Orks tend to have problems with but it really comes down to player skill with Orks. Most of DoP's success w/ his Orks is mostly with his skills and experience playing them. I have to say your one big weakness atm is your relative lack of knowledge of other armies. While Stelek told you what was in his list, someone else could blindside you with something. I try to make it a habit of buying every codex that comes out. While not cost effective, I have an idea on what my opponent is trying to do with the army. Good game the both of you.

The moral of this story is armies and army lists are one part of 40k but even the best of army lists still require some skill to use properly and win with.