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Reecius wrote:Don't worry about it bro. No one here cares if you don't use the INAT FAQ. Yak has been abundantly clear that it is simply a resource for people to use or not, nothing more.

Looking forward to more reports though.

lol, I wasn't talking about the INAT faq specifically. I was talking about ALL faqs.

Dude, these battle reports are amazing. Just in terms of Dark Eldar in general, just from what I've seen so far they appear to actually be slightly overpowered as I see no way for them to have lost any of the battles they've played so far. Does anybody feel the same, or is this just my imagination playing tricks on me?

Also, looking forward to seeing you use that Webway portal.

Thanks for letting me know Buffo, that wasnt an attempt at rules gotcha or anything, I just wasnt sure if Wyches had something special about bonus attacks (like the old Wych weapons thing) or if it was due to defensive grenades.

I played it that way until the SW FAQ came out and my opponents expressed dismay over it. Since I play a lot of different people I find it easier just to go with those FAQ since most people in the area tend to follow them. Edit: but it is great that you have a solid group that has resolved it.

Hey BuFFo, great battle reports. I've been checking back daily to see if you've updated your blog. Keep up the good work!

rivers64 wrote:Dude, these battle reports are amazing. Just in terms of Dark Eldar in general, just from what I've seen so far they appear to actually be slightly overpowered as I see no way for them to have lost any of the battles they've played so far. Does anybody feel the same, or is this just my imagination playing tricks on me?

Dark Eldar have always been powerful. Shame most people never got a taste of them.

Also, looking forward to seeing you use that Webway portal.

So many people are asking for this.

My next two games will be using the Web Way Portals then!

Great Wych game! How do Wyches start with a pain token?

Sigmatron wrote:Great Wych game! How do Wyches start with a pain token?

You can take a Heamonculi and attach him to the Wych squad during deployment. On turn one you then spit the unit up, and the Wyches keep the Pain Token.

ah yes, thought you meant they could get it on their own!

@buffo
Ah, got yeah. Yeah man, play how you want, no one should get upset as long as you are clear on your local rules interpretations.

@Rivers64
I wouldn't jump the gun. People need to get acclimated to the new book. Like Buffo said, DE have always been a menace on the tournament scene. People just aren't used to seeing them or playing them. But a good DE army was savage in the last book.

I think they look like a nice, competitive army, but I am not thinking they will topple the king (Missile Wolves) just yet. Time will tell though, but my initial assessment from this and other data is that we have a flexible, fun new book that can play with the big boys. That sounds great to me.

Reecius wrote:@buffo
Ah, got yeah. Yeah man, play how you want, no one should get upset as long as you are clear on your local rules interpretations.

Well, logically, no one should get upset with how I and my group plays because we play by strict RAW whenever possible.

@Rivers64
I wouldn't jump the gun. People need to get acclimated to the new book. Like Buffo said, DE have always been a menace on the tournament scene. People just aren't used to seeing them or playing them. But a good DE army was savage in the last book.

I think they look like a nice, competitive army, but I am not thinking they will topple the king (Missile Wolves) just yet. Time will tell though, but my initial assessment from this and other data is that we have a flexible, fun new book that can play with the big boys. That sounds great to me.

Last two 'Ard boyz, I only suffered two losses. The first one was in the semis against another pro Dark Eldar, in which I trew the game because I knew it would have been a tie. The second was to this years 'Ard Boyz champion in the semis because I messed up on my deployment, and he beat me by a single kill point. Funny story, the Dark Eldar player from the year before and the Chaos winner from this year are good friends in real life, so I almost beat a 9 oblit army run by a person who plays DE on the regular.

I have no problem bending over Missile Wolves at all. My own battle report shows how a Wych Cult can table a Space Wolf player in 4 turns. My only real 'tournament' opponents come in the form of Tau. Always Tau. My most hated enemy on the Battlefield!

Also keep in mind that people are just beginning to experiment with the new codex so their full potential might not even be unlocked yet. I'd very much enjoy seeing you play an experienced eldar mech army though and seeing the results. I think that the way they are now dark eldar will either need to be downgraded, or other armies will need to be upgraded to be able to competitively deal with them.

