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I dont care if its not GD standard, I just want to see how it goes and do they give you feedback on your models?

I'm a person who gives it a go, dont care if they laugh either.

Now with conversions, is it better or worse?

nononono. Washes are fine Just spray some matte finish over it to reduce glare. Washes are terribly shiney.

I would personally go something like.....

Deep red (possibly blood/chaos 1:2 or something like that)>
Less dark red (maybe a 1:1 blood/chaos)
Blood red>
Blood/macharius (2:1)>
Macharius>
Blazing/macharius (1:1)>
Blazing>
Blazing and skull(1:1) for extreme highlighting and sharp edges

Off the top of my head of course. That would probably be more than I'd actually end up doing, but it helps to visualize every stage of it.

NOW, this is really only for skin. Nothing else really needs this much work. Really, you can create great skin with only three colors. Look at some horses on the GW site.

The thing with conversions and basing is that they're not actually judged, but they have a huge impact. While a sub-par model with an amazing base is not going to win over an amazing model with a sub-par base, when you have two amazing models on the table, an amazing base goes a long way. Additionally, conversions don't directly impact the scoring itself, but a well converted model is more likely to draw a judge's attention then a vanilla model. However, make sure that the conversion is perfect. While a well converted model won't gain any points for it, a poorly converted one will certainly lose points for it.

The thing with Golden Daemon is that, at the higher echelons of the competition, models become so close in extravagancy that they can no longer judge purely on the appearance and techniques employed, and have to look for the tiniest of mistakes to differentiate second from first. A single out of place speck of paint can lose the competition for you.

That said, I don't believe that simply giving you suggestions on what to do for your individual model will help you. You need to work on gaining a basic grasp of painting technique, colour theory, and line theory. We could give you suggestions for your DP all day, but you won't really learn anything. However, study those three points I mentioned, and you'll be more than able to see for yourself what needs changing.

No, it doesn't happen overnight, and yes, expect to spend many months practicing before you even become halfway decent.

Also, spend money on models that are particularly HARD to paint. In other words, NOT marines.

Like this:


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Or these:

Or this guy:

Ah ok, so paint the hard looking models!
What would you suggest for a Daemon model?

Well, not exactly. Try different elements, like skin or metal or hide, scenery..everything really

A bloodthirster can be a challenge....Put modelling those things is hard as hell. Same with that dragon dude in my post. He's like, impossible.

Try your best on ALL models. Don't use the same colors all the time. Work with every color you possibly can, WHITE,YELLOW and REDS are very important. A solid white can often win a prize for you. Same with NMM

Ok, whats NMM and what is that dragon called?

Now, realize i'm no body, but this is how I think it could be improved.

The main beef is its only a few colors, I could see the bone spurs and spikes being bone instead of black. I could see the brass and silver being cleaner more distinctive. There could be some runes tatoos on some of his larger muscles. The teeth being more white and distinctive. As for the base alot of people use Cork for ruined buildings or lava flows...

So, what kind of ruins and what colour?

You clearly need some kind of step-by-step guidance on in-depth painting techniques. The first thing to do is to make sure you know what washing, highlighting, blending, layering, glazing, varnishing and priming all mean. Then to go onto more advanced painting techniques from there.

Not to be mean, but I really thinking you should pick up a How To book or DVD, GW do a "How to Paint Citadel Miniatures" book, and there are some good miniature painting DVDs out there. Once you've read/watched them, practice, practice, practice.

Practice on test models, on bits of sprue, and eventually on your own model. Get angry with it (this almost always happens eventually), strip and retry. Play with techniques, develop brush control. Every model you paint will be slightly better than the next. Browse through tutorials on various techniques for effects such as source lighting, specific materials, freehand. Try them all out, to varying degrees of success. Eventually, if you keep at it and you really "get" it, you'll be a great painter.

As for what is possible in a month, I'd still get those learning materials, then plan out the colour scheme, probably on paper or on the computer. Your problem with this model is that the colours are too similar. There is so little variation that the various parts, instead of being defined, melt into each other.

For the base, come up with a story for it and make a suitable base. Is he 40k or Fantasy? Mid-battle or before/after? What kind of world is he on if its 40k? Is he in a city? Where is he if it's Fantasy. The Empire is mostly forests, the Chaos Wastes are bizarre and Norsca is barren and full of snow. The base is what places him in the world. Imagine it as if he had been teleported from wherever he had been and taken a circular chunk out of the surrounding area with him.

Also, I think you're trying too hard to get this model done by committee here on Dakka. There is no "right" way that we're keeping from you on how to paint them.

