Realistic Imperium of ManvsThe Empire! Scenario/Storyline detailed inside..YOU DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS!

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**Commissar Agro**

This looks very interesting!

I can see blood axe orks working for black sun or the empire in return for new high tech toys, imagine orks with the 2-M Saber-class repulsor tank.
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bad moons are the merchants of ork society, they would trade with black sun.

I can see Xizor hireing orks to destroy Vader's Victory class destroyer if it starts poking arround...but that would lead to Vader sending more troops to the milky way.

**GamzaTheChaos**

Khorne would see darth vader and think he was chocolate rain get mad CUT A WHOLE THROUGH THE WARP AND STAB STARWARS IN THE EYE!!!

**Lexx**

Another thing to add. The force vs warp powers?

**SilverMK2**

This thread looks really interesting. Will have to wait until I get home to be able to see the maps and things.

Personally as far as warp/force powers go, in areas free of necron suppression, their power would be relatively similar and dependant on the strength of the user, with users of the same kind of skill and power being evenly matched in terms of warp/force projection.

It might be arguable that the various shields and so on put in place by the Imperium as a matter of course to block out psychic signals may render some force powers ineffective - it has been stated that the warp and the force are different powers, but nul shields etc may well block out mind confusion powers of the force, for example.

**maxpower3579**

oh, i could see the jedi mind trick working on pretty much all of the Guards men. not orks, because they are orks, and they dont listen to no pink skin! plus they are all sorta psykers, so they cant be tricked easaly. in any case, the empire will be the "friendly" one of the first contact with the imperium, and the imperium just reacting as allways, DESTROY THEM GERGFHHFGDRGR. the thing is, the Empire isnt probably used to being the attacked one, so would love to see how they deal with that..

**Ketara**

Aboard the bridge of the Subjugator... wrote:

'Sir! We are receiving inbound transmission signals from Planetary Colony XCV-104.' Captain Rothermere looked up from the console he was examining, seeing the lines from hyperspace twinkle for a second, and vanish, as the ship exited to realspace. 'Patch them through to the main speakers' he commanded, taking up his customary position at the helm of the bridge. There was a brief flicker on the small circle in front of him, and the three dimensional figure of a man appeared, displayed in blue. 'Thank the Emperor you're here!' cried the man. 'My name is Captain Rothermere of the Imperial Navy', Rothermere replied curtly, irritated by the informal, uncontrolled address by the civilian. 'Kindly brief me succinctly on the situation here, and what made you feel you needed to declare a Level Two alert to the military authorities over at Rothana'. In face of such cool concise address, the man appeared to gather himself. 'My name is Governor Centrate. I'm in charge of the colony here, and we've been under attack by foul alien creatures for the last month or so. Our men are holding out as best they can, but they're not troopers!These monsters are over six feet tall, and-' He was cut off in short order by a hand gesture from Rothermere. 'Actually, on second thoughts Governor, have one of your men clarify the situation and transmit it to us for analysis. Good day to you'. The hologram flickered and cut out.

Civilians, Rothermere thought to himself disgustedly. No doubt these creatures were primitive barbarians, like all aliens, easily defeated by any competent commander. Well, he'd obliterate the vermin, return to base, and try and get reassigned back to the Inner Rim. He was sick and tired of being stuck on Outer Rim patrol missions, putting out bushfires caused by hysterical incompetent planetary governors. Promotion might be faster, but it was no compensation for the extreme boredom and laxity caused by extended periods away from serious military command.

'Sir, we just received the communications package from the Governor', the Flight Lieutenant said. 'According to the data, One of the two major cities has already been abandoned to these aliens, and is even now being used as their primary base of operations'. Rothermere stroked his chin thoughtfully. 'This one looks like it requires the personal touch. Prepare to take us down onto the city'. The Lieutenant blanched, being a recent transfer from the Academy, and yet having to have had seen action. 'You mean for us to go down with the troopers sir? I'll, er, call for your personal shuttle to be prepped immedia...' . His voice drained away, as he was subjected to a withering stare from Rothermere. 'I meant the ship Lieutenant. Not me personally. You've never served on board a Victory Destroyer before, have you?' The lieutenant demurred with a swift shake of his head. 'The Victory Class Destroyer is capable of atmospheric operations. It doesn't move particularly fast in the air, I'll grant you, but it has a habit of squashing all problems', he paused for emphasis, 'Flat'. He brought his fist down on the console in front of him with a bang, making the Lieutenant jump.'

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Holonet Transmission 458572

My Lord, I've removed that incompetent from command, and assumed control of our operations here. The fool attempted to arrange for me to have an 'accident', so I ensured he met with one instead.

Regardless, I've briefly evaluated the data from nearby Dolumar, and it seems to have no substantial military defences. I recommend presenting the world to the Emperor for assimilation immediately. In the meantime, me and all remaining forces here will proceed directly to the colony system to ensure that the battleship dispatched from Rothana explores no further. We will wait around the edges of the system until we are certain of its departure.

