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Old One Eye wrote:How about giving the loincloth he wears some kind of special ability in exchange for no armor save ( obviously still needs a ward save ) How about:

Oh My God! : Sigmar rips his loincloth off in a bloody frenzy, upon seeing what he is packing all enemy male models withing 12 inches lose heart and are at a -3 LD
until the end of the turn. One use only.

kastellan wrote:I like that ^ And all women models have to pass a leadership test to attack him, coz they are so infatuated with him that they don't really want to.

Do you know how tempting it is to put that rule on there lol

Jake Bake A Cake wrote:

Ravenum wrote:hahahaha I hope this topic does not end up in that direction.

anyway on the topic : no armour save instead just give him something like a parry save +5 for his Demi god fighting skills

Or you could just have a re-rollable ward save. That might work.

Lol that would he much nastier than the ward

Much nastier true but it could make sense. They dude is half naked and can still smash it out in the middle of a battle. Giving him no armour is pretty accurate fluff wise but makes him a little under protected in game. A re-rollable ward save just makes sense.

Yes he has 5 wounds and T5 but still, if you're paying out a bucket load of points for this guy you want him to be on the table a LONG time.

A little unprotected -.- Really?! Did you see his stats?! Something needs to balance those things out lol.

He's a demi-god of sorts. Those stats are warranted =P

He should be toughness 4 and strength 4 what makes him 5/6 hes still human, he isnt as strong as a dragon =(. He also doesnt need the strength as his hammer auto wounds but atleast his stats will look more realistic.

3+ wards enough of a save combined with the fact he gets back up and will never get run down due to unbreakable, a loincloths not as good as heavy armour lol.

bennyboy6189 wrote:He should be toughness 4 and strength 4 what makes him 5/6 hes still human, he isnt as strong as a dragon =(. He also doesnt need the strength as his hammer auto wounds but atleast his stats will look more realistic.

3+ wards enough of a save combined with the fact he gets back up and will never get run down due to unbreakable, a loincloths not as good as heavy armour lol.

I think maybe the S6 is a little OTT but T5 isn't too unreasonable. That's a good point about the auto wounds though.

I agree the loin cloth special rules are a little weird. It's not a cape (Like the HE White Lions have) so I don't see how it offers up extra protection to shooting. At most I'd call it Light Armour. As for the+2 A and +1 S, that would make him S7 0.0 with a total of 6 attacks that confer D3 wounds each. On a (very) lucky roll you're looking at a total of 18 wounds with ONE swing.

Okay guys, I editted it again.

Can someone help with the points for him as I dont know whether 600 pts is reasonable or too little. =P

@ jake i wasn't reffering to his loincloth for the (armour save against shooting) i was referring on the animal cloak on his back there is a picture of him in the BRB smashing some orcs.

@OP 6 Movement is too fast for a human demi god make it 5 or better yet 4. and add str for that is something like his known for maybe 5 or 6? it would not matter that much in combat because of ghal, though str 4 on sigmar sounds abit low
and for points wise i would say i would even 800pts for him sounds cheap, he could slay a Lord on a dragon so easily.

T5 is unreasonable theres no human thats toughness 5 lol and its against the fluff in the books he struggles in fights he isnt invinsible.

Look how hard tyrion is but hes a poor elf so hes toughness 3 it would be abit lame if he was 4 just because hes a main character in history.Dwarf kings are only t5 and strength 4 so if you want him to fit in make his stats like a human. His power lies in his amazing special rules.

Ravenum wrote:@ jake i wasn't reffering to his loincloth for the (armour save against shooting) i was referring on the animal cloak on his back there is a picture of him in the BRB smashing some orcs

My mistake, I haven't seen that picture yet =S Was only going off what I could get out of the Empire Army Book.

bennyboy6189 wrote:
T5 is unreasonable theres no human thats toughness 5 lol and its against the fluff in the books he struggles in fights he isnt invinsible.

Look how hard tyrion is but hes a poor elf so hes toughness 3 it would be abit lame if he was 4 just because hes a main character in history.Dwarf kings are only t5 and strength 4 so if you want him to fit in make his stats like a human. His power lies in his amazing special rules.

I did say T5 isn't toooooo unreasonable. It's only one higher then you're average human, same with S5. Though I do think you've got the right idea with making him T4 & S4, special characters are special because of their rules, not always because of their stats. Though this isn't always the case. Malekith (The Witch King) is an dark elf with S5 and T4 PLUS a bunch of special rules. He is an absolute monster. ahahaa

Malekiths burnt to a charcoal his skin is hard as nails its just scar tissue thats why hes tougness 4 lol =).

Well unless he's been popping some serious quantities of roids I think he's a prime example why Sigmar can have S5. Sure he 5000+ years old but he is still a Dark Elf at heart. If he can have a boosted stat what can't the god-like Sigmar?

