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all you need is the rulebook to play. the faction books are for fluff nutters mostly, unless your heartset on running tiers. the models come with their current cards.

cryx, you cant go wrong with the battle box. deneghra is one of the best casters in the game and really epitomizies how cryx works.

No, not really, you can choose to get a faction deck, and a corebook and card protecters

or you can get all of them , if you are a fluff nutter, or if what i suspect of the faction deck being outdated is correct

i am getting my khador book next friday

Running tiers?

Each warcaster have a tiered list

where they gain this nifty advantage if their army contains the listed model and nothing else, you can find it in the faction book
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oh sorry, you can include something else, but it has to fullfill the tier requirement, and the tier before it

Retrias wrote:Each warcaster have a tiered list

where they gain this nifty advantage if their army contains the listed model and nothing else, you can find it in the faction book

I see. Then I guess I don't really know if that I means I need the book or not.


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As far as the deck, I know they have a Mk II, and I didn't know if all of the figures would have the right version of cards.

That is the point i think, would "torch"(new warjack, khador) have a card?, or would they include cards on every figure/upgrade kits?

in the end you need the card to play the game easier(marking damage boxes, not checking your book that often, etc etc)

Makes sense, and one of the things I am liking about the game (the cards). My 40k games are full of flipping through books every 5 seconds from rule disputes.

New players buying new models should only need the main MKII rulebook.

New models should come with the current cards. Most stores should have turned over their stock by now.
Any new model released since MkII came out in January will not be in the Card Decks.
The Card Decks were intended for those of us with pre-existing collections to update the cards.

The Faction books are nice, but unnecessary for normal gameplay.
I like having it, because I can flip through it while thinking about gameplay strategies, rather than having my cards at hand.

bottom line is that a new player only needs the MkII rulebook and the models they want. That's it.

A warning though. If you buy a starter box with metal models, it will not have the new cards. The new all-plastic starters will have them.
Also, you can get individual cards for decent prices at both the Privateer Press webstore and Miniature Market.


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Retrias wrote:That is the point i think, would "torch"(new warjack, khador) have a card?, or would they include cards on every figure/upgrade kits?

in the end you need the card to play the game easier(marking damage boxes, not checking your book that often, etc etc)

Every new blister will come with the relevant card in it. Torch is an upgrade pack that includes the card.
You get the upgrade parts only, you still need a plastic jack kit to complete it.

To participate in any tournament, you wil need the cards. Playing at home with your buddies, thats up to them.

You need the mk2 rule book and faction deck, all the rules for the models are on the cards. You only need the book if you want the tier lists and fluff, all the new model have the mk 2 cards with them but if you get older stock sometimes you still get the old cards.

Thanks for the info guys. I watched a demo tonight and was impressed all around. One thing I did wonder about my possible army choice, is Cryx shooty, melee, or something else?

Nightsbane wrote:Thanks for the info guys. I watched a demo tonight and was impressed all around. One thing I did wonder about my possible army choice, is Cryx shooty, melee, or something else?

cryx is well......, the horde army of warmachine game, they bring more models than everyone else, they are characterized as something that " go in fast, hit hard, get out fast"
the cryx player i have been playing with before, seems to be more meele centered rather than shooting, although they are one those army, who can do anything based on it's warcaster and current unit

As a Cryx player, I can tell you that we are more geared towards melee but we have some decent shooting as well. If you want to build all-shooting lists then you're barking up the wrong tree, but if you want a decent gun selection then Cryx is your friend. And pGaspy's Breath of Corruption, when used properly, is a game-ender.

I just wanted to make sure. I have picked Cryx as my army, but someone told me last night that they were shooty, not melee which was not what I am looking for so I wanted to figure out if they were just misinformed.

Cryx has some shooting, but realize as above, their shooting and melee tends to be a setup for other units to do nastier things. Glass cannons as described.

Although, I'd have to say that overall, Cryx is melee oriented overall from what I've seen, but their infantry and combos always has special tricks to get into melee. Their ranged options, while fewer, are nasty, and once again have little tricks to help the melee models.

So don't worry, Cryx is still mainly melee, but don't be surprised when your shooting ends up really helping the melee stuff in the end. The Reaper jack is a good example, shoot something, drag it in closer, and let other stuff beat the crap out of it.

Also note that all armies, since the MKII, seem to be getting more balanced melee and shooting options.

Nightsbane wrote:I just wanted to make sure. I have picked Cryx as my army, but someone told me last night that they were shooty, not melee which was not what I am looking for so I wanted to figure out if they were just misinformed.

why would anyone call a faction who has the infamous Deathjack, shooty? i mean you generally define a force by what the majority/best unit were capable of doing, Khador have gigantic big axes, why would anyone peg them as shooty? Cygnar while having okay meele option( some are great) is one of those faction who had more guns than anyone else

Well, maybe they had a bad experience with the DeathJack allocated a focus point and casted Breath of Corruption to his/her caster's demise .

I am wondering is the term used here, "Shooty", is used as real shooting, or magical shooting. Breaths arte magic, not shooting. Pistolwraiths shoot (albeit with magical bullets).

