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2010/09/26 05:28:53
Subject: Re:Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Fixture of Dakka
Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents
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Most powerful army at 500 points: Orks.
Most powerful army at 1000 points: Orks (Dark Eldar coming a close second).
Most powerful army at 1500 points: Orks (Probably tied with Dark Eldar).
Most powerful army at 1750, 1850, 2000 points: Orks (Dark Eldar coming in a close second).
Most powerful army at 2500 points: Orks.
Most powerful army in 3,000+ Apoc: Orks.
Best army around in general: Orks.
Most fun army to play: Orks.
Army with the coolest rules: Orks
What do all the MEQ copycats secretly wish that they were?: Orks.
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2010/09/26 05:58:40
Subject: Re:Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Dashofpepper wrote:Most powerful army at 2500 points: Orks.
I'm fairly certain any decent Guard player could blast a 2500 point Ork army to shreds rather quickly.
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2010/09/26 05:59:55
Subject: Re:Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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Melissia wrote:Dashofpepper wrote:Most powerful army at 2500 points: Orks.
I'm fairly certain any decent Guard player could blast a 2500 point Ork army to shreds rather quickly.
Oh, you mean like exactly what happened at 'Ard Boyz last year?  Don't make me link to it. 'cause I will.
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2010/09/26 06:05:44
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Yeah. The winning Guard player was the only one to score above twenty in all three rounds.
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2010/09/26 16:37:32
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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That's why you run 3 max sized units of Kommandos and Deffkopts at 2500 points.
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Read my story at:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356
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2010/09/27 01:50:57
Subject: Re:Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Slipstream wrote:Don't know if this helps but...
I had a Necron force which consisted of a Lord with Veil of Darkness, two 10 Necron warrior squads and 5 immortals which came in at 1000pts. Necrons can be tough to use effectively but in one game against a strong IG army I managed to destroy 2 Leman Russ, 1 Hellhound, a mortar platoon and depeleted a few infantry squads. I took all the tanks in one turn. I lost the game simply because I forgot about the objective as I was having so much fun blowing things up!
Seriously, I'm normally a marine player and have never found a decent mix at 1000pts for them. If you are up against the IG for example you are hideously outnumbered and the supposed toughness of the marines becomes laughable. I've lost games in the first round without firing a shot simply because of overwhelming firepower.
That list may have worked in 4th ed but i dont think it would be nearly as effective in 5th (new Glance Rule) . Hopefully in the next ed of necrons i will be able to play a viable 500-1000 pnt game with my only army (necrons)
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2010/09/27 04:50:02
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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Armoured Company is dumb at 500 points. Three Leman Russes, in dawn of war, ENJOY.
Ive done it before, and I felt dirty.
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6000 points IG, Leviathins 8th company, (store regiment) 60% painted 
4500 points Empire 80-90% painted!
2500 Ogres 2% painted
WIP Biker Battle Company 95% painted
2500 Points Isstavan Drop site massacre Iron Hands (still waiting for dat codex) 
I managed to play a 1750 point game with minimal proxieing on the first day DE came out.  go me!
The Gutterballers, a relatively successfull BloodBowl team
Oh, and Howard's Faildar 
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2010/09/27 04:54:52
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Sinewy Scourge
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sniperjolly wrote:Armoured Company is dumb at 500 points. Three Leman Russes, in dawn of war, ENJOY.
Ive done it before, and I felt dirty.
You little F***er. I hated it when someone did that to me in a 3rd edition 500pt battle.
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Also littlenibbler Orks aren't about armour saves.
Orks are about having too many models on the table, and wasting the other guy's time with your movement phase.
Orks are about having the toughest units on the table.
Orks are about not caring about how many bodies are left in a long winding trail until the squad is down to less than a third its starting strength.
Orks are about rolling more dice then you can count without the aid of a calculator or a pen and paper.
Orks are about having totally fething insane characters tearing gak down like Doc Grotsnik, Ghazghkull or Snikrot.
Orks are about being too fething awesome to die...
Lets settle this in the arena http://pantsformer.mybrute.com |
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2010/09/27 05:11:45
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Norn Queen
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Brother SRM wrote:I'd figure Tyranids would have a hard time at low points value since they can't fit enough synapse in. Even a Tyranid Prime is a fairly decent chunk of points, and anything like a Tervigon or Trygon Prime will eat up half of a 500 point army. Necrons too, since Phase Out will wipe them out right quick in a 500 point game.
