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Not to mention that given the way things work in the SW galaxy, in a hundred years the GE may very well be gone after the Rebellion wins the Galactic Civil War, and all that kind of stuff. It could always be that since the Imperium wasn't very talkative, the SW galaxy never appreaciated its true size and extent, so wouldn't be too concerneed about it.

And the only problem with the Rebellion getting together with the Tau is that the Tau are kinda on the wrong side of the galaxy for all this.

Though given the lack of warp sight, the Tau might really like to get their hands on hyperdrives

Personally in the current situation I think the arrival of a giant space ship above an Ork invasion would only spur them on and speed up any Ork migrations in the area (perhaps any near-by Jedi may sense a disturbance in the force due to the psychic call of the Orks? ) - also, looted Star Destroyer anyone?

The Ad-Mech would continue trying to barter/steal tech.

The Rogue Traders would be pretty pissed (you have to remember that actual Rogue Traders are seriously powerful people with fleets of ships - the Ad-Mech torturing one would not go down well if they ever found out) at their new business partners dropping out on them due to the orks/imperial/Ad-Mech.

The Imperium may send out a small detatchment to see what is going on with their colonies in the area (a few regiments of IG, a couple of troop carriers, a larger battleship and escourts?).

The SM may send a squad along to the party if there are any nearby fighting the Orks or something.

OH hell yes the Tau would love hyperdrive. The Eldar too....I think the AdMech would love it as well, simply because it's fully technological without relying on 'imperfect' biology at all.....however, the Navigator Houses would not like hyperdrive much at all....if you don't need to go through the Warp, then you don't need them, and they lose power.

Looted Star Destroyer sounds AWESOME. Also, I'm not 100% on this, but I THINK the Ork invasion is from that kroozer Captain wanting to get more of the new fancy bitz, and his Mekboy wanted to know how it works or something....so there's a pretty damn big Ork ship in orbit.

And I doubt the Rogue Traders can do much other than complain.....especially if REAL IoM forces (I'm going to start saying IoM forces or GE forces just cause calling both Imperials will get really confusing, really quickly ) start showing up. Rogue Traders may be powerful, but their power shrinks when the might of the Imperium arrives, and they're technically still subservient to the IoM.

And yes....the Magos may call for more reinforcements from the nearest FW, or just appropriate the nearest Imperial Navy/IG battlegroup. He can do that, right?

I'm also looking forward to the Inquisition finding out about this....I for one think the Ordos Malleus and Hereticus will flip out when they realize there's a whole other galaxy full of humans out there, a nd that said humans have no trouble with mutation or psykers...

I thought the Orks on the planet were a pre-existing condition? A "small" force which was gradually gaining more Orks prior to the arival of GE?

The Kroozer is a new arrival from a seperate Ork force in another system which happened across a Black Suns convoy/ship and looted all the toys and is now flying around trying to find where they came from so they can get more.

Regards the Rogue Traders - yes, compared to the IoM or the AM they are not particularly strong, but as a fighting force they can put up a reasonable defence. I'm sure in the fluff Rogue Traders have destroyed entire alien civilisations on their own before.

I don't know how the Navigators will respond to hyperdrive (well, I know they will not like it...), but the time it would take the IoM to adopt it into their fleets would be many hundreds or thousands of years. Though the AM would be very interested in it - though some elements may think it heretical since it, as far as they/we know, did not come from an STC.

The GE may well lead to a civil war within the AM (again), with some saying that innovation etc is a good thing and embracing the GE and others rejecting them as heretics as they do not follow the machine god and use STC devices and the proper chants etc...

I think the Magos will keep quiet for as long as possible because of this. That and wanting everything for himself of course

The big =I= would have a field day once news of the GE got out. I think they would have a lot of trouble if the GE played things right and flooded with propoganda - especially if they kept it human orientated (ie didn't mention they liked hanging out with Aliens). I think they would try this Tau-esque tactic alongside invasion and fleet actions to win worlds and populations.

I think in ground wars the GE simply will not be able to field the numbers required to take and hold worlds once the IoM got the IG rolling. The GE may have, on the whole, better trained soldiers, but I think the IG has the edge when it comes to experience in world/system spanning conflics, numbers and simple desire to gind the enemy into the dust.

