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Lord Harrab wrote:Couldn't you magnetize the turret weapon? I bought the Demolished kit a while ago and it struck me that if i'd bought some magnet's with it (i buy from an online store usually) i could have done so quite easily. I assume the new standard russ is similar?

Yeah, this is what I said like 5 minutes ago.

Magnetizing is really not difficult, and you can get 100 magnets for like 5 bucks. Here's the Demolisher I magnetized:

I have a hrad time with what GW does with their sprues, namely when a box does not come out with the standard armerment for something out of the codex. For instance the Dreadnought is the perfect example, standard is a multi-melta and is arguebly the best load out for a dread in almost all applications. When you buy a dread it should come with the basic armorment.

The fact that players are having to spend a ridiculous ammount of money to build something to specifications for their army is stupid. My room mate just bought two or three dev boxes to load out his Long fangs with Missile Launchers, and this was after raping my bits stash as well.

A simple answer to this would to bring back bits services on a much smaller scale, in my opinion.

I think the worst of them all is the Valkyrie kit. It comes with enough parts to make a Valkyrie but not to make a Vendetta when clearly in the Codex there is a such thing as a Vendetta. Thanks GW. So now I have to go and buy more stuff to make an expensive model even more expensive.

Valkyrie - $62 where I live (USA)
Vendetta Conversion Kit - $20 where I live (USA)

And the Vendetta Conversion kit doesn't even come with Instructions and just comes with 2 tiny little Lascannons for a grand total of $82 (not including Tax) per Vendetta.

I will never buy that again. HELLO EBAY!

*Edited for spelling.

I onlt wish you Americans realised how good you have it with pricing. $62 for a Valkyrie? Try $103 in Australia. Our Dollar is at over 0.96 US, too.

Want us to use ebay? Well that will e another $30 shipping, thanks UPS.

Ordo Dakka wrote:I onlt wish you Americans realised how good you have it with pricing. $62 for a Valkyrie? Try $103 in Australia. Our Dollar is at over 0.96 US, too.

Want us to use ebay? Well that will e another $30 shipping, thanks UPS.

Oh, I know. We in the States got it cushy when it comes to GW pricing. I've seen some AUD prices on some of GW's stuff, and knowing that the Australian Dollar is almost comparable to the American Dollar, some AUD prices are just plain ridiculous.

SaintHazard wrote:

Ordo Dakka wrote:I onlt wish you Americans realised how good you have it with pricing. $62 for a Valkyrie? Try $103 in Australia. Our Dollar is at over 0.96 US, too.

Want us to use ebay? Well that will e another $30 shipping, thanks UPS.

Oh, I know. We in the States got it cushy when it comes to GW pricing. I've seen some AUD prices on some of GW's stuff, and knowing that the Australian Dollar is almost comparable to the American Dollar, some AUD prices are just plain ridiculous.

Hmm, just curious, but what are the exchange rates these days? the average Valkyrie is about £35 over here in Blighty. What's that in US$?

So every box should come with every loadout?

So a long fangs box should have 5 missile launchers, 5 lascannons, 5 multimeltas, 5 plasmacannons, etc? Oh, and dont forget the plasma gun for the sarge, etc...

And you want the boxes to be affordable as well, yes? Lol.

They give you a selection of weapons to try to cater to as many people as possible. Wanting every possible combination is not only unrealistic, it is about as anti-sensible as you can get when it comes to selling boxes of plastic soldiers, from GWs perspective.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

Ordo Dakka wrote:I onlt wish you Americans realised how good you have it with pricing. $62 for a Valkyrie? Try $103 in Australia. Our Dollar is at over 0.96 US, too.

Want us to use ebay? Well that will e another $30 shipping, thanks UPS.

Oh, I know. We in the States got it cushy when it comes to GW pricing. I've seen some AUD prices on some of GW's stuff, and knowing that the Australian Dollar is almost comparable to the American Dollar, some AUD prices are just plain ridiculous.

Hmm, just curious, but what are the exchange rates these days? the average Valkyrie is about £35 over here in Blighty. What's that in US$?

1.00 USD = 0.633217 GBP currently.

So £35 would be $55.27.

Since Valk kits are $62 here, we pay a bit more than you do. Which isn't surprising, since GW is a UK-based company. I honestly don't know how many manufacturing plants GW has in the US, though.

nosferatu1001 wrote:So every box should come with every loadout?

So a long fangs box should have 5 missile launchers, 5 lascannons, 5 multimeltas, 5 plasmacannons, etc? Oh, and dont forget the plasma gun for the sarge, etc...

And you want the boxes to be affordable as well, yes? Lol.

They give you a selection of weapons to try to cater to as many people as possible. Wanting every possible combination is not only unrealistic, it is about as anti-sensible as you can get when it comes to selling boxes of plastic soldiers, from GWs perspective.

Less so when it comes to infantry load outs. If the sprues where available separately than it wouldn’t be an issue would it. I was simply saying how ridiculous it was that someone had to spend well over 150 us dollars to create a squad. That is not sustainable.

