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Well it's trueeeee....

Name one soldier in an empire army that would gladly waltz into battle without a shirt on. Sigmar, to put it bluntly, has balls lol

With 3 attacks you cant really put him above 700 points as he can only add 3 combat resolution a turn, the only reason hes good is his unbreakable ability.

Everyone back then was naked until alaric the mad taught them how to make armour and good weapons and then sigmar did wear armour, aswell as most people in the empire.

I thought alaric the mad was first responsible for the Runefangs which weren't presented to the empire 50 years after Sigmar left...

But any ways, I wouldn't really go higher then 600pts. Yes he is going to be pretty tricky to kill and he can be a huge benefit to your army but like you mentioned, +3 to combat resolution isn't exactly something to write home about.

He did make the runefangs but he was also the person to teach empire blacksmiths etc to make good quality armour and weapons as i think they were using bronze before he taught them.

I think he should have 4 attacks minimum otherwise i would rather just take a normal general with a runefang.

What we neglected to calculate was the fact each wound is D3 wounds, so that's now a max of +9 combat resolution.

4 attacks could work. That's what Franz sits at.

If he was say 500pts I'd easily take him over a general w/runefang. He causes terror, is pretty hard to kill and can easily assist steadfast statetroops in actually win combat. Not to mention he makes a pretty mean character killer.

You don't need to worry about steadfast you are unbreakable already hahahahha and other you units around him are the same OMG.

500 will still a bit cheap though imho, for being a powerful force multiplier i suggest around 600-650pts lol archaon?


at for the Rule "Protector of the Empire--- Sigmar protects the Empires lands, in challenges, he re-rolls to hit against enemy units "

can i suggest ASF instead of of the reroll to hit against enemy units. he is already I8 so even with out it he will strike first most of the time. atleast by giving him this other Units with ASF or Higher Initiative against him cancels out the reroll to Hit.

4 reroll to hit +autowound then d3 wound ROFL

Heh Jake I'd never let you use him in an army anyway. Way too OP for my liking haha.

Ravenum wrote:4 reroll to hit +autowound then d3 wound ROFL

Hmmmm... I do like the sound of that. And for 675pts, sounds good

And I'd need an army of at least 2700 points first before I even think about putting him in. Although I do have a very Sigmar looking model floating around.

Well at that points I'd have 4 DRAGONS!! haha I wish lol.

Actually.... Almost 3 if it was 2800 I think. 2 Dragon mages and a lord of some description, that's if you didn't care that your heroes slot is two lvl 1 mages with no magic items hahaha

Also about the ASF rule, though it would mean other high I characters could attack back... If he doesn't fight in a challenge he will just demolish units straight away. Think the rule is ok at the moment unless there's something I'm missing.

hahaha either way he will demolish the unit

ASF will be abit of a downgrade for sigmar. i see it to just make him balance abit. I the reroll to hit on everything way too much

1. sigmar will loose reroll to hit on High Initiative models
2. if a model has ASF. they cancel out each other (most likely sigmar will still hit first cause of I8)
3. he still gets re roll to hit on most of the models in world of warhammer.

i think the we should put a resitriction/ Special Rule

only Grand alliance army can include him. then again mostlikely nobody could field him

Well you're looking at a grand army size any ways. The minimum for the army he can be in is 2700pts. Adding the extra rule 'Can only be included in a grand army' seems to be reasonable.

I've taken away terror because as intimidating as see a butch, loincloth-wearing, hammer-weilding man-god is, I think that he wont intimidate based on the other armies wont be scared much by him even with his reputation.

Maybe just change it to 'Fear'. As in to say he has a reputation of stomping his foes into the ground and those feint at heart rarely wish to enter combat against him.

Jake Bake A Cake wrote:Maybe just change it to 'Fear'. As in to say he has a reputation of stomping his foes into the ground and those feint at heart rarely wish to enter combat against him.

Good point

Jake, when you multiply wounds they do not carry over to other models.

So even though Sigmar's attacks would cause D3 wounds, he would still only be able to kill 3 RNF models per turn. Each models unsaved wound would become a D3 wound. Won't matter as it only applies to that model, of which 1 is usually enough to kill it.

It would however come into affect with multi-wound models. There your wounds would carry over, per se. If each model had 3 wounds, and his 3 attacks did 8 wounds, 2 models would die, and 1 would have 1 wound left.

In terms of points though, bear minimum is 650. The fact that he can get back up after taking his last wound means with a BSB nearby he is likely never going to die in combat. He would have to be killed by other means.

