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I personally play against Black Templars on a regular basis, so I can give a bit of insight.

Overall, Blessed Hull is a pain in the ass. If you run Reavers, you have a couple melta shots, so you have options to pop the thing, but otherwise it means going for glancing hits with Dark Lances. However, I've found that simply ignoring the LR (if there is only one) works just as well. DE can outpace the Black Templar player, so by popping his other transports and tying up my infantry (Hellions) in CC, his termis in the LR are rendered fairly useless. Then, once I've demech'd the rest of the army, I turn the rest of my DLs on the Land Raider and attempt to glance over and over. I run about 15 DL in my 1500 point list, which i think is average. That means ~10 will hit, and ~ 1.67 will glance. Out of those two glances, you should be able to either shake or immobilise the LR, taking it out of the equation.


Sorry for the mini-hijack, felt I could answer that decently.

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1500 Coven versus Ultramarines - Game 9

Glad to see grotesques doing so well.

I'm going to convert some OK Bulls into grotesques using gs, guitar wire, screen patch kits and some other bits and bobs.

I look forward to PK's vision of wracks and grotesques. So far DE have been both fun to build and fun to paint with stunning results.

In the entire battle – remind me how many times you failed a flickerfield save?

Fateweaver wrote:I'm going to convert some OK Bulls into grotesques using gs, guitar wire, screen patch kits and some other bits and bobs.

My Grotesques are Ogre Bulls as well. My Wracks are various Beastmen and Lizardmen.

Sounded awesome with the grotesques only killing a drop pod

Maybe they'll do better against less mobile foes

kenshin620 wrote:Maybe they'll do better against less mobile foes

You can't get less mobile than a Drop pod! lol

Good battles I can not wait till my DE arrive.

If you have any tips for starting up A DE army I am all ears.

Like the batreps, cant wait to see your painted army!

I look forward to trying 6 with Urien coming out a WWP. I know it's not the best tactic but until I get more Raiders 98% of my army comes out a WWP.

Then again at 1250 lack of raiders meaning lack of AT hasn't been a huge issue.

I'm also loving my Talos with TL-Heat Lance. It can't really be ignored and at 1250 most armies I've played can't seem to generate the firepower to kill it and also have enough fire to deal with everything else.

Can we have a game or two against necrons?

Great game against that marine player

Necronicus wrote:Can we have a game or two against necrons?

There is a new Necron player in the store who just switched from Chaos to Necrons last week. No joke!

I have a game with him queued up at some point. I will have many more with him as well as the weeks go by!

You wish has been granted!

Have you played against some broken Mech guard yet? I'm wondering whether it is indeed the no-win scenario it seems.

yes i do not see anything against IG...

comrade_nikolai wrote:Have you played against some broken Mech guard yet? I'm wondering whether it is indeed the no-win scenario it seems.

I have a game that is going to be up soon in which I stuck 34 Darklight weapons in a 1500 point game in an all cheesed out anti-mech build. The game itself is rather, boring for obvious reasons, but I can fit more Darklight weapons in the new book in a 1500 point army than I ever could in the old book, and back in the old book I had no problem with Mech of any kind. Except Monoliths, lol....

Hey, BuFFo:

Tonight I played against a Tyranid player and finally realized a DE dream of mine

He had a massive assault block of a Winged Tyrant, 8 Shrikes, and a Trygon Prime all together. I locked up the Shrikes and the Tyrant in individual combats with a unit of wyches each, and hit the Prime with my Archon/Bloodbride unit.

Hehe....I Huskbladed the Tyranid Prime and Soul Trapping it.

We had to quit 'cuz the store was about to close, but my next turn was likely to see my Archon 'blading the Tyrant and upping his strength to 10.

Saldiven wrote:He had a massive assault block of a Winged Tyrant, 8 Shrikes, and a Trygon Prime all together. I locked up the Shrikes and the Tyrant in individual combats with a unit of wyches each, and hit the Prime with my Archon/Bloodbride unit.

Did you have Impalers in the Wych unit?

We had to quit 'cuz the store was about to close, but my next turn was likely to see my Archon 'blading the Tyrant and upping his strength to 10.

Did it feel good to hold such power in your hands?

I too thought "wow, not a SINGLE failed flickerfield save....very nice."

Those work in close combat too? Was a bit surprised.

Speaking of surprised, was very amazed at the marine list. Just....wow. Vanguards? Missle/flamer? No combat squads? Sitting the 5 man squads in the back with missle launchers would have been a better dawn of war deployment methinks, letting the rest come on the board afterwards. Not a very smart move by the marine player, with not a very smart list. I think even with that list though, some smarter moves [and a couple failed flickerfield saves, even one!] and you'd have lost badly.

Oh, and if he wanted that last marine that rolled snake eyes to get out of combat so he could shoot at you or tank shock you [both viable options, the tank shock probably being the best of them] he could have voluntarily failed his morale check. People always forget combat tactics....

I will have to agree with Buffo. Those flicker fields are friggin life saviours! I have used them in two tournaments so far, and they have been game changers at the most amazing times!

You should post some batreps if you have time Iago!

BuFFo wrote:I have a game that is going to be up soon in which I stuck 34 Darklight weapons in a 1500 point game in an all cheesed out anti-mech build. The game itself is rather, boring for obvious reasons, but I can fit more Darklight weapons in the new book in a 1500 point army than I ever could in the old book, and back in the old book I had no problem with Mech of any kind. Except Monoliths, lol....

Really? I had all sorts of problems even if I took all lances, they're only S8 and AP2, there's still a lot of luck involved.

How about an all comers list? I can't imagine 34 lance weapons being all that good against a lot of other lists, I imagine the last thing you want is 18" range trueborn near a lot of things after you pop their transports. Anything not tailored to take mech guard? (in case you haven't noticed I really have a thing against mech guard...)

BuFFo wrote:

Saldiven wrote:He had a massive assault block of a Winged Tyrant, 8 Shrikes, and a Trygon Prime all together. I locked up the Shrikes and the Tyrant in individual combats with a unit of wyches each, and hit the Prime with my Archon/Bloodbride unit.

Did you have Impalers in the Wych unit?

Actually, the Archon is in a unit of Bloodbrides with three Impalers. The idea is that the wyches get into BTB with as much of the enemy unit as possible while the Impaler models snuggle up close to the Archon. The idea is to prevent more than one enemy model from being in base with the Archon and to inflict a negative three modifier on that model's attacks. Hopefully, the Archon will rarely ever have to face more than one incoming attack at a time, thus maximizing his survivability. It has worked pretty darn well thus far. The combination of Archon and Syren with Agnonizer are what really does the damage in the unit.

In an 1100pt game I played last week against the stores owner (his first 40k game with 'nids so it was bad for him either way) my Bloodbrides were the MVP's. In fact, the more I use Wyches/Bloodbrides the more I love them.

I'm also finding that at lower points games WWP seems to work more often than not. Under 1500 I haven't faced many armies that were fast enough to really harass me when I come out and with the latest WWP if I drop it and can't use it for a turn or two my reserves can still come in as normal if I so desire.

Right now I'm modeling up some grotesques. I'm going to try 6 with a Haemonculi coming out of a WWP a few games.

I'm finding it hard to want to spam Warriors for Blasters and other darklight weapons when I can just take more wyches.

The cone of silence....

I think I want to try grotesques. But as a WWP delivery system, they are tough and will survive the return fire from the enemy at a reasonable cost and then continue to be effective as the game goes on.

More Games PLEASE!!!!!!!!

Why in the blazes did that UM player try to turtle up when he was losing? Haha, that is what you do when you are winning in a KP game.

But anyway, another great report, thanks for taking the time to put those together.

Awesome games.

Nice games man