I assume you mean a Tyranid Prime? You can get one with a Whip/Sword combo for 100 points. My current 500 point Nid army has 3 decent sized broods (12 Termagants, 12 Hormagaunts and 10 Gargoyles), a Tyranid Prime and 5 Warriors with Deathspitters and a Venom Cannon. That's a lot of models - and some pretty tough, multiwound models as well, and no shortage of synapse.
it's funny that a lot of people are commenting on armies hitting their sweet spot at 1500pts, which means GW's playtesting is working. 40k is balanced for 1500pts.
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2010/09/27 05:31:27
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Sinewy Scourge
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-Loki- wrote:it's funny that a lot of people are commenting on armies hitting their sweet spot at 1500pts, which means GW's playtesting is working. 40k is balanced for 1500pts.
Look at anything just under 3,000 or Apoc and try say they keep balance at higher levels... "Out Of Ammo Sarge!" Anyone???
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Also littlenibbler Orks aren't about armour saves.
Orks are about having too many models on the table, and wasting the other guy's time with your movement phase.
Orks are about having the toughest units on the table.
Orks are about not caring about how many bodies are left in a long winding trail until the squad is down to less than a third its starting strength.
Orks are about rolling more dice then you can count without the aid of a calculator or a pen and paper.
Orks are about having totally fething insane characters tearing gak down like Doc Grotsnik, Ghazghkull or Snikrot.
Orks are about being too fething awesome to die...
Lets settle this in the arena http://pantsformer.mybrute.com |
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2010/09/27 05:58:52
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Charging Dragon Prince
Chicago, IL, U.S.A.
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Just chiming in here for the craftworlds. I think Eldar are pretty lousy at low points because we don't really have any 'all-purpose' type squads, each squad covers one specific role. If you don't have enough points, you will be lacking in one or another aspect of the game. They work great when you can cover all of you bases (i.e. anti-tank, countercharge, dakka, and so on roles) but with fewer points, you have to leave some element out, and since they are all so specialized instead of somewhat well rounded like squads in other armies, leaving one element out is a big weakness to exploit for my opponent.
On top of that, nowadays, transports are the key to the game. Eldar transports are extremely expensive. No 35 point little-engine-that-could for us.
For these reasons, I think Eldar are absolutely miserable at 1000 points or less, and much prefer 1500 or 2000 games with them.
Still I love me a nice quickie 1000 point game where I just grab whatever model looks cool and see if it can squeeze into the points by chintzing more and more on upgrades.
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2010/09/27 08:23:15
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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sniperjolly wrote:Armoured Company is dumb at 500 points. Three Leman Russes, in dawn of war, ENJOY.
Ive done it before, and I felt dirty.
Wait. You can't do that.
Leman Russ = 150
Leman Russ = 150
Leman Russ = 150
3 Leman Russ = 450
HQ
Company Command = 50 base
Troop 1
Veteran Squad = 70
Trop 2
Veteran Squad = 70
All of which adds up to much more than 500.
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers" 
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2010/09/27 08:37:35
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Sinewy Scourge
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Armoured Company takes Tanks for all slots.
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Also littlenibbler Orks aren't about armour saves.
Orks are about having too many models on the table, and wasting the other guy's time with your movement phase.
Orks are about having the toughest units on the table.
Orks are about not caring about how many bodies are left in a long winding trail until the squad is down to less than a third its starting strength.
Orks are about rolling more dice then you can count without the aid of a calculator or a pen and paper.
Orks are about having totally fething insane characters tearing gak down like Doc Grotsnik, Ghazghkull or Snikrot.
Orks are about being too fething awesome to die...
Lets settle this in the arena http://pantsformer.mybrute.com |
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2010/09/27 09:42:09
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Eyclonus wrote:Armoured Company takes Tanks for all slots.
Oh. Well it doesn't leave room for much else does it?