Omegalightning wrote:
The only person Skulltaker has lost to is Sigmar so he has to pretty powerful to beat a beast like skulltaker

Sigmar's stats are similar to those of the arch lectors.
WS4 S4 W3 A2... and so on.

How'd he kick so much ass? It's the bling baby.

I'd bet he's got a speculum in his pocket, along with the Autopass characteristic tests/6+ ward.

And that loin cloth? Looks like light armor, -1 to hit me.

And the weapon? Well, sigmar is old school, from way back before their was a 100 point cap on magic gear. I'd bet he'd have the +3 attacks hammer or something.



Really though, if sigmar had such a monster stat line, shouln't warrior priests be better?

-Matt

Lehnsherr wrote:Jake, when you multiply wounds they do not carry over to other models.

So even though Sigmar's attacks would cause D3 wounds, he would still only be able to kill 3 RNF models per turn. Each models unsaved wound would become a D3 wound. Won't matter as it only applies to that model, of which 1 is usually enough to kill it.

It would however come into affect with multi-wound models. There your wounds would carry over, per se. If each model had 3 wounds, and his 3 attacks did 8 wounds, 2 models would die, and 1 would have 1 wound left.

In terms of points though, bear minimum is 650. The fact that he can get back up after taking his last wound means with a BSB nearby he is likely never going to die in combat. He would have to be killed by other means.

Yeh I did mess that up a little =S Did end up realising this the other day when it came up in another thread =)

Good point about the BSB though. That slipped my mind.

As for why Warrior Priests aren't better, Sigmar wasn't a priest. He was a chieftain of his tribe and a warrior to be reckoned with. Warrior Priests (And the Arch Lectors who lead them) are followers of The Cult of Sigmar. That and as it's been discussed before Sigmar was around when the Empire wasn't even founded yet and these humans were accentually barbarians who in order to survive had to be prepared to fight all those baddies out there. The Warrior Priests are from a time where sure there is still war and stuff but their role is more to inspire the army rather than actually lead it in battle.

Just my little opinion on it. I've been known to be off track before though.

HawaiiMatt wrote:

Omegalightning wrote:
The only person Skulltaker has lost to is Sigmar so he has to pretty powerful to beat a beast like skulltaker

Sigmar's stats are similar to those of the arch lectors.
WS4 S4 W3 A2... and so on.

How'd he kick so much ass? It's the bling baby.

I'd bet he's got a speculum in his pocket, along with the Autopass characteristic tests/6+ ward.

And that loin cloth? Looks like light armor, -1 to hit me.

And the weapon? Well, sigmar is old school, from way back before their was a 100 point cap on magic gear. I'd bet he'd have the +3 attacks hammer or something.



Really though, if sigmar had such a monster stat line, shouln't warrior priests be better?

-Matt

Remember sigmar only wear a small loincloth i don't think theres a place for a pocket

Jake Bake A Cake wrote:

Lehnsherr wrote:Jake, when you multiply wounds they do not carry over to other models.

So even though Sigmar's attacks would cause D3 wounds, he would still only be able to kill 3 RNF models per turn. Each models unsaved wound would become a D3 wound. Won't matter as it only applies to that model, of which 1 is usually enough to kill it.

It would however come into affect with multi-wound models. There your wounds would carry over, per se. If each model had 3 wounds, and his 3 attacks did 8 wounds, 2 models would die, and 1 would have 1 wound left.

In terms of points though, bear minimum is 650. The fact that he can get back up after taking his last wound means with a BSB nearby he is likely never going to die in combat. He would have to be killed by other means.

Yeh I did mess that up a little =S Did end up realising this the other day when it came up in another thread =)

Good point about the BSB though. That slipped my mind.

As for why Warrior Priests aren't better, Sigmar wasn't a priest. He was a chieftain of his tribe and a warrior to be reckoned with. Warrior Priests (And the Arch Lectors who lead them) are followers of The Cult of Sigmar. That and as it's been discussed before Sigmar was around when the Empire wasn't even founded yet and these humans were accentually barbarians who in order to survive had to be prepared to fight all those baddies out there. The Warrior Priests are from a time where sure there is still war and stuff but their role is more to inspire the army rather than actually lead it in battle.

Just my little opinion on it. I've been known to be off track before though.

if theres a a warrior priest at the time of sigmar most likely it will be warrior priest of Ulric as sigmar himself worship the wolf god

Ravenum wrote:if theres a a warrior priest at the time of sigmar most likely it will be warrior priest of Ulric as sigmar himself worship the wolf god

Touche. Did forget about Ulric at this stage.