Your obdt servant

Captain Pieterbas

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'You say these aliens have an asteroid base?'. Magus Chronus leaned back on his mechadendrite extension arm, comfortably shifting all his weight to it. The man strapped to the table in front of him was the Rogue Captain Vernedear. Up until now, he had proved a valuable resource. However, his stubbornness about divulging the location had forced him to resort to stern measures in order to prise the truth from him. Now the man lay bound to an examination table, his veins distorted and blue all over his body from the truth drugs being pumped into him. Chronus watched the man's face twitch, as he still tried to fight against the drug. 'Y-yes.....' the man burbled...'but...there are humans there...as well..' Had Chronus had eyebrows remaining on his now largely mechanical face, they would have shot up with surprise. Humans consorting and fraternizing willingly with aliens? That was heresy at the highest level! Nonetheless, the humans could no doubt be weaned away from the Xenos, given suitable....re-education. The firepower of the Frigate he currently travelled on should be more than suitable. 'But if they're on an asteroid, that implies they travelled there from somewhere else'. He leaned in towards the bound man. 'Where would you suppose they came from?'. The man grunted and shifted, 'tried to hide it....but one captain couldn't handle his drink...Co-ordinates XV8749...' He murmured something else before his eyes rolled into the back of his head, but Chronus had stopped listening. Sending a snap of binary to the Ship's Captain, a course was laid in, and the ship set off.....

So, the board has been set, and the pieces are in motion. How is this going to play out?

**Asherian Command**

Awesome

a moment I have been waiting for the longest time

I really hope they kill each other.

**Lord of battles**

This sounds cool!
Fire lance batteries on my mark! 1..2..3 FIRE!
= all star wars empire ships DEAD!!!

**Blarg21**

If this is a rim world ( which i think it is ) then this should prove to be interesting. IIRC most sector group fleets relatively small consisting of 24 of ISD's not counting interdictors escort carriers vsd and the lot of smaller ships........ But then again the fleet at endor wasn't huge consisting of about 16 ISD's an SSD and the Death Star. I can see the local Moff sending in the sector fleet easily should he feel threatened.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sector_Fleet is the source for my numbers of ISD's.

**ChrisWWII**

Hmmmm, well since the Magos wants to gather technology, it's unlikely he'll go in full guns blazing. It means he might destroy whatever it is he's looking for.

I personally think that the Magos will at least TRY communication first. At least they won't fire on each other right away, simply do to pure confusion. They'll try to talk to each other......hell, they may even cooperate when it comes to protecting the colony planet. Especially since it is a human colony......conflict will probably begin to erupt later on once Xizor/Vader shows up, and the Magos calls in a REAL fleet.

Edit: At some point we should turn this into an article....hell, maybe even move it into dakka fiction. It's less a 'who would win' thread now, more so it's an actual story that Ketara is writing.
.....Once things get deeper in will you be allowing other followers to submit their own sections? An IG regiment vs/alongside Stormtroopers here, etc. etc. This could get REALLY good really quickly.

Edit2: The only problem with the whole sector fleet coming is twofold. One, 24 ISDs is a 'typical' sector, but we're not in a typical sector. We're in a backwater, outer ring sector, the Sector Fleet likely isn't the same mass as more coreward, and more important sectors are. Secondly, the Moff has no idea what's going on, most likely. Are you really going to send ALL your resources into an unknown situation? I doubt even the most idiotic Moff could be that stupid.....

And on an unrelated note, I think we'll be running into some which Emperor is who pretty soon......All very confusing. Ah well, confused and panicked characters are INTERESTING!

**Blarg21**

I would agree that guns wouldn't be blazing at first contact if the magos IS smart. It depends though if the Empire considers this atm to be a big enough threat to bring in Vader. Now I can see the local Moff getting into this though. Hmmmmm 24 ISDs vs an exploratory fleet. It also depends on how the Magos will see this technology. For we know he might see it as a heresy. But I am sure more will follow. I wonder what has happened to that colony. ( Oh Noes the Bugs are invading

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**ChrisWWII**

It's Orkz. At least I think its Orks.

**Blarg21**

If its de orkz, den we has a bigger problem on our plates dan we think.

**Mr Nobody**

For the ork situation, the storm trooper will first off take grevious damage, not understanding that orks are bigger, stronger and more numerous. Eventually the fleet will learn their advantage in speed in both manouvering and redeployment, hoperfully wittling down the ork numbers faster than they can grow.

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I'd also want the two sides to at least meet each other, just to see their reactions. Captain getts the techpriest, "hello, I-WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR FACE?!"

**Exark**

Off topic question first, whats ICS?

Second, on topic. I'd say the pirates would get owned, from my memory, Black Sun never really had much in the way of warships, they'd likely not have more than a few DP20 Gunships (the corellian gunship), and several supporting fighter squadrons (Toscan fighters i believe, if X-Wing ALliance is to be believed).

**ChrisWWII**

Incredible Cross Sections. It's the only SW book that gives weapons, shield and energy generating data in metric units.

And iirc Black Sun is a MASSIVE criminal empire. They've got bigger ships that the little gunships. They could take on a Victory destroyer. Hell, to take out Xizor himself, Vader had to hop in with the Executor.

Black Sun is no pushover, especially if Xizor is himself involved.

