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Lycaeus Wrex wrote:This battlerep is pretty cool, but I have to say that the paint jobs could be better, though I got a bit rude saying it... I guess at least some of the Orks have more than a single colour but...pink?! My hobby just died a little...lol

Would it *really* have hurt to put a few colours on those models? The Wolves in particular look like something even younger players surpass in their first few weeks of the hobby. I'd have been ashamed to take an army like that out of my house, let alone allow pictures of it put up on the internet...

/painting rant over.

Otherwise, as already noted, nice report!

L. Wrex

Let's try to keep our criticisms polite, folks. -The Mgmt.

Um. I know you were edited due to your rudeness, however I will say this:

This is not the painting and modeling forum. This is the battle report forum. The pics are not there for your critique. Paint schemes are subjective and therefore subject to opinion. Obviously, your opinion blows.

All of my orks are more than a single color. Just because they are pink does not mean they care for your painting critique. If you want to bash people for painting, visit the appropriate forum.

Anything in a battle report is up for critique; the visuals are an important part of many reports' appeal, and all the nice photos are definitely one of the strong points of Dash's reports. If a model looks really good, a compliment is not out of place. If (for example) terrain looks like junk, it can affect the enjoyment of the report and be worth making constructive comments on.

That said, any post critiquing someone's work (or particularly them as a person) should be made politely, to avoid giving unnecessary offense and to improve the likelihood that the recipient will take it constructively.

Dodiez, do you think you could link to one or two photos showing off the nice paintwork in the army?

Mannahnin wrote:Anything in a battle report is up for critique; the visuals are an important part of many reports' appeal, and all the nice photos are definitely one of the strong points of Dash's reports. If a model looks really good, a compliment is not out of place. If (for example) terrain looks like junk, it can affect the enjoyment of the report and be worth making constructive comments on.

That said, any post critiquing someone's work (or particularly them as a person) should be made politely, to avoid giving unnecessary offense and to improve the likelihood that the recipient will take it constructively.

Dodiez, do you think you could link to one or two photos showing off the nice paintwork in the army?

No, I don't like doing that, sorry. I don't like the criticism by what I see as opinion only. Even Van Gogh wasn't appreciated during his time. Not comparing my stuff to his, obviously, just using that as an example.

If people want to see some pics, they can check the gallery posted under Dash.

If people didn't appreciate the pics in the battle reports so much, I would insist that Dash never take any. Most people do NOT appreciate my color scheme and my lack of washes or however else they think I should paint. There's a reason that my stuff isn't posted in the P&M forum. I don't feel I should be subjected to people's negativity when I didn't ask for their opinion. I've improved greatly since I started painting, however I probably will NEVER paint how people think I "should".

Sorry to bog this thread down with this, but I really thought that commenting on painting in this portion of Dakka was in bad form. I thought I read that somewhere in another thread here but maybe it was in another section.

Hey, criticism of one's artistic efforts can often be uncomfortable. Totally understood. The first army I painted looks pretty crappy; I rarely play it in public at this point. In a hobby which does have an artistic side like this one, discussion of different pieces' artistic merit is, I think, inevitable. We try to keep a pretty firm hand on rudeness in such criticism, and in the P&M forums, specifically, it's sometimes more like the Iron Boot of Politeness.

The problem is that people think that Dodiez' orks are painted badly and that she needs tips on how to improve them.





I assure you, those are exactly the colors that she intended, painted exactly the way that she wanted them.

I gave her the Waaaugh! Banner and said, "Paint this to represent the theme of your army. She painted pink polka-dots on the shoulder pads and a cabbage patch paint scheme. She likes bright colors, she doesn't like the effects of washes or inks....highlighting dulls the bright colors that she intended in the first place.

People not liking a paint scheme is one thing - people thinking that she didn't do it on purpose and needs improvement seriously pisses her off.

On the bright side of things, atleast your Orks really standout and in some weird way its also pretty fluffy. Most warbosses despise sneaking around and would rather do a straight up fight.

thehod wrote:On the bright side

These orks only have bright sides

My apologies if I came across as brasher than I meant to.

I guess I should clarify and say that, whilst the style of Dash's Orks aren't quite my cup of tea, at least there is more than one colour there; my main gripe is with Stelek's motley collection of blue-y white so maaaaybe I'm not even posting on the right site but...I like Dakka more that YTTH

The way I percieve it is that Dash and Stelek both have quite large followings in the community, a lot of people look at their work, they way they play, the army lists they compile and the reports they post. A lot of people draw inspiration from the tactics used, especially considering their respective track records.

Now, considerng the amount of traffic reading these reports, I expect at the very least *some* effort to have gone into the aesthetic style of the army rather than concentrating soley on the face-smashing aspect, 3 colours + basing is not that hard to achieve, so really there's no excuse. I also think it can generate a bad example to other up-and-coming players of the game that such a large aspect of the entire hobby can be simply ignored.

Maybe I'm reading a little bit too far into it, and I didn't particularly want to de-rail the entire thread on whether or not you should paint your stuff for tournaments, thats up to the TO at any rate; it just dissapointed me somewhat that experienced players don't seem to take as much pride in their hobby outside of the gaming scene...

L. Wrex