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Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

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Honestly, just forget it.

Why should I forget it? You seem, to me, to be reading some kind of hateful malice in my post about the Inquisition. Bear in mind; I don't want to see the Inquisition gone.

That's not the case at all, I bloody love the Inquisition. I've made it so that my "Master of Ordnance" is modeled up as an Inquisitorial agent calling in fire support from an orbiting vessel. I'm going out of my way in a project that(as of now) has been going on for well over 4 years ensuring that my Guardsmen give the look of guys who've fought in hundreds, if not thousands of battles alongside the Ordos Cadia.

But hear me when I say this: In the mainstream, Inquisitors if you go by their background are just not something where they really "fit" on the tabletop in the way that they were portrayed.. It's like if...god I don't even know a really good way to explain it.

Think about it like this.

Would you rather have Inquisitors and their retinues being watered down to the point generic heroes waving swords around and shootin' guns left and right while yelling "WE'RE THE INQUISITION HOORAYS!" leading random Guardsmen equivalent models or whatever the hell gets thrown in to make a full on book. It's a case of where too much can damage the whole theme. There's tons of heroes who wave swords and are psychics, etc etc.

But there's not really anything when it comes to heroes who allow for your units to have specialist tactics to deal with specific foes. There's no heroes who allow for your units to have specialist wargear upgrades to destabilize or repel daemonic entities. There's no heroes whose mere presence can be a strategic asset in itself.

Think about it. Inquisitors allowing for Hellfire shell upgrades for Guard Heavy Bolters/Autocannons, or Inquisitors allowing Sternguard units to take bolts to nullify Psyker abilities for a round, things like that.
That is what I would like to see for the Inquisition. Anything else is a bloody insult to such an incredible and essential organization of the Imperium.

Hahaha. They should just cram it into one book to piss people off, and not release half the new models they should have.
Seems to be the trend nowadays!

I really hope the Grey knights get more variety now -.-

You realize that this is 40K we're talking about, right?

More often than not, we ARE shown Inquisitors who take an active role in things.

For example, the latest Gaunt Ghost book, yes?

So, since GW has seen fit to already let us field Inquisitors, which do you want to field, and continue to be able to field?

Lord Swordium Wavium or Lord Pencilus Pusherus?

The artwork doesn't look eyebleedingly bad enough to be official.

Alpharius wrote:You realize that this is 40K we're talking about, right?

More often than not, we ARE shown Inquisitors who take an active role in things.

We've had Eisenhorn, who acted in an advisory capacity in most major combat operations letting the Guard/Astartes commanders do things their own way unless it was stupid to do them as such.
We've had Roth, who did the same except in a few extreme cases
We had the Inquisitor from "Cadian Blood", who admittedly was very different but then again it was a zombie apocalypse...

For example, the latest Gaunt Ghost book, yes?

...How much of "Blood Pact" have you read Alpharius? Because I really don't want to spoil something very, very important about Inquisitor Rime for you.

So, since GW has seen fit to already let us field Inquisitors, which do you want to field, and continue to be able to field?
Lord Swordium Wavium or Lord Pencilus Pusherus?

But that's just my point. Lord Swordium Wavium and Lord Pencilus Pusherus? Those are the extremes of the men and women who actually make it to the rank of Inquisitor. Most of them aren't combat specialists nor bureaucratic toolbags. They're people who make more sense to be fielded like Commissars or the Regimental Advisors.

If I had my way?
We'd have a single book, with a single unit of "Ordos XXXXX Inquisitorial Advisors". Said book would be filled with fluff about the operational methods of the Inquisition, and that single unit would allow for fielding Ordos Xenos, Malleus, Hereticus, and Sepulturum Inquisitors and their retinues/advisors. That unit can be taken by Imperial Guard and Codex: Space Marines forces, with each specific Ordo conferring different "tactics" to your army.