Here's some examples of how coming up with a story can help you compose your piece.

Perhaps the Daemon is in Khemri, and the ruins are ancient Tomb King ones, surrounded by ochre sands, scorching sunlight and the stone is cream and sand-strewn, old hieroglyphics barely visible through the decay, while shards of turquoise from gems set into the decoration of the fallen temple glint from their sockets and on the forgotten floors.

On the other hand, perhaps the Daemon is in the ruins of an Adeptus Mechanicus foundry, bits of twisted metal scattered about, while debris from the nearby crater on the concrete floor has scattered across the neat order, upsetting it, parts of solid grey, rainstreaked walls still etched with the symbol of the Omnissiah standing tall, when the Daemon notices it and with a negilent desecration, scratches three long claws along its surface.

The first one leans towards creams, ochres and blues; while the second focuses on metallics, greys and browns. Another possible setting would be for deep woodlands: greens, browns and yellows. And this is just for ruins, never mind any other kind of possible base.

If we go for a purely colour-theory example, I'd go for the woodlands look, because green contrasts with red. However, the desert one could work equally well as then you have the three primaries: yellow, blue and red. The Adeptus Metallicus one would be difficult to pull off as the colours are all fairly neutral.

um, ok, i really dont get that last bit, but what about painting ruins on him?

Ok Fe, please listen. I think there are a few things that you need to understand here.
1. You do not need to enter a daemon model in to the Golden Demon competition.
2. You need to get a miniature painting tutorial, either a DVD, book, or watch some for free on YouTube. Honestly, some of the best ones are available from www.coolminiornot.com in their shop.
3. You do not get feedback in Golden Demon. They take your model, put it in a case in it's category, and then you come and pick it up after they finish with the judging. It's kind of a hassle if you're not looking at winning anything.
4. Go look at past Golden Demon winners. http://demonwinner.free.fr/
5. Continue painting, and don't get down. Your stuff looks good for what I assume has been the fairly short time you've been painting. Understand, I have been painting for 12 years now. I've won 3 Golden Demons. It takes time.

Ok, what about this figure, tell me what you think of him compared to mine!

Sorry its small!

Is you want to see it bigger: http://coolminiornot.com/255451

Use layers.... I'm personally planning on buying one of these guys, and i'm planning to paint his skin as a swirling rainbow. An acid trip. But, it looks like you've tried to imitate the dude on the back of the box..... nooooot good, be different- and don't nick my idea.

i wasn't niking the idea of the box, I'd always planned to do that and I run a khorne army so of course it'll be red!

The Red is boring, it doesn't 'jump out'- you should do harsh extreme highlights, then when the rest of the model is done just pain over the red with a red ink- it really made my wolf lords cloak look great.

When you say extreme highlights, what you mean and what's red ink????

Dakka has a tutorial forum , why not take a few hours reading the tips people posted?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/68.page

Well, red ink is ink that is red..... i dont how to put it more simply. And look at these links for highlighting tips http://www.coolminiornot.com/article/aid/192
http://www.coolminiornot.com/article/aid/227/page/2
http://www.coolminiornot.com/article/aid/23

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There are some good ones there, you know any for Daemon skin toning?

You want to get at least this http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/131571-Night%20Lords%20Daemon%20Prince.html to enter.

I've seen that before, whats the diffrnece bwtween that and mine?

And what colour should those lines on his body be?

Got any good you-tube videos on how to do a DP's flesh?

He has done loads of highlights, you haven't. If you could get hold of, i think it was last months WD it has a painting tut for a DP- you'll just have to replace the blues with reds.

I have that and thats not a bad idea, so if it say for example, if it says ice blue or ultramarine blue, what do i use to replace it?

Well, you will need to go from black or red gore to fiery orange for the most extreme highlights. I tend to mix paint, more than actually use GW pre-sets. That foundation red would be a good base tho.

ok, im going to compare the blue colour and the red colour and tell me if there near each other:

Ice blue-2:1 of blood red and white
Regel blue: Blood red

I told you, i don't use GW colours- i mix paint. Just chose your darkest colour as the base and work up to your lightest colour.

Ok, thx

I think you are expecting results and solutions way too fast... Painting needs practice just like any other skills.
Take a deep breath , paint a bit more minis , get a hang of things first.
Feeling confident still? Try picking a photo of a paint job you really like and try to replicate the look.
If you manage to produce the same result , grats! If not , you still have improved.

Its a win win situation.

LunaHound be speaking the logics.