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
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2010/09/27 11:00:40
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Bounding Black Templar Assault Marine
Melbourne, Australia
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Brother SRM wrote:I'd figure Tyranids would have a hard time at low points value since they can't fit enough synapse in. Even a Tyranid Prime is a fairly decent chunk of points, and anything like a Tervigon or Trygon Prime will eat up half of a 500 point army. Necrons too, since Phase Out will wipe them out right quick in a 500 point game.
It's not too difficult to take a zoanthrope or 2 at 60ish points each..
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2010/09/27 12:29:08
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Sinewy Scourge
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Emperors Faithful wrote:Eyclonus wrote:Armoured Company takes Tanks for all slots.
Oh. Well it doesn't leave room for much else does it?
Tank Aces, Commander Tanks... Basically just more LRBTs, but with better BS and special rules.
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Also littlenibbler Orks aren't about armour saves.
Orks are about having too many models on the table, and wasting the other guy's time with your movement phase.
Orks are about having the toughest units on the table.
Orks are about not caring about how many bodies are left in a long winding trail until the squad is down to less than a third its starting strength.
Orks are about rolling more dice then you can count without the aid of a calculator or a pen and paper.
Orks are about having totally fething insane characters tearing gak down like Doc Grotsnik, Ghazghkull or Snikrot.
Orks are about being too fething awesome to die...
Lets settle this in the arena http://pantsformer.mybrute.com |
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2010/09/27 12:57:00
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Eyclonus wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:Eyclonus wrote:Armoured Company takes Tanks for all slots.
Oh. Well it doesn't leave room for much else does it?
Tank Aces, Commander Tanks... Basically just more LRBTs, but with better BS and special rules.
I meant pointswise. 3 Basic Lemum russes will leave you with 50 points to spare. Maybe some sponsons?
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
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2010/09/27 16:33:36
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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I would welcome 3 Leman Russes at 500 points.
What's scarier is as many Slugga Boyz as can fit!
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Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
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Haters gon' hate. |
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2010/09/28 02:45:22
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
New Jersey
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In my experience necrons get better as you go to higher point values. This is mostly because of phase out, but as your points increase you can get monoliths, C'tan, and pariahs, with a fair amount of necrons left around.
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2010/09/28 02:48:13
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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I'm always happy to see a fellow Pariah enthusiast!
It's true though, the more Monoliths the better. 
Until you run into a Tau player and suddenly 700-odd points of your army disappears.
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Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
W: 1.756 Quadrillion L: 0 D: 2
Haters gon' hate. |
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2010/09/28 03:03:56
Subject: Re:Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Commanding Orc Boss
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SM: Barely Average at low points, best at high points where they can fit TH/SS Termies
SW/BA: Little better than SM because these can handle combat better.
Orks: Good in low points, can get tons of models the opponent just cant handle.
Eldar: Can be good in low points if you spam dire avengers and a wraithlord
Chaos: Good at low points but generally only with Plague marine spam.
IG: Absolutely Crush everything at low points. very hard to beat.
Tau: Just a gunline. Either they slowly kill you, or you get to them and win. Usually the latter will happen. Thats it.
Necrons: Pretty bad at low points but can be worked out somehow.
Dark Eldar: No Comment now, just wait untill the new dex and they will crush everything at low points, even IG.
Tyranids: Actually quite good at low points. You usually see either Tervigon/Stealer Spam or Single or double Tyranid Prime(s) with lots of biomorphed gaunts, a hive guard or two, and maybe some stealers or something in support.
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I hate hard counters. In a game of rock, paper, scissors, I hate playing any of the factions because no matter what you choose you might as well not deploy against your hard counter. I want to use a gun. Rock, paper, and scissors could all probably still beat gun, but gun will never feel like a game is a lost cause. |
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2010/09/28 03:51:57
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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My orks seem to do great at all levels, but their ability to put many effective bodies on the fields makes them absolutely deadly at low points levels.
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2010/09/28 10:15:17
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
Tongala, Victoria, Australia
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IG Scale the best.
1500 pts:
CCS
2 x Vets
8x LR Demolisher
1 x LRBT
Just add or remove HS/FA/Troops to scale up or down
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2010/09/28 23:15:15
Subject: Which armys are better at higher or lower point values?
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
Breaking Something Valuable
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I think that the dark eldar will be crazy at lower points, but later will get much worse.
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