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Am paying close attention. All DE Battle reports will help when it comes to me building my new force. So thanks.

jy2 wrote:Great 3 games so far. Very informative and also entertaining. Great use of vassal to create the maps. I take it you actually played on vassal, no?

All games are playing at my local gaming store. I will make sure to point this out at the start of each of my battle reports. Thank you for the 'suggestion'

In Game 2 (vs Tau), during Tau Turn 3, it appears the Tau player moved one of his devilfishes more than 12" (unless the map is not to scale) to reach the middle tower/objective. Devilfishes, though they are skimmers, are not fast so cannot move more than 12".

The maps are not to scale. It takes me 2 hours to make one of these things without using the little ruler! I will also make sure that reader understand the maps are not to scale at the start of each battle report. Thanks for this other 'suggestion'!

Brother Ramses wrote:In your second game against the Tau, you cannot have landed your Raider on the upper floor of the ruins in the center. There is a specific list of what units can move to the upper floors of ruins and skimmers are not included.

I think you missed this disclaimer in the battle report;

"Note - The centerpiece tower counts as both a ruin, on the top floor, and a building. There is a single access point. So to get to the top floor, you either have to 'fly' up there, or enter through the only door on the ground level, which is facing the Tau player."

This terrain piece is both a building and a ruin, but the Ruin is on the top floor of the building, so in all actuality, the ruin is only a single level.

Hope that helps!

I really liked the reports - vassel does make the report better so thank you for your time and patience with the pics!!!

Question (because this happened to me too):

When playing with the Grotesques and the 2 Haemys - the pain tokens make them fearless however, when the Grotesques died out, did they die with their pain token or did they pass on the pain token to the ancients?

How did you play it?

The unit has the pain token, that means the Haemy's still have the pain tokens because they were joined to the unit.

Pain tokens are pooled by a unit as a whole.

If an IC with a pain token joins a unit without a pain token, the entire unit is considered to have the pain token. If the IC then leaves the unit, then either the unit keeps the token, or the IC takes it with them.

If the joined IC & unit have two pain tokens when the IC leaves, then the tokens have to be divided as evenly as possible.

Now, if the IC & unit are together, they are considered a single unit until such time as the IC detaches from the unit. As such, if a unit with a joined IC is destroyed down to just the IC, then that IC would keep any and all pain tokens.

On a related note, you could join an IC with no pain tokens to a unit of Grotesques who have one pain token, then have the IC later leave the Grotesques and take their pain token with him.

I updated my third battle report....

Not only did I screw my opponent over by fielding an illegal Wrack unit, I also screwed myself over!

1) I did not notice that Wracks have 2 attacks 'base' because I did not notice they carry two poison blades.

2) I have never used poison before in CC, so I had no idea you reroll poison wound rolls under certain circumstances!

So now I feel better about that game. Both players got screwed equally

Kwi wrote:I really liked the reports - vassel does make the report better so thank you for your time and patience with the pics!!

I try my best to make the battle reports make sense visually and textually. I am glad you enjoy them!

Thank you for the info on the unit having the 3 tokens - easy to understand it that way.

My friend that I was playing thought I could "lose" a token on purpose as to not make them "fearless" whenever I wanted or to suit my purposes but that didn't seem fair really.

Consider me a fan of the reports!

Cheers.

My god.... My grammar and spelling in my third report is horrible! I did not notice until I read through it 'outside' the editing function I normally read it in for my blog.

I'll make sure to proof read my future reports and clean up as many errors as I can.


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Game 4 is up! How will the Ultramarines fair against my updated Heamonculi Coven?

http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/10/dark-eldar-versus-ultramarines-game-4.html

Great Game! However in game 4 when the rhino pivoted and the marines got out, they would not have been able to assault. What do you think about taking Urien for the +1 str to Grotesques?

Thanks for the reports.
I have no had a chance to look at a DE codex yet and Wont until my pre order comes in. So your reports are exciting and giving me sneak previews of what units I can have.


Only problem I have is people keep telling me my Old DE count as proxies not actual DE models and that I will have to replace them.

But I want to see a match against Tyranids! I hear DE do well against them and I want to see if your opponent can pull a win off without you going light on him.

Sigmatron wrote:What do you think about taking Urien for the +1 str to Grotesques?

I am going to give it a whirl, but, they still have to avoid Walkers with AV12+. It could take ages to destroy one in combat even with strength 6.

syanticraven wrote:Only problem I have is people keep telling me my Old DE count as proxies not actual DE models and that I will have to replace them.

You can use whatever DE models you want. You don't have to replace your models if you don't want to.

But I want to see a match against Tyranids! I hear DE do well against them and I want to see if your opponent can pull a win off without you going light on him.

I have a match versus Tyranids coming soon 2500 point 'Ard Boyz slug fest to the death as a matter of fact!

Then that good sir I look forward too!

Great Report and Thread!

The mass access to "destructor" (liquifiers) is insane! I love all the options that DE have now. Now they are viable against hordes and Elite armies!

Interesting battle. You would have been in trouble if the game went on, but on the other hand your opponent cheated you (Command Squads can't assault after firing plasguns, which are Rapid Fire weapons), so I suppose fate saw that and decided you deserved recompense. I'm not sold on the list, to be honest-- I think the Ironclad demonstrated why 10 Grotesques is probably not the best unit of all time. I would consider cutting that unit down and maybe picking up a Ravager or two if possible-- your anti-tank seems very, very limited for the points value.

These battle reports are awesome. Looking forward to more. However to me right now it seems as though these new dark eldar rules are a little overpowered, as they have a strength in every aspect of the game, and absolutely no weaknesses. Does anybody else feel this way?

Game 5 is up!

1500 Cirque de Commorragh versus Ultramarines - Game 5

rivers64 wrote:These battle reports are awesome. Looking forward to more. However to me right now it seems as though these new dark eldar rules are a little overpowered, as they have a strength in every aspect of the game, and absolutely no weaknesses. Does anybody else feel this way?

Fire a bolter at a Raider, and see what our Weakness is

Well that was very interesting list. Was interesting to see the Beastmasters at work, not a fan of that little anti-tank but you played it very well.

Sigmatron wrote:Well that was very interesting list. Was interesting to see the Beastmasters at work, not a fan of that little anti-tank but you played it very well.

There is plenty of anti tank. It is just in the form of ripping off tank treads with the unit's bare hands! Part of the reason why my opponent kept his Rhinos as far away from my Beasts as possible!

I've been playing Dark Lance heavy lists for 12 years. For me, it is about time to change that pace for a while, ya know?

Yea I know. I generally deem anti-tank as things that can drop AV 14 and I don't know the Beasts stats. They are kind of appealing after seeing them used.

Sigmatron wrote:Yea I know. I generally deem anti-tank as things that can drop AV 14 and I don't know the Beasts stats. They are kind of appealing after seeing them used.

The Beasts can't touch AV 14. So going less anti-Mech than those 4 Warrior squads is going to be an issue for me.

Awesome battles. Just wondering if you were ever planning on trying out the webway portal. It looks interesting to play with different strategies for it.

I believe he said he was going to try it out. Just hasn't gotten there yet.

Great reports on the marines. What are your views on the Wych squads? Are they worth it or not?

rivers64 wrote:Awesome battles. Just wondering if you were ever planning on trying out the webway portal. It looks interesting to play with different strategies for it.

Yes sir, I will be making a few lists with Web Way Portals in the near future. I play roughly 2 - 4 games a week, so it won't be too soon. Especially since it takes me anywhere from 3 - 5 hours to create an online battle report.

Daemon Eater wrote:Great reports on the marines. What are your views on the Wych squads? Are they worth it or not?

Why don't you check them out in action?

1000 Wych Cult versus Space Wolves - Game 6

I love the idea behind your army in Game 5

LOL well that report told me the answer I needed. Great game that poor SW player didnt know what he was facing.

I have definitely enjoyed reading these reports Buffo. I am curious what makes the 'Defensive Grenades' the Wych's have different from standard defensive grenades. I may be incorrect, but I was under the impression units still received a counter attack bonus for defensive grenades being present (I run some Daemonettes and had an opponent pull this on me pg 4 SW FAQ on Ragnar).

I have not seen the codex, so it might be some peculiarity of wording I am unaware of.

Nice experiment! There will be some really interesting data coming out of this.

calypso2ts wrote:I have definitely enjoyed reading these reports Buffo. I am curious what makes the 'Defensive Grenades' the Wych's have different from standard defensive grenades. I may be incorrect, but I was under the impression units still received a counter attack bonus for defensive grenades being present (I run some Daemonettes and had an opponent pull this on me pg 4 SW FAQ on Ragnar).

I have not seen the codex, so it might be some peculiarity of wording I am unaware of.

Well, first off, I fully understand what forum this is and who the people that run it are. I will make this clear just this once, and only once, because I am not going to devolve this thread into a pointless debate.

At our store, most players only use the Erratas that GW publishes. We take the FAQ section with a grain of salt as they are just house rules no matter WHO publishes them. Defensive Grenades work against Counter Attacking units where we play. Unless GW publishes an ERRATA reversing the rules, we keep things 100% official whenever possible. If a player wants to house rule something, we do it before the game. Case in point, if the Space Wolf player wanted to have Counter Attack not be affected by Defensive Grenades, he could have told me before the game, and I would be 100% fine with it! Would this particular game have been any different? No, not really. He would have got maybe an extra kill point, but since the Wyches all strike before the pups, the extra attacks wouldn't have mattered anyway.

I am not trying to sound insulting, or condescending, or anything like that, but I've been on 40k forums long enough to know what kind of 'pile' I may be stepping in here, so please respect that this is how our games are played, and lets move on, thank you

As for your question, Phantasm Grenade Launchers just give units Defensive Grenades. There is nothing 'special' about them!

(I know people will attempt to continue this discussion in here, but I will not respond to any posts on this subject unless it has an relevance to the Battle Report itself. I am just trying to be as gentlemanly and respectful as possible!)

Don't worry about it bro. No one here cares if you don't use the INAT FAQ. Yak has been abundantly clear that it is simply a resource for people to use or not, nothing more.

Looking forward to more reports though.