On vehicles, yes I don’t think it is unreasonable to be able to at least make a dreadnought standard from a codex perspective out of the box. Nor is it unrealistic to have two different Leman Russ kits allowing for different load outs. I.E. this box allows for these three load outs, this one allows for the other three. It is mildly slowed that I have to order a Dread multi melta from forge world or buy the starter kit to get a standard codex dreadnought.

A vendetta should not cost 82 dollars when it really isn’t that much of a variation.

Speaking of which, I think I asked this question before, but the Multi-Melta sponsons on the new Leman Russ kit look like they might slot into the gun-pods on the new Venerable Dreadnought kit. I got a negative answer last time and still haven't had the opportunity to check for myself.

War Trakks without a flamer, anyone? Not only do these models direly need a re-vamp, they dont come with the better options.

Ouze wrote:

svendrex wrote:If all of the options were included the boxes would probably double in cost for the amount of stuff you would get. This is especially true for tanks as some of the upgrade pieces are very large. If every tank came with a dozer blade, that is probably adding another sheet to the model kit. Going from 3 sheets to 4 is a 25% increase

I don't agree that's 100% true. Yes, it's a 25% plastic increase, but I don't know that means a 25% price increase, as the actual material cost of the plastic is probably not the biggest cost driver - I'd imagine marketing, labor, packaging, and shipping... adding more plastic to the box is not a linear scale as you propose.

I concur. If you ever have a chance to read their financial report, the cost of the plastic is negligible compared to their overhead. That's how they can sell 126 million quid worth of crap, and only keep 7.5 mil of it as profit...before taxes. And the only reason they managed that was because they jacked up prices and trimmed down their organization. Back in '08 they only kept 1 mil.

Tabletoptitan wrote:War Trakks without a flamer, anyone? Not only do these models direly need a re-vamp, they dont come with the better options.

...except that Wartrakks don't have the option to take a flamer. Warbuggies can be upgraded to Skorchas, but that's an entirely different model - that GW does sell.

Ouch.

SaintHazard 1, Tabletoptitan 0.

I guess the "t" in titan is in lowercase for a reason.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Not really sure what this thread is about. It's a tank kit that gives you the option of one of three turrets. It's missing the Guard Accessory Sprue, and that is a legitimate problem (especially as the price went up, yet you get less stuff).

The only real 'shame' GW should feel is for that abysmal 'new' Basilisk that is actually missing the pieces to make it a complete kit.

You should also be able to have the option of the armaggedon pattern basilisk and the medusa aswell.

God damn you folks. Back in the nineties models didn't even come with options. A tactical squad came with a flamer and a rocket launcher, plus two plasma pistols. A Leman Russ came with a stormbolter, heavy bolters for the sponsons and hull, and the battlecannon with no variation.

In other words, quit your whining. You're getting any options whatsoever, when just a few years ago you wouldn't have.

And GW doesn't even give complementary handjobs. What's up with that?

Man, the Tac Squad didn't have plaspistols until 4th ed. All they had for the Sarge was a single bare head, a single mk. 8 torso, one of the old cross-pole backpacks (without a banner, of course), one bolt pistol, and one chainsword.

Imagine a Nob box with all of the options

I could really use one of those, might impress the ladies.



sorry, will read the thread properly now the schoolboy humour is out of the way.

Kustom Mega Blaster sounds like a great name for an adult novelty.

Brother SRM wrote:God damn you folks. Back in the nineties models didn't even come with options. A tactical squad came with a flamer and a rocket launcher, plus two plasma pistols. A Leman Russ came with a stormbolter, heavy bolters for the sponsons and hull, and the battlecannon with no variation.

In other words, quit your whining. You're getting any options whatsoever, when just a few years ago you wouldn't have.

... because something used to suck worse, we shouldn't complain it sort of sucks now? That's... odd logic.

Yes, the options that are available are better then what they once were. No, the options available are not as good as what they could be, or in my opinion, they should be. If a dreadnought has an option for a plasma cannon, or a autocannon, or twin-linked heavy bolters, they should be in the box.

Academy 1/72 A-10 Hawg kit
lotza bombs

Hasegawa 1/72 A-10 Hawg kit
drop tanks and a couple of sidewinders if your lucky.
But hey, they sell a seperate box of bombs and gakk
which costs about the same as the Academy kit.

sorry, the analogy was staring me in the face for some reason Ouze

Could GW not make generic upgrade sprues to pop in the boxes of Lemon Russes?

nosferatu1001 wrote:

So a long fangs box should have 5 missile launchers, 5 lascannons, 5 multimeltas, 5 plasmacannons, etc? Oh, and dont forget the plasma gun for the sarge, etc...

Point taken on this front, and yeah, I agree ...the box would be big enough for a hobo

I was going by the initial posts topic on vehicles, which I believe, is doable

Nurglitch wrote:And GW doesn't even give complementary handjobs. What's up with that?

Nurglitch wrote:And GW doesn't even give complementary handjobs. What's up with that?

Yes, because asking GWS to include more then 3 out of the 7 options an assault sergeant can carry is equivalent to asking for that. Any reasonable person whould agree.