For example:
An Ordo Xenos advised Imperial Guard army? They'd be able to take things like Hellfire shells for heavy bolters/autocannons(hell, even for Pintle/Sponson mounted weaponry), they'd get a new Order that can be issued called..well, I don't know precisely what to call it but it'd allow for rerolled misses or something of that nature if the Inquisitor issues the order while within range of a Vox-Caster. Make said Inquisitorial advised army have to "capture" a specific target, something big and important or capture a specific Xenos artifact and return it back to your deployment zone and if said objective isn't achieved, the game can only end in a draw at best(even if you've held more objectives, killed more units, whatever. You didn't fulfill the Inquisitor's task, so you failed).
Add a pretty hefty drawback to counter that same bonus that the Inquisitorial advisor adds in.

Are you seeing what I'm trying to say here?
Inquisitors shouldn't be stand-alone units. They're advisors, for the most part on the battlefield. The Eisenhorns and Rexes are far outnumbered by the Solomon Loks(i.e. incompetent toolbags who want their bidding done and refuse to listen to tactical advice).

So, Lord Pencilus Pusherus for you then?

And yes, do NOT spoil BP for me!

So, allow me my Ravenor analogue and his ops team, and I'll allow you your Ordo Clerkius Audit Team, OK?

No, we're talking Inquisitor Lord Eisenhower.

that is some epic artwork.

too bad it's fake, but GW should consider having Codex Cover contests. have fans either draw up their own covers or suggest an existing piece of artwork.

I wouldn't be opposed to Codex: Inquisition as long as GKs arn't inside.

Codex: Inquisition would allow for lots of ISTs(more varity/special wargear), Deathwatch troops, loads of special Psychic abilities, Radical themed option(deamonhosts, summoned deamons...), conscripted Impierial Guard...

Deathwatch troops shouldn't be in if GKs or Sisters aren't inside, in my opinion.

Kanluwen wrote:Deathwatch troops shouldn't be in if GKs or Sisters aren't inside, in my opinion.

Why not?

Kanluwen wrote:Deathwatch troops shouldn't be in if GKs or Sisters aren't inside, in my opinion.

If there was an inquisition book DW should be in...Gk and Sisters are armies in their own right while DW are a specialised force suitable for inquisitor needs of a fast hard hitting mission...imagine a fully decked marine squad with all kinds of xenos weapons...that beats the hell of a requisitioned marine...

i really wanted to see an expanded =I= in terms of radical inquisitors...i mean the possibilities is endless...daemonic swords, daemonhosts, guns shooting warp daemons ,having access to Exorcist marines...

The Hammer wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Deathwatch troops shouldn't be in if GKs or Sisters aren't inside, in my opinion.

If there was an inquisition book DW should be in...Gk and Sisters are armies in their own right while DW are a specialised force suitable for inquisitor needs of a fast hard hitting mission...imagine a fully decked marine squad with all kinds of xenos weapons...that beats the hell of a requisitioned marine...

I'm well aware of what Deathwatch are, thanks. They're not a force that is exclusively "for an Inquisitor's needs". They're a force that's at the beck and call of the Imperium, at large, for operations critical to the Imperium of Man's survival where a xenos influence is present. Oh yeah, and plus: Deathwatch don't use Xenos weaponry. They use Imperial weapons or Imperial manufactured derivatives of Xenos weaponry/tech.
The original point of my post, however, is this.
If you're butchering out the slightest option of the Chambers Militant for the other Ordos...why would the Ordo Xenos have theirs in there?

i really wanted to see an expanded =I= in terms of radical inquisitors...i mean the possibilities is endless...daemonic swords, daemonhosts, guns shooting warp daemons ,having access to Exorcist marines...

Actually, radical Inquisitors are pretty much limited to exactly what you said. Daemonic swords, daemonhosts, the Exorcist Marines...they're usually what both the "radical" Hereticus/Malleus Inquisitors fall into. They fall afoul of a Chaos taint, things get bad and next thing you know your "For the Emperor!" is punctured by the clickity clack of your new chestpincers.