Because Sigmar wasn't a god at the founding of the Empire. He was just a regular tribal chieftan that united the Empire and was made a god because of this.

kastellan wrote:Because Sigmar wasn't a god at the founding of the Empire. He was just a regular tribal chieftan that united the Empire and was made a god because of this.

True enough that we was just a regular tribal chieftain but the fact remains he was also a heroic figure that could easily hold his own in battle against staggering odds. Hence why his legend has created one of the most powerful faiths in The Empire.

Against barbarians as he wasn't around at the time of platemail and what not. We are looking too far into this -.-

He stuggled against a dragon ogre, while malus darkblade 1 hit killed an ancient shaggoth so if you go by the fluff his stats need to be dropped as malus is toughness 3 and strength 4.

Malus can also summon a demon's strength which is an advantage, plus having the Warpsword is always handy. And if he was struggling against a dragon ogre there must of been some shocking rolling going on.


And there probably was platemail, the dwarves would've used it, or something very similar. The only reason the Empire has access to platemail is through the dwarves and at such times their relationship wasn't exactly best friends, Sigmar did change that though.
Lol. To be honest we are still only basing most of this on lore found in books, most of it is guessing.

We could do this all day i just think he was a normal empire general like karl franz excpet he had very good people skills and managed to ally alot of people. His stats make grimgor ironhides bad and hes got to be the strongest guy in warhammer.

Wasn't just your everyday general though, he was crazy in combat. And you can't just give him Franz's stats. Where's the fun in that.

You could go along with that this is how the legends portrayed him seeing though he's seen as a god. Thousands upon thousands on men in the Empire devote their lives to The Cult of Sigmar, there has to be something grand about him.

He forged the empire thats why they worship him, he isnt a god as in he has super powers or is invinsible etc he should have say karl franz stats +2 weapon skill and init and + all his specail rules which would be the reason hes so powerful.

Legends get exxagerated over time he killed a few marauders.

Check what Aenarion killed now hes a legend.

Killed a number of orcs too haha

Then maybe this Sigmar should be named The Legendary Sigmar. All we have to go off id the fluff given but the books which puts him as a god-like figure that is one of the most worshipped figure in The Empire.

Maybe the stats could be toned down a bit to closer match a human with the addition I and WS in addition to his special rules but the cost would need to be longer a LOT. Like more than half...

Jake Bake A Cake wrote:Killed a number of orcs too haha

Then maybe this Sigmar should be named The Legendary Sigmar. All we have to go off id the fluff given but the books which puts him as a god-like figure that is one of the most worshipped figure in The Empire.

Maybe the stats could be toned down a bit to closer match a human with the addition I and WS in addition to his special rules but the cost would need to be longer a LOT. Like more than half...

After much reading I decided to change the name to what Jake has put because I cant be bothered too change the stats again


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bennyboy6189 wrote:He stuggled against a dragon ogre, while malus darkblade 1 hit killed an ancient shaggoth so if you go by the fluff his stats need to be dropped as malus is toughness 3 and strength 4.

The only person Skulltaker has lost to is Sigmar so he has to pretty powerful to beat a beast like skulltaker

Yeah he is but not a toughness 5 beast =). As i said his stats should be, human you cant just say someone is hard so make his stats like a dragon, you have to make his rules godly.

well for i know sigmar is a Human by all means. only the empire see him as a god. but no 1 can deny he is blessed by (old ones, might be ulric)
i think i will agree on benny here. i recently reading on the fluff about him. make his stats more close to an empire lord maybe just a lil more but the stat should still show his still a human. and Sigmar should be defined by his Special rules.

well i;m eating my previous post of improve stats (though the more str on his stats could be define by being blessed by the Fury/Rage of Ulric)

oh and may add sigmar is not a god he is a Primarch

Reading what everyone has said i'll give in, i'll take away 1T and whatever else to make him look more human

I'll keep WS as it is as that way hes even against Skulltaker's WS and i'll base some of his stats of Skully but will change them to make them look different =P

I'd be happy with that statline along with the rules. Yes he's still is pretty powerful but hey, it's Sigmar =P

Effectively he is the same as Karl Franz now but with a higher WS and I which you could put down to being because at the time of the Sigmar the men were 'barbarian', not nancy boys hiding behind armour if any one questioned it.

Still unsure about 950 points but I'm not sure how much lower it should go.

Jake Bake A Cake wrote:I'd be happy with that statline along with the rules. Yes he's still is pretty powerful but hey, it's Sigmar =P

Effectively he is the same as Karl Franz now but with a higher WS and I which you could put down to being because at the time of the Sigmar the men were 'barbarian', not nancy boys hiding behind armour if any one questioned it.

Still unsure about 950 points but I'm not sure how much lower it should go.

950 pts is as much I think he should but I'm still undecided

Definitely no higher. Was actually thinking the other direction... but I may be a tad bias as an Empire player. Would like to see what others think on the matter

Hahah good point on sigmar as a barbarian. unlike the thin modern empire human.