Not sure about fleet action, as I don't really know how good GE ships are and in what numbers the GE and IN (Imp Navy) can field ships. I think the GE has the edge in terms of being able to out fly the IN, but in terms of firepower, the IN most probably win.

In star wars fluff they don't have any thing like the average land battle that th IoM fights every day. The IG will quiet literally steamroller the GE but the GE dose have better tech on there side. They have faster supporting elements on the ground and GE ships can escape safely when the gak hits the fan. Alhough I don't know the whole shield and firepower statisics for either side, Space battles with IoM ships are long range slugging matches but in the SW Fluff it would have one believe that a space battle with GE ships is a much closer ranged affair. Hmm I don't know how the GE ships are going to hold up against the Imperial Navy.

We know that GE star destroyers are heavliy dependant on their TIE's (all wing types), look at the Lusykanya (SSD) it had no fighter support and was taken out by 2 impeiral class star destroyers, about 3.5 squadrons, an out dated war frigate and about a dozen or so frieghters loaded with proton topedoes. I don't think a large IoM battleship woud be as vulerable to eermy fire without fighter support...but then again when does the IoM ever send off just one battleship, they send out whole fleets. I think the Deathstar 2 needs to warm up its super lazer.

How long is emperor palpatine in power? 20 years? well i that is correct then in that 20 years, the GE built a gak load of ships so I would think that the production of ship for ship would be in the favor of the GE.

sorr about the wall of text but just need to say tat, Im not trying to dispute what your writng OP, it is great and very interesting, It is great to see how this goes.

The Rogue Traders, once they have started to feel out the smugglers and pirates would then start looking at making their end of the trade official and will try and legitimise these new trading routes, either by discrediting other RT's pr (and quite possibly) using connections they have in the Imperium to obtain trade warrants.

Information will start trickling back into the Imperium and I would imagine that, over time, word would reach the administration on Terra. Rogue Traders could be forced to accept imperial agents maybe members of one of the ordos.

As I said, bearing in mind how the Imperium works this could take some time.

Maybe their are already agents available to intrigue against the Black Sun and other Pirates or smugglers. Would the Black Sun co-opt other smuggling groups to make contact with the Orks or Rogue Traders to allow them to assess the situation further by these smuggling groups bumbling and stumbling around? Seeing how RTs interact? how trustworthy/how exploitable they are?

Would RT's prevent the Inquisition from gaining too much access to the Imperials? RT's tread a fine line between consorting with heretics/xenos and....consorting with heretics/xenos and keeping the information to themselves.

Would the nascent rebellion have a part to play? i could imagine rebels being, at best dismissed as nonentities and at worst being handed over to Blacksun/GE forces as being spanners in the works. I could imagine The Imperium being fed tales about heretics consorting with dark powers (The Black Sun would glean as much socio political information on The Imperium as they can and be force fed doctrine by Imperial agents and use it for their own ends).

Exark wrote:Off topic question first, whats ICS?

Second, on topic. I'd say the pirates would get owned, from my memory, Black Sun never really had much in the way of warships, they'd likely not have more than a few DP20 Gunships (the corellian gunship), and several supporting fighter squadrons (Toscan fighters i believe, if X-Wing ALliance is to be believed).

Xixor used star vipers. Look in the book and game shadows of the empire which is set right in this time period.

What happens next:

Star Destroyer begins planetary bombardment of orks and is intialy sucessful until ambushed and driven off by the Kroozer. It is able to jump before critical systems were damaged and beats a quick retreat to gather reinforcements.

The Orks slaughter the last of the Imperial citizans on the planet and begin to fight amongst themselves. The Pirates pull back, leaving their brothers stranded on the planet fighting to determine a warboss.

The mechanicam jumps to the asteroid but is quickly captured by the numaricly superior forces of the Black Sun. The crime syndicate begins to pull information from the tech priest.

I don't think that black sun would immediately capture the ship. Remember black sun has alot gunships which have lasors not Turbo lasors which shouldn't be enough to beat through that armour. But that is if the techpriest immediately goes to the asteroid base. Probably what is goin to happen is they will encounter another ge planet first

Tech priest wouldn't be too much of a worry.

Rogue Traders would do their utmost to try and prevent any other imperium faction gain control of lucrative tech.