I can't really think of anything an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor can do to be branded a radical to be honest. Their whole job is to get exposed to the influence of Xenos to be able to better combat it. They'll use Xenos tech to understand how it works, etc. The only thing I can think of is Chaos taint again, but that's just so cliche.

An Ordo Xenos would be branded radical if he grew too close to his study subjects. Studying the alien is one thing, being the alien's BFF is another. Chaos taint, Xenos taint, it's all the same in the eyes of the Imperium at large

I'm trying to remember Ravenor's quote from Eisenhorn where he basically stated that radicalism is inevitable for an inquisitor, as reality necessitates ever more extreme measures and compromises, and an inquisitor's goal is to do as much good as they possibly can before they inevitably go to far and have to be put down.

Kanluwen wrote:

The Hammer wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Deathwatch troops shouldn't be in if GKs or Sisters aren't inside, in my opinion.

If there was an inquisition book DW should be in...Gk and Sisters are armies in their own right while DW are a specialised force suitable for inquisitor needs of a fast hard hitting mission...imagine a fully decked marine squad with all kinds of xenos weapons...that beats the hell of a requisitioned marine...

I'm well aware of what Deathwatch are, thanks. They're not a force that is exclusively "for an Inquisitor's needs". They're a force that's at the beck and call of the Imperium, at large, for operations critical to the Imperium of Man's survival where a xenos influence is present. Oh yeah, and plus: Deathwatch don't use Xenos weaponry. They use Imperial weapons or Imperial manufactured derivatives of Xenos weaponry/tech.
The original point of my post, however, is this.
If you're butchering out the slightest option of the Chambers Militant for the other Ordos...why would the Ordo Xenos have theirs in there?

i really wanted to see an expanded =I= in terms of radical inquisitors...i mean the possibilities is endless...daemonic swords, daemonhosts, guns shooting warp daemons ,having access to Exorcist marines...

Actually, radical Inquisitors are pretty much limited to exactly what you said. Daemonic swords, daemonhosts, the Exorcist Marines...they're usually what both the "radical" Hereticus/Malleus Inquisitors fall into. They fall afoul of a Chaos taint, things get bad and next thing you know your "For the Emperor!" is punctured by the clickity clack of your new chestpincers.

I can't really think of anything an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor can do to be branded a radical to be honest. Their whole job is to get exposed to the influence of Xenos to be able to better combat it. They'll use Xenos tech to understand how it works, etc. The only thing I can think of is Chaos taint again, but that's just so cliche.

Didn't meant it that way, was just saying well deathwatch sure can't be in the Gk book nor the sisters book and they sure can't have their own book (having only one or two squads), so the only way they may see the light of day will be in the inquisition book if there ever will be one...i know deathwatch dont use xenos weapon that's why i said imagine if they did, that would at least differentiate them from normal marines plus having some cool weaponry could never hurt for sales...plus im sure when on a mission and they are running low on ammunition, they would resort to using whatever is at hand...

Alpharius wrote:

So really, don't be so quick to dump on what a LOT of us will end up missing, OK?

Like a real Sister of Battle codex? You know, one that isn't just a minor update with Inquisitorial forces shoehorned in?

I'm sorry that you (probably) won't be getting the Inquisitorial force you want. I know I'm not the only Sisters player that is looking forward to finally having a proper Sisters of Battle codex after 13 years.

Fafnir wrote:The artwork doesn't look eyebleedingly bad enough to be official.

I thought the latest DE one was pretty nice (certainly a massive improvement over the previous edition).

Although the amount of beautiful BA artwork that has been done over the years makes the current BA dex pretty criminal. I won't say it's bad (and its a hundred times better than anything I could do), but it seems to continue the tradition of slightly dodgy covers for the BA. It reminded me a bit of that re-working of the classic 'last stand' they used for that old SM codex, just missed the mark a little somehow.