**Exark**

ChrisWWII wrote:Incredible Cross Sections. It's the only SW book that gives weapons, shield and energy generating data in metric units.

And iirc Black Sun is a MASSIVE criminal empire. They've got bigger ships that the little gunships. They could take on a Victory destroyer. Hell, to take out Xizor himself, Vader had to hop in with the Executor.

Black Sun is no pushover, especially if Xizor is himself involved.

Ah, that is correct about Black Sun, however i'm talking about around a small asteroid base, i wouldn't bank on them having much. Now the Toscan is one nasty little ship. However, I wouldn't expect that big of a garrison, perhaps maybe a bulk cruiser or two? But no large military hardware, VSD's, Mon Cals, Assault Frigates.

Oh wait, maybe a couple of Dreadnaught Heavy Cruisers, they could obtain those

**ChrisWWII**

Well, yeah the base itself wouldn't have much. But Xizor's following this one personally....much bigger stuff could be coming. But yeah, I'm thinking Bulk cruisers as the biggest things Black Sun could throw at us.

I'm more interested to see what Xizor's response will be to encountering the IoM.

**Exark**

Agreed on both counts, I'd bank on him trying to get the Emperor's favor, but once Vader shows up...its gonna be a warzone

**blazinpsycho&typhooni**

bwahahaha... heresy thinking goin on...

I think the empire will be forced to retreat after facing the orks, but then come back with a sizable force to combat the threat. After all after reading this guy talk, I think he's the typical arrogant empire person. He'll go into this thinking it's maybe a smaller alien civilization, then get crushed, then be forced to retreat, then come back with more guns. Then mechanicum come, stalemate, cuz empire has reinforcements even though the adeptus mechanicus has better weapons and maybe range... after all, it is only one ship, unless I'm reading this incorrectly

**Asherian Command**

God please no darth vader. Or else Someone will need to get my Characters involved. And No one wants that -.- (looks at Bill From Accounting with anger).

**blazinpsycho&typhooni**

Asherian Command wrote:God please no darth vader. Or else Someone will need to get my Characters involved. And No one wants that -.- (looks at Bill From Accounting with anger).

I agree, at least for now

. I don't think it would be smart to bring in the big guns so early on in this thread, there are maybe those who are still not used to this somewhat tranquil zone, where people aren't attacking each other.

**Commissar Agro**

I know the rebelion hasn't been mentioned yet but i can see bothan spies finding out about the imperial colony in the milky way. So would the rebelion come looking for potential allies such as the eldar? It could work since the rebels aren't anti xeno, but the eldar wpuld proberbly look down apon them or just use them for their own ends...

**blazinpsycho&typhooni**

They could join with the tau, y'know for the greater good and all

**Commissar Agro**

I somehow don't see the many races of the rebellion having escaped from being 2nd class citizens in imperial society ruled by 1 dictator to joining another dictatorship under the Ethereals.

**Field Marshall Terry**

I honestly think the Imperium would pull another "Dameocles Gulf Crusade" where it launches a massive invasion of Empire Space, but the attack slowly loses momentum and eventually gets called off due to another emergent threat (14th Black Crusade, Another Tau Expansion, Hive Fleet _______). With as many enemies the Imperium already has to deal with, I could see them being diplomatic with the Empire as they were with the Tau Empire (which seem to be the only Xenos race in 40K that actually use Government-Themed-Diplomacy)

**Lexx**

Field Marshall Terry wrote:I honestly think the Imperium would pull another "Dameocles Gulf Crusade" where it launches a massive invasion of Empire Space, but the attack slowly loses momentum and eventually gets called off due to another emergent threat (14th Black Crusade, Another Tau Expansion, Hive Fleet _______). With as many enemies the Imperium already has to deal with, I could see them being diplomatic with the Empire as they were with the Tau Empire (which seem to be the only Xenos race in 40K that actually use Government-Themed-Diplomacy)

Imagine first communication

"For the emperor!"

"Palpatine be praised!"

"Uhm... who? I said praise be the god emperor. What is this heresy! Crusade on you. Xenophile scum!"

**SilverMK2**

The thing about crusades is that they take quite a while to organise. It could be that a few hundred years from the first encounter the Empire start getting urgent (but short) calls for help against a vast invading force as the Imperium finally gets round to bringing its might to the fore.

Unless things escalate very quickly, I don't think the Imperium will do more than protect its worlds more or less like for like with whatever the Empire throw at them.

It is only if the Empire make a massive planet grab and try to take over many star systems within the Imperium that I think we will see a large sectorwide scramble for naval fleets and IG. We may see some small SM interaction after the Empire takes a few worlds (2-4?), again, gradually growing in line with the threat faced.

You have to remember that the Imperium works on a cascading ripple effect when it comes to dealing with threats.

**Commissar Agro**

But we can't forget that the Imperium dosn't control every single star system so a invasion by the empire would be slowed down by attacking worlds controlled by other hostile species.

**SilverMK2**

Whilst true, the buildup of other species fleets in the area (in particular an Ork WAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!1111oneonepi) would also alert the Imperium to something going on (though they may feel that whatever is going on should be left to run its course and thin out the number of orks/other hostiles before they go and see what is happening).