Cryx is not known for their quality shooting, but it does have some excellent and usable magic missiles on their casters (yeah, I know, term from the 'other' game, so sue me..).

For instance Deneghra has Venom which is not a shooting attack. She just uses it trhough a arcnode to lay down up to 3 templates. Gaspy uses his breath of corruption trhough a node up to 2 times (4 on feat-turn).

it might be a subtle difference to some, but it is a vast difference when deciding on faction..

Book wise,just a rule book and a faction book.You will not need a deck as you get the cards as you build your force,they come included in the box/blister you purchase.Cygnar are regarded as a way to learn the game and then maybe move onto cryx at a later date.

Maybe they were messing with you, or just an idiot. 40K/WFB are not the only games that have players who comment/post and haven't the slightest clue what they're actually taking about.

As far as ranged stuff. Pistol Wraiths and Reepers/Malice are the order of the day, but neither will hold up a turn of shooting on their own. Other Cryx ranged units are pretty rare as they're generally expensive for what they do. And if you do build a list around Cryx's rather dubious shooting, be prepared for ranged heavy Cygnar and Retribution to tear you to pieces at will.

Alternatively the player may just be confusing ranged attacks for spells. A lot of Cryx casters use the bonechickens to deliver some damn good offensive spells to enemies, but a key difference here is that this can be shut down by dropping the nodes, so as much fun as it is to run some bonechickens up for a few kills, you should probably keep one in reserve in case you need it.

I don't know, I think Cryx players should be using the bone chickens only when they need it, and not shoved down the opponents' throat; that's the point of everything else .

My first handful of games with the Bone Chickens were not so great with them bounding ahead of my army and not arcing too much stuff.
Lots of boosting on big shots so Def 15 is ok, but not great.

Deciding to hold back, I've been more happy with my performance (not necessarily winning though). So much so, I think I can make due with -1 arc node than what I think I'll need (ex. 2 instead of 3 for pDenny/eGaspy and 1 instead of 2 for eGaspy.

As for shooting, I think eSkarre is the closest thing we have to a somewhat shooting dedicated caster. Black Spot is pretty hot and doesn't give up on the melee side of things either.

A possible 4 shots on a pistol wraith or lots of munchies for the spider jack.

Then there are mass pistols from pirates, Sea Witch, Captain. There's always the SH riflemen, Nyss Hunters and Reaper/Malice.

thanks guys for keeping the info rolling.

Are there videos or anything anywhere showing the factions in action to give a glimpse of how they will work? I don't want to find out I like somthing else better after I drop the cash, but will
not have much opportunity for warm up/proxy games. I will simply have to place my order.

Nightsbane wrote:thanks guys for keeping the info rolling.

Are there videos or anything anywhere showing the factions in action to give a glimpse of how they will work? I don't want to find out I like somthing else better after I drop the cash, but will
not have much opportunity for warm up/proxy games. I will simply have to place my order.

Duuuuuuuuuuude, has nobody told you about Vassal?
You can watch actual games in progress, and if you have the stats for the models you want to use you can play games on Vassal yourself.

Nope, Haven't heard of it.

Google it.
And Goolde Vassal 40K after it.

Helps much when experimenting with lists and getting rules interaction and such down when able to get games off-board time.

Else, be careful, it does not replace the board

thanks, checking it out now.


Now that I am getting a good feel for the factions based on all of this information and privateer press stuff, I am kind of torn between Cryx and Khador.

So (while I await my ebay auction to finish this week) I guess I will pose a couple more questions on picking a force.

I continue to hear about Cryx being squishy, but do they have any heavy hitter units that can get in close and hold their own? I tend to be a bit more focused on heavy hitting units than just a mass of paper wasps. I love variety and choices, but I am just wondering what Cryx has in this department.

I have been frustrated in 40k by picking space marines/blood angels in being a middle of the road faction picked apart by specialization and do not wish to have that happen again. I like the look of Khador jacks and quite a few of their units, as I do with Cryx (but lean towards Cryx even though Khador would be a blast to paint). So does Cryx have any unit choices that make enemies tremble in fear to have them approach - fearing even a single blow from their weapons? Or is most of Cryx light armor focused, praying to not get sniped before coming to bear on the enemy?

Cryx is squishy in regards to the fact they have high DEF but low ARM.

If you can hit them, they will die. If you can't hit them, they will destroy you.

That's pretty much it.

^Yes.
I just started, but you'll lose things fast when the opponent has area effecting boosting or debuffing.

I think Cryx depends on the special rules that ignore rules more than most.
Look at the Slayer, it's 13/17, pretty similar durability to the Merc Vanguard, and that's only a light Jack ! .

Hit hard and hit fast is the way of things mostly.

Sanctjud wrote:I think Cryx depends on the special rules that ignore rules more than most.
Look at the Slayer, it's 13/17, pretty similar durability to the Merc Vanguard, and that's only a light Jack ! .

/me notes that the Vanguard has a shield.

Oh, lol, that only makes it worse.

To rephrase my question, does Cryx have any "tanks"?