I could see RT VS Mechanicum, Mechanicum VS Ordos etc fighting over Imperial tech, Black sun could be in the middle or manipulate affairs for their own ends.

Blarg21 wrote:

Exark wrote:Off topic question first, whats ICS?

Second, on topic. I'd say the pirates would get owned, from my memory, Black Sun never really had much in the way of warships, they'd likely not have more than a few DP20 Gunships (the corellian gunship), and several supporting fighter squadrons (Toscan fighters i believe, if X-Wing ALliance is to be believed).

Xixor used star vipers. Look in the book and game shadows of the empire which is set right in this time period.

ICS or Incrediblle Cross section is the book that details SW ships and also gives them weapon yields which contradict every other source.Using them they stand equal,without them they do megatons.

Blarg21 wrote:I don't think that black sun would immediately capture the ship. Remember black sun has alot gunships which have lasors not Turbo lasors which shouldn't be enough to beat through that armour. But that is if the techpriest immediately goes to the asteroid base. Probably what is goin to happen is they will encounter another ge planet first

Incorrect, the Corellian Gunship *is* armed with turbolasers and concussion missile tubes

The armament of a DP20 gunship
8 Double turbolaser cannons
6 Quad laser cannons
4 Concussion Missile Launchers (30 missiles per launcher)

Taken from http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/DP20

Effectively, the corellian gunship COULD do some damage, but i doubt a single one would do much damage on its own. It would likely take several of them working in concert with starfighter support

What will likely happen is that if the tech priest gets to the Black sun base first, he'll be attacked on sight, Pirates (especially black sun) are not known for allowing outsiders into their turf.

However I must make an addendum to my previous post, I actually think that the Black Sun could theoretically field Assault Frigates (Dodonna class), i remember there being one (or it was a bulk cruiser), in a mission in X Wing ALliance, with an escort of Supa Fighters (nasty little buggers, try fighting interceptors in a YT-2000, not fun). However I can say with fact that they could obtain Bulk Cruisers (of any type) or even Victory Star Destroyers theoretically, there is however no mention of Black Sun owning any of these ships, but i would not doubt their capability to obtain them, given the fact they are one of the largest crime syndicates in the GFFA (also do not forgot the Tenloss Syndicate) However i'd put the max size as a Dreadnought Heavy Cruiser, anything bigger is pushing it (even black sun couldnt' capture a Mon Cal or ISD)

But nonetheless, the Black Sun could bring more firepower to bear if needbe

Also Blarg, the SUpa Fighter replaced the Starviper (XWA takes place towards Ep VI)

Supa Fighters were most often used to defend Black Sun convoys and respond to attacks on Black Sun-allied facilities. In this regard, it almost completely replaced the StarViper.

<---From the Supa Fighter's entry on Wookiepedia

I'd imagine that High Marshal Helbrecht and his Black Templar homies would be up for some cleansing if they found out that there's xenos/heretics in the Ghoul Stars again. I guess they're not that pleased over what happened last time...

I've played xwa And that was several year ago. As for the Gunship I think I got that one confused with one of the corellian anti fighter ships. I could have sworn it. Was the Gunship. I might be thinking of the Corvette. But when were supra fighters invented ? If Its before episode VI then i can see It. all well. Still either way there is not enough to punch a hole in the armour of an destroyer sized ship of the IoM you would need several of those like you said before

That is correct, the Supa Fighters show up in XWA (mission where you loot Viraxo cargo), they were a replacement for the Starviper. As to the corellian corvette, you may be thinking of the variant in Empire at war (mounted only laser cannons) I looked it up again on wookiepedia, it has two double turbo lasers and four single turbolasers, and can be upgraded to a much heavier armament. Maybe you were thinking of the Lancer Frigate? But then again, that's not a pirate ship, it's an IN warship. But yes, I agree wholeheartedly, on their own, the ships wouldn't do much good, however a concentrated assault may.

I knew it was a gunship, i just couldn't remember if it was a variant or not. I still am waiting to see what would happen though. i do know that the Empire has about 25000 ISD's and at least 15 named supers. There is reason to believe however that there could be more seeing as how each moff wanted one . ( from stardestroyer.net ) i would be really intereested to see how the upcoming battle would play out.

I think the Storm Crusaders will get involved except I think they might only send 2 companies most likely the 29th and the 4th.

If there'll be a fight at all. Remember, these are 2 human captains, from 2 Empires that both idolize humans, being sent to a human colony under attack by filthy xenos....

I for one doubt a conflict will erupt immediately. They'll work together to take down the xenos and save their own before fighting amongst themselves....

Now that's not to say they won't eventually fight...they just won't fight NOW. WHen Xizor/Vader shows up, I'm gonna bet things will get a bit more....interesting.

Should Vader show up I can see the adeptus mechanicus wanting to study him seeing as he is mostly Cyborg. But I do agree that they wont go guns blazing at the start since it is a xenos attack. But I bet once they find out that one is a religious fanatical then I can see the gins blazing. I am wondering what will happen next before I make my final say though.

Blarg21 wrote:Should Vader show up I can see the adeptus mechanicus wanting to study him seeing as he is mostly Cyborg. But I do agree that they wont go guns blazing at the start since it is a xenos attack. But I bet once they find out that one is a religious fanatical then I can see the gins blazing. I am wondering what will happen next before I make my final say though.

Interestiong point.

'He's more machine than man' Vader could be used by the GE, I'm pretty sure word will spread about a Human/cyborg powers weilding the are powers of life and death.

Cue 'ruptions within the Mechanicus.

Vader seeing the Mechanicus, wanting to and being half cyborgs themselves may just start to loose a few scales from his eyes. Ad mech perfection is 'Vaders curse.

I'm seeing this cross over as potential for fresh conflicts within each universe and not strictly as SW vs 40K.

Anyway it would take a little while for Vader or any important force from the Imperium to rock up and settle jedi vs marines debates.

Orks get taken down, a bit, Imperium and empire work together for a while. its only when, hyper space routes are scouted and more settlers come from the GE 'verse or the Imperium starts sending expeditions that real problems will occur.

A problem that may be encountered is the sheer scale of the IoM. Because the Galactic Empire was relatively short-lived by 40k standards (the founding of the Empire up to the reemergence of the Empire as the predominant power under Darth Krayt spans barely 150 years, practically nothing compared to the IoM's scale of time) For the Imperium to mobilize quickly enough to meet this new threat, there would have to be a lot of convincing done in order to make it happen. I think the AdMech Magos will play a key role in bringing the GE to the attention of the IoM. This may be difficult to pull off convincingly due to the aforementioned political infighting in the IoM.

Problem with the hyperdrive is that you have to map the hyperlanes first before attempting it use on a galactic scale(you can do jumps outside lanes,but it's more dangerous).

IvanTih wrote:Problem with the hyperdrive is that you have to map the hyperlanes first before attempting it use on a galactic scale(you can do jumps outside lanes,but it's more dangerous).

remember though all the GE has to do is just send out probe droids to map those routes

Blarg21 wrote:

IvanTih wrote:Problem with the hyperdrive is that you have to map the hyperlanes first before attempting it use on a galactic scale(you can do jumps outside lanes,but it's more dangerous).

remember though all the GE has to do is just send out probe droids to map those routes

It's not that simple. The probe droids took advantage of premapped hyperspace routes. The old stuff for SW, as in pre-Jedi Order, pre-Old Republic, shows that they spent thousands of years slowly mapping out hyperspace before they could jump with the level of precision and speed they do now.

The GE won't have that in the Milky Way.

They can still use short jumps to ambush ships, being much more accurate than warp jumps.

Sure, they can use short jumps, but the IoM has the startegic advantage within their own territory in that they can move forces greater distances, while the GE will be limited to short tactical hops.

Remember the scenario though. This ork attack is happening in the sw galaxy. So at the current point in time there is no need to map out a hyperspace route

At the current point, no. But when we expand to a greater field, and it turns into a total war? It will become significant.

If you simply take already-existing GW canon and replace 'Tau' with 'Galactic Empire' I think it'll save you a lot of work.

Technologically advanced, but numerically inferior new "species" that, on the margin, will be able to make modest success in expanding their empire but if ever forced to absorb the brunt of a full Imperial crusade will crumple like a pudding-filled paper bag.

If you look at your early-stage developments so far, it pretty much mirrors exactly the Tau-IoM interactions in the canon.

But since they are both xenophobic human cultures except for like 1 occasion on the ge side I can see them working together for a good little while. The only big concern I can see is the whole emperor issue or Vader