Perhaps - I'm just doing some crazy, pie-in-the-sky stuff here - they can fit that stuff in where they currently include 5 extra torsos. On the other hand, who would want a lighting claw or a thunder hammer rather then having 10 backpacks and 10 torsos in a 5 man box?

Th3ee Legged Dog wrote:I have a hrad time with what GW does with their sprues, namely when a box does not come out with the standard armerment for something out of the codex. For instance the Dreadnought is the perfect example, standard is a multi-melta and is arguebly the best load out for a dread in almost all applications. When you buy a dread it should come with the basic armorment.

We should point out that when that kit was first made, the Multi-Melta wasn't the standard kit for a Dread. That's a new thing for 5th Ed and, really, only because the Black Reach Dread is armed with exactly that. They were hedging their bets on new players getting the AoBR box and having that Dread (further solidifying the notion that GW's game is targeted at new players only).

Th3ee Legged Dog wrote:The fact that players are having to spend a ridiculous ammount of money to build something to specifications for their army is stupid. My room mate just bought two or three dev boxes to load out his Long fangs with Missile Launchers, and this was after raping my bits stash as well.

A simple answer to this would to bring back bits services on a much smaller scale, in my opinion.

I don't disagree there at all. The old bitz service was unsustainable. Having everything on sale individually was a very bad idea as having such a huge inventory is a waste of time, money and manpower. However, the current 'bitz service', if you can even all of that, is almost the complete oppposite - an utterly useless and overpriced waste of time for the consumers, however efficient and cheap it might be for GW. A middle ground - where plastic sprues are offered for sale at a not-hugely inflated price (CoD accessory sprue anyone?) and where GW did a little internal market research to find out what metal bits were the big sellers (GW doing market research? What a novel idea!), that would be the way to do it.

On the bright side though, GW's abysmal attempts at having their own bitz service did directly lead to the explosion of after-market 3rd party plastic bits sites - and that's a good thing!


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nickmund wrote:You should also be able to have the option of the armaggedon pattern basilisk and the medusa aswell.

Of course. The 'new' Basilisk kit is an epic fail from start to finish, a real slap-dash rush job from GW to release a "new" tank. You'll notice that it didn't get any more expensive - it's the same price it's been for a while now - and it's the only Guard tank kit that still comes with the Accessory Sprue - but they just threw the old sprues in with the generic 'Chimera Chassis' sprue and expected people to accept that as a 'new' kit. It's crazy.


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Ouze wrote:Perhaps - I'm just doing some crazy, pie-in-the-sky stuff here - they can fit that stuff in where they currently include 5 extra torsos. On the other hand, who would want a lighting claw or a thunder hammer rather then having 10 backpacks and 10 torsos in a 5 man box?

It'll happen.

Remember that the Assault Marine box hasn't been 'new' for a long, long time, and since then we've seen GW revolutionise the way their do their sprues. For a better example, look at the Commander and Command Squad Sprues. These are both fantastic kits (other than the maddening fact that the Commander kit only has one friggin' Lightning Claw - what were they thinking???), but take a look at their sprues. They're virtually empty. Now take a look at the recent Wolf and Death Company sprues - there's hardly a speck of spare space! Now imagine a re-done Commander and Command Squad sprue. Think of how much else they could fit on them? Now go back to the Assault Marine sprue, and look at just how chunky the non-model plastic is, how much empty space there is, and how there's probably more 'sprue' in there than actual models. Imagine that redone.

As I said, it'll happen. The Assault Marine, Commander and Command Squad boxes will get redone and have a better use of space and a wealth of options much like the Dev, Wolf and BA boxes have now. We won't get it 'til 6th Ed comes about, but it's a foregone conclusion to expect GW's great new sprue tech to be used on their highest selling product not long from now.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Now take a look at the recent Wolf and Death Company sprues - there's hardly a speck of spare space! Now imagine a re-done Commander and Command Squad sprue. Think of how much else they could fit on them? Now go back to the Assault Marine sprue,

Your sprue is now diamonds.

LOL!

You know I wasn't actually going for that, but now that you point it out.


I'm on a horse

The Tau Skyray kit comes with all the parts needed to make a Hammerhead.....

Fetterkey wrote:Man, the Tac Squad didn't have plaspistols until 4th ed. All they had for the Sarge was a single bare head, a single mk. 8 torso, one of the old cross-pole backpacks (without a banner, of course), one bolt pistol, and one chainsword.

Not sure if this is correct... Pretty sure the tac squads (and Grey hunters,which is what I had) in 3rd/2nd came with the pistol and CCW mini-sprues.

IIRC, Pistol had a Plasma, tons of Las and a few autopistols with maybe one bolt pistol.

The CCW had chainsword, power sword and power axe along with a few knives.

Don't forget that the Razorback kit comes with all the parts to make a Rhino, for what, $2 more?

I'm moreso upset that the Tyranid Warrior didn't get redone so that there's more than one plastic Tyranid Warrior model.

There comes a time when a man must spit on his hands and hoist the Icon of Khorne...