Personally I think that old 1st edition 40k: Compilation is so old now that they could regurgitate that beautiful drawing (its on p6 of the current codex, the one with the marines lead by the figure in gold against the stealers) and most probably wouldn't recognise it

Re. the original post, I guess we have to wait for a full fake codex to come along now that seems plausible enough, like the BA and Nid ones, that it will generate a 20-page gak-slinging thread

Kanluwen wrote:
I'm well aware of what Deathwatch are, thanks. They're not a force that is exclusively "for an Inquisitor's needs". They're a force that's at the beck and call of the Imperium, at large, for operations critical to the Imperium of Man's survival where a xenos influence is present. Oh yeah, and plus: Deathwatch don't use Xenos weaponry. They use Imperial weapons or Imperial manufactured derivatives of Xenos weaponry/tech.

Deathwatch does use Xeno weaponry. Only when the need is dire and there are no other options.

Mukkin'About wrote:Hahaha. They should just cram it into one book to piss people off, and not release half the new models they should have.
Seems to be the trend nowadays!

And as has been argued against what you've said. You'd rather have a codex that has fewer options but all the models released at once? The old system of a less units but everything being released at once wasn't working for GW apparently so we have better codex's and more models over time. I see a lot more merit in that than watering the codex down due to business limitations.

[EDIT]: Oh good! Someone booted up the Kan! Seems WRONGBADFUN.exe is running smoothly at 60fps. Excellent! So glad that Dakka's board software has that installed to remind us when we're wrong about the armies we like. The program already caused Alpharius.mod to crash out of the thread. That's impressive.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Actually, sadly, I don' think one is coming.

Inquisitors will be in CODEX: GREY KNIGHTS and CODEX: SISTERS, but they won't be getting their own book.

And their roles, from what we've heard so far, will be greatly reduced, along with their variety and character...

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Cool picture, looks a bit radical though.

H.B.M.C. wrote:[EDIT]: Oh good! Someone booted up the Kan! Seems WRONGBADFUN.exe is running smoothly at 60fps. Excellent! So glad that Dakka's board software has that installed to remind us when we're wrong about the armies we like. The program already caused Alpharius.mod to crash out of the thread. That's impressive.
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Oh good! It's H.B.M.C., here with some ridiculous statement taking a potshot at me because he can. Please, read the thread before you comment in the future.
Wanting the Inquisition "done right" isn't the same as "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!".

The Hammer wrote:Didn't meant it that way, was just saying well deathwatch sure can't be in the Gk book nor the sisters book and they sure can't have their own book (having only one or two squads), so the only way they may see the light of day will be in the inquisition book if there ever will be one

Not the point. The point is that Deathwatch can easily see the light of day without an Inquisition book, and that's without them needing to invent new units. Kill-Teams can be put into the Guard/SM codexes with minimal fuss as HQ choices. But that's just a watered down option.

The Hammer wrote:i know deathwatch dont use xenos weapon that's why i said imagine if they did, that would at least differentiate them from normal marines plus having some cool weaponry could never hurt for sales...plus im sure when on a mission and they are running low on ammunition, they would resort to using whatever is at hand...

You don't need to have squads of Deathwatch using Xenos weaponry to "differentiate them from normal Marines". There's already plenty to do that, and if they went and pulled things from the "Relics" section of the armory of the new Deathwatch RPG...there'd be plenty more. Things like "Armour of the Remorseless Crusader", a set of Black Templar made Artificer Armor packed with hexagrammic wards and incorporating a Master-Crafted Sanctified Power Sword that extends from the forearm.
Things like that would be amazing to see on the tabletop. The dynamic of squads made up of individuals, heroes of their respective Chapters, can also make for a very interesting "Movie Marines" styled game.

I'm wondering if Lord Karamazov will be kept in the new Sisters book. I really like the model but with the release set relatively close it might not justify buying it now.

Also, Space Marines got Legion of the Damned now, which is even mroe obscure than Deathwatch. Sternguard veterans are also very much like the old Deathwatch rules so you could always just proxy a unit of Deathwatch as Sternguard.

This codex cover artwork is old 40k art. It is not new, and it is not fan made.
It IS fan colored, rather blandly I might add.

While that would make for an awesome cover... It's fake as fake can be.

It's as real as this: