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KamikazeCanuck wrote:The Old Ones are the Old Ones. They are their own race. No relation to hive mind. Why does everyone keep trying to make the hive mind something else? Nobody ever says the Emperor is a Termagaunt.

No, Your wrong the emporor is a ripper swarm

Gogsnik wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:No, but the conflict that occurred between the necrons and the old one's creations made the warp what is...

I know that, I mentioned it earlier, but you said that the Old Ones created the warp, and maybe you did mean something different so fair enough, but why would I assume that you meant something completely different to what you actually said...?

I think Samus meant the Webway.

I've always liked to think that the old ones were humanoid forms, seeing as everything species they created had two arms and two legs,
Humans=The last few blood descendent's of the old ones, they're psychic powers are just hidden away until the end times begin...at least thats what I like to think in my crazy mind but you know...

Probably starting a thread in a thread, but what happened to the Old ones exactly to make them all die/disapear?

The C'tan thought they were tasty, and then as the Old Ones created the Eldar, Krork, and so on to fight back, said species caused turbulence in the warp that allowed the Krell to come out in what is known as the Enslaver Plague. Said plague either finished them off or forced them out of the galaxy, and forced the C'tan into hiding and hibernation.

From the word enslaver plague i think you mean choas right or are they other warp beings like Gork/mork.
Next can i ask how then gork/mork (the ork "gods") and the eldar gods came to be, as when i started 40k a few years back i was told they where oldones but obvs their not so what are they?

oldone wrote:From the word enslaver plague i think you mean choas right or are they other warp beings like Gork/mork.
Next can i ask how then gork/mork (the ork "gods") and the eldar gods came to be, as when i started 40k a few years back i was told they where oldones but obvs their not so what are they?

they were made by the Orks and the Eldar. They are their gods. Just the way Tzneetch, Nurgle, and Khrone were made by humans.

The Krell/Enslavers are warp-native beings which aren't daemons. They control peoples' minds and attempt to control psykers so that they can use them to form a gate through which more enslavers can pass.

Gork and Mork were created by the psychic energies of the Orks. They're utterly invincible gods of the warp, watching over and smiling upon their race.

ShadowAngel159 wrote:Does anyone not remember that the Slann were Slaaneshi-worshipping psycho lizards that were wiped out by the Emperor's Children in the HH book Fulgrim?

If that is what created the races of 40k (minus 'cronies and the roaches), may the Emperor save us all. Every being is the spawn of Slaanesh.

**puts bolt pistol to the head and prepares to pull the trigger**

the slann predate the birth of slaanesh (the chaos god) by thousands and thousands of years (maybe it was a small group of slann that turned to chaos), and the old ones themselves predate all the chaos gods.

from the fact that the warp was so quiet and safe before the c'tan/old ones galactic war, it can be guessed that the old ones were unemotional, keeping the warp entities peaceful

Melissia wrote:The Krell/Enslavers are warp-native beings which aren't daemons. They control peoples' minds and attempt to control psykers so that they can use them to form a gate through which more enslavers can pass.

Gork and Mork were created by the psychic energies of the Orks. They're utterly invincible gods of the warp, watching over and smiling upon their race.

Yeah, I think I read something about how Gork and Mork are more powerful than all the chaos gods combined.... Which brings up my question....If the orks created their own warp gods from their emotions, then why hasn't the eternal hunger of the tyranids created something in the warp?

Is it because they're a 'shadow in the warp'? That they have no presence in the warp in the first place?


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BluntmanDC wrote:

ShadowAngel159 wrote:Does anyone not remember that the Slann were Slaaneshi-worshipping psycho lizards that were wiped out by the Emperor's Children in the HH book Fulgrim?

If that is what created the races of 40k (minus 'cronies and the roaches), may the Emperor save us all. Every being is the spawn of Slaanesh.

**puts bolt pistol to the head and prepares to pull the trigger**

the slann predate the birth of slaanesh (the chaos god) by thousands and thousands of years (maybe it was a small group of slann that turned to chaos), and the old ones themselves predate all the chaos gods.

from the fact that the warp was so quiet and safe before the c'tan/old ones galactic war, it can be guessed that the old ones were unemotional, keeping the warp entities peaceful

I think they knew how powerful the warp was, and how drastically their emotions could change it, so they deliberately closed off their emotions.

The old ones? You mean the xelnaga? Wait...

The hunger of the Tyranids DID create something.

The Hive Mind.


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juraigamer wrote:The old ones? You mean the xelnaga? Wait...

No.

juraigamer wrote:The old ones? You mean the xelnaga? Wait...

-.- Wrong game

ok i have only about 2 things to say every one is saying that the Old ones were the first race bat that is false the necron gods were the first. Also the Old ones arnt part of the material world they lived in the warp if any one here has red the pasige about isha and about the grate eldar god made a barrier imbetween the warp and the fiscal world then you would no this not saying you dont just saying it didnt come to mind. Plus we already no wat the old ones looked like or atleast one of them. Khain he is a living god. Plus the old ones had wars with each other so i think they were very much like humans

Eldrad wrote:ok i have only about 2 things to say every one is saying that the Old ones were the first race bat that is false the necron gods were the first. Also the Old ones arnt part of the material world they lived in the warp if any one here has red the pasige about isha and about the grate eldar god made a barrier imbetween the warp and the fiscal world then you would no this not saying you dont just saying it didnt come to mind. Plus we already no wat the old ones looked like or atleast one of them. Khain he is a living god. Plus the old ones had wars with each other so i think they were very much like humans

Please check grammar and spelling.
Also i don't think the Old Ones are the Eldar gods...


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Also the C'tan were sort of immaterial enrgy thingies so they don't count as a race.

they were living and there were quite a fue of them so i would say they had some way of reproducing so ya i would call them a species and yes they were the eldar gods

p.s. i no i suck at spelling and i apologize for my crapy spelling

Samus_aran115 wrote:Is it because they're a 'shadow in the warp'? That they have no presence in the warp in the first place?

The Shadow in the Warp is a psychic emanation created by the hive fleet/s. In a similar way in that the Astronomican is a psychic beacon the Shadow in the Warp is a psychic blanket (although Codex Tyranids also calls it a 'beacon [of terror]'). In terms of warp deities the Tyranids have none.

Eldrad wrote:ok i have only about 2 things to say every one is saying that the Old ones were the first race bat that is false the necron gods were the first. Also the Old ones arnt part of the material world they lived in the warp if any one here has red the pasige about isha and about the grate eldar god made a barrier imbetween the warp and the fiscal world then you would no this not saying you dont just saying it didnt come to mind. Plus we already no wat the old ones looked like or atleast one of them. Khain he is a living god. Plus the old ones had wars with each other so i think they were very much like humans

Quoted for Truth.


Now I am going to take the liberty of tidying up that mess in order to respond properly.

Okay, I have only about two things to say. Everyone is saying that the Old Ones were the first race but that is false; the Necron gods were the first.

Nobody is saying anything of the sort. The Old Ones were the first sentient race to cross the stars, planet based life specifically according to Codex Necrons. That does not mean people are saying they were the first lifeforms to exist.

Also, the Old Ones aren't part of the material world, they lived in the warp and if anyone here has read the passage about Isha and about the great Eldar god that made a barrier inbetween the warp and the physical world then you would know this. I'm not saying you don't know, I'm just saying it didn't come to mind.

Firstly, the Old Ones did not live in the warp, they had mastery over it. Secondly, the passage to which you refer, The Tears of Isha, is an Eldar creation myth that has nothing to do with the Old Ones.

Plus we already know what the Old Ones looked like or at least one of them, Khaine, he is a living god.

The Eldar gods are not Old Ones.

Plus the Old Ones had wars with each other...

Untrue, unless you have a source to verify that assertion.

...so I think they were very much like humans.

Even if it were true that the Old Ones did war against each other, and I don't recall reading a single piece of background to say that they did (although I haven't read everything so I could be mistaken) it in no way infers that they were anything like humans in either appearance or mentality.

The Old Ones... are squats!

Sure I might be wrong, but the two are very VERY similar. Very. Hell starcraft was created based on 40k after all.

Melissia wrote:The hunger of the Tyranids DID create something.

The Hive Mind.

Er...I thought it was the opposite

The hive mind psychically links the Tyranid swarms, ergo it is a Warp construct. Imagine the "god" of a colony of army ants; consider biomorphs as the equivalent of Gifts of Chaos or a Hive Tyrant as a Daemon Prince. It just operates along the lines of natural selection, instead of the randomized behavior of the Chaos gods.

I sort of wonder if beings consumed by the Tyranids would also be devoured on a psychic level, unless they were strong enough to resist the Shadow in the Warp.

Mr Nobody wrote:The Old Ones... are squats!

HERSEY!
YOU JUST GOT PURGED!

Gogsnik wrote:The Eldar gods are not Old Ones.

What? Everything I've heard so far points to eldar gods = old ones.

No, timline is wrong for that theory.

The Old Ones were the first sentient race to become spacefaring having originated on a planet, evolving over time like any other species. They were however the supreme masters of the warp and their psychic abilities were great indeed.

The Eldar gods are warp entities that formed based upon various aspects of the Eldar psyche, likely at some point before the War in Heaven.

Do you know what's interesting?
Dinosaurs are older than most of the species in 40k despite their suposed ancient-ness...

Well, the old ones did mysteriously disappear, just like the dinosaurs did.


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We might be onto something.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The Old Ones are the Old Ones. They are their own race. No relation to hive mind. Why does everyone keep trying to make the hive mind something else? Nobody ever says the Emperor is a Termagaunt.

But he is a Genestealer.

That would be crazy if true and if I really meant that statement.


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juraigamer wrote:The old ones? You mean the xelnaga? Wait...

>< Why do I keep seeing references to the game made by thieves?

Every one brings up a good point ive done some thinking i still believe that the ledar followed under the influince of the old ones but the eldar gods were not myth symply because if you can turn a normal man sized biend into a giant rampaging beast there must be some sort of super natrau conection. and i dont mean chaos spawn i mean the blood avatar. also squats got ate by nids


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th one thing i dont get is why is it so imposible for the hive mind to just be a pist off god or old one in hiding some were in another galixy just directing the nids around they would be smart anough to


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and thank youph34r and Mr Nobody also i believe in the eldar gods took part in the war in the heavens

Gogsnik wrote:The Old Ones were the first sentient race to become spacefaring having originated on a planet, evolving over time like any other species. They were however the supreme masters of the warp and their psychic abilities were great indeed.

The Eldar gods are warp entities that formed based upon various aspects of the Eldar psyche, likely at some point before the War in Heaven.

Xenology has some weird and questionable stuff in it, but it implied that the Eldar gods were engineered by the Old Ones along with the Eldar. Perhaps as a way of providing touchstones for the powerful emotions and abilities of the new race, but also as tools/weapons in their own right. Eventually, their original purposes were forgotten and the Eldar began to relate to their gods in a more conventionally worshipful fashion. However, they were different aspects of the same creation.

The book also suggested that Old Ones could exist in either the Warp or realspace, and maybe didn't have a single form. The Umbra are the remains of the last of the Old Ones, after Slaanesh got through with it.