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I am an eldar player and i have resintly goten into the story and as you can probably see cant type for crap so i wanted every ones opinion on what or who do you think they are

p.s. if you think the hive mind is a pist off old one say oy

oy

The Old Ones are the Old Ones. They are their own race. No relation to hive mind. Why does everyone keep trying to make the hive mind something else? Nobody ever says the Emperor is a Termagaunt.

KamikazeCanuck wrote: Nobody ever says the Emperor is a Termagaunt.

Woah woah woah...

So your saying... The Brain Dead Emperor of the Golden Toilet Throne... ISN'T Termagaunt?!
Damn.... 20 years of my life... a lie



But no. The Old ones. Are the Old ones.
There super awesome magical guys.

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I was just trying to create some shock value. Rest assured The Emperor is a termagaunt.

Anyways, OP The Old Ones are Frog-People. No, seriously.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I was just trying to create some shock value. Rest assured The Emperor is a termagaunt.

Anyways, OP The Old Ones are Frog-People. No, seriously.

The "frog people" are the Slann. It's possible that the Slann are the Old Ones, but I don't think there's ever been much of an indication of that either way beyond an apparent comment that if you wanted to play an Old One army you should use WFB Lizardmen (who happen to be led by a very different version of Slann).

The Slann might be the Old Ones. But there's not enough information to indicate for certain.

It used to be for certain in the rt/2nd Ed days. Now, they are mentioned similarly to wfb, as servants of the old ones.

Eumerin wrote:The "frog people" are the Slann. It's possible that the Slann are the Old Ones, but I don't think there's ever been much of an indication of that either way beyond an apparent comment that if you wanted to play an Old One army you should use WFB Lizardmen (who happen to be led by a very different version of Slann).

That and in 40k the Old Ones used to be called The Old Slann.

GW have split the Slann from the Old Ones now in some respects but there are still hints that they could be the same. Nothing explicitly states otherwise.

The Old Ones created the Slann. They are totally different, some say the Slann descended from the old ones. haven't you guys ever heard of cthulu? he is one of many old ones.

Foxy_Grandpa wrote:The Old Ones created the Slann. They are totally different, some say the Slann descended from the old ones. haven't you guys ever heard of cthulu? he is one of many old ones.

Ctlulu is a plush toy, and a really cute one.

Old One = Slann, at least before GW revamp everything and removed the WFB world from the being some distant planet in 40K. Remember when 40K and Fantasy could beat each other up.

now one of my friends told me that they were actuly in the game in the first edition. aparently they looked like the lizard men

The Old Ones are the Old Ones. We know nothing more. They created the Eldar, Slaan, and Orks, amognst other races.

Well, they probably have two arms, two legs and a head, seeing everything they made seems to fallow that structure.

Mr Nobody wrote:Well, they probably have two arms, two legs and a head, seeing everything they made seems to fallow that structure.

I think they're void whales. They are lizard-like, live very long lives, and that would be amazing, for there to be these giant cities, the size of planets, floating through the warp. The reason their creations have two legs, two arms, and a head is because that is the best form for terrestrial transportation.

The Old Ones are just Slann as far as 40k is concerned. Back in RT and 2nd edition this was known, as it wasn't a big mystery. It hasn't changed since then as far as I recall. You can even go to solgens and check out the RT models of the Old Ones/Slann. Cute