Nah, DE don't scare most of my army builds for my Orks, Nids, Daemons, or Wolves. But then my DE I'm building don't fear any other army either so I don't really know what that says

Oh Oh Oh, I remember now! Their Balanced!

Hulksmash wrote:Nah, DE don't scare most of my army builds for my Orks, Nids, Daemons, or Wolves. But then my DE I'm building don't fear any other army either so I don't really know what that says

Oh Oh Oh, I remember now! Their Balanced!

Hahahahahah!!!!!

I know exactly what you mean. I play IG and DE as my main armies. When I play either army, I don't fear my other army!

Booo to balanced codices!

@Buffo

If I recall correctly didn't the wolf player not know what a lot of your stuff did and it was his first time playing DE? I seem to remember that his list wasn't too hot, either.

I'm not saying you couldn't beat him again, just that is seemed their were a lot of mitigating factors.

DE are a tough game for MEQ's but I have not seen anything that really scares my Wolves, although since I have not played the new book, that may not mean much! haha.

Reecius wrote:If I recall correctly didn't the wolf player not know what a lot of your stuff did and it was his first time playing DE? I seem to remember that his list wasn't too hot, either.

He is experienced enough to have simply asked, or look at my list. He didn't care to do either. At my store, everyone has a very, um, lazy approach to the game. We just play for fun, and we barely, if ever, look at lists or ask about armies.

So he shot himself in the foot. What do you want me to do about it? lol... I am not about to tell him "Hey, um, you might want to take the first turn" or "Don't move your HQ squad out so far bud"... He is used to playing second, it is his style...

I'm not saying you couldn't beat him again, just that is seemed their were a lot of mitigating factors.

There are ALWAYS mitigating factors.... Being that we were both happy with our lists, I don't see a problem here. Unless you are implying "He could have power gamed/WAAC'd more", well, so could have I. See what I mean? Neither of us knew what lists the other person was bringing to the table, so what we had was just 1) either for fun or 2) just our take-all-comers list.

Wait to you see what a WAAC DE army can do in my next battle Report I had to have one of these, and I got it out of my system, for now...

DE are a tough game for MEQ's but I have not seen anything that really scares my Wolves, although since I have not played the new book, that may not mean much! haha.

Is there someone in your area you can schedule a game or two with and mess with the "new" Dark Eldar?

*deleted* NVM, someone already pointed out the Defensive grenade thing already. As a wolf player, I would of defiantly called you on it. And to to say so *before* the game begins is a little rich. I mean, how are you supposed to know everything about an army's capabilities unless they are used against you while in the middle of the game*especially* with a new codex that is not even out yet! There would be no way the SW player would know you would have Defensive grenades to begin with. I think every area playing their own way is perfectly fine and I applaud that, we do that here as well, but it is a general rule of thumb that if it is a GW FAQ then the *default* is to go by those unless it is worked out before game not to do so. But, as you say, your store gamers don't use the FAQs (only the erratas, doesn't make sense to me as the RB is not all inclusive with every scenario, hence the FAQs).

Other than that, I've been playing DE for a long time (6+ years) and I have to say: THANK YOU!! These battle reports with all these different builds are awesome and not only a joy to read but gives the community a good look at the units in action and their potential. I really like the last one, because so much bad stuff has been said of the new wyches, and I have to say they look fine to me.

BuFFo wrote:

Smitty0305 wrote:You might as well play tau the way ur using de.

lol, no thanks... I like 1) the ability to hit my targets when shooting and 2) being able to fight in close combat...

amen... i mean.... umm... FOR COMMORAGHHHH!!!

padixon wrote: But, as you say, your store gamers don't use the FAQs (only the erratas, doesn't make sense to me as the RB is not all inclusive with every scenario, hence the FAQs).

I am not sure what you mean by this... I don't know what an RB is. All I know is that FAQs are not official changes to the rules in any form or fashion. FAQs, whether on the GW site or not, are always optional house rules you and your opponent agree to play with. Erratas are changes you MUST play with to keep the game consistent with the designer's intent.

If I am talking about something you weren't addressing, then I am sorry.

Other than that, I've been playing DE for a long time (6+ years) and I have to say: THANK YOU!! These battle reports with all these different builds are awesome and not only a joy to read but gives the community a good look at the units in action and their potential. I really like the last one, because so much bad stuff has been said of the new wyches, and I have to say they look fine to me.

Wyches seem to be working fine for me

Nice battle report giving some insight how to play the new Dark Eldar.
I'm toying with a Haemonculi Coven army as it seems to have the potential to deal with any opponent.

BuFFo: Cronos seem not to be the best HS choice in such an army.
What HS would you prefer?

FFFF

update plox i needs my dark eldar fix

Note; thats a joke your a really good battle reporter

Made a list based on what you said

Haemonculi (65 pts) (X6 @ 390 pts)
(x1) Venom Blade (2+), Splinter Pistol, Liguifier Gun.

Wracks (100 pts) (X6 @ 600 pts)
(x8) Two Poisoned Weapons(4+).
(x1) Poisoned Weapon (4+), Liquifier Gun.

Raider (85 pts) (x6 @ 510 pts)
Dark Lance, Flickerfield, Night Shields, Torment Grenade Launchers.

1500/1500 (66 models, 6 Raiders)

Any plans to go up against IG in the near future. I would love to see how the DE codex does against the current mech vet power build, or the power blob lists.

Nice work so far. I'm looking forward to all 45 games.

New Battle Report is up!

2500 Kabal versus Tyranids - Game 7

That Nid batrep was just painful to read - like shooting fish in a barrel. Your units were wiping out entire bug units in every volley. Uggg.

Ummmm....feel no pain? Tervigons? Did he not think to bring these things?

3 Hive guard? Not nine, or six? WITH feel no pain?

It doesn't seem like that was a very competitive nid list.

Spellbound wrote:Ummmm....feel no pain? Tervigons? Did he not think to bring these things?

Tervigon is a unit that was hyped when the book came out, but overall is just mediocre. At best, it poops out crappy units to hold objectives. I actually advanced to the semi finals of this year's 'Ard Boyz because I got an extra kill point from a termigaunt unit made from a Tervigon.

Anyway, everyone's local meta is different, and Tervigons are looked down on around here. When the book first came out, Nid players used Tervigons, but quickly realized how much of 'nothing' they do, and how craptastic they are in kill point missions.

3 Hive guard? Not nine, or six? WITH feel no pain?

He owns 3 Hive Guard, so he used 3 Hive Guard. Plus, if he had 9 of them, I would have just killed 9 of them on turn one regardless. That is a high priority unit, and I will do everything in my power to kill them.

Hm. It just seems to me, that if he put hive guard behind tervigons, to even get within striking distance of the hive guard puts you in striking distance of spawned termagaunts and lots of other nastiness.

Good call lining the board edge with warriors though. It's easy to stop outflanking if you're prepared for it.

Agreed - the Bug list was sub-optimal and the DE was a tuned list. Results speak for themselves.

Great batreps nice read and good visuals. Look forward to more.

BuFFo wrote:
Tervigon is a unit that was hyped when the book came out, but overall is just mediocre. At best, it poops out crappy units to hold objectives.

Really, really?
What on earth do you base that on given it's a ~195point scoring, FNP giving, relentless giving, furious charge giving, 4+wounding giving , Monstorous creatur - that only makes unit when you want it to?
Beyond a guy either being unlucky or spawning a unit when he shouldn't have, or putting that unit in front not behind the tervigon?
What you got huh? That makes them "just mediocre."

kaiservonhugal wrote:Agreed - the Bug list was sub-optimal and the DE was a tuned list. Results speak for themselves.

Great batreps nice read and good visuals. Look forward to more.

Yeah, it seems it was a tuned DE list and a sub-optimal Nids army.
Other than that, I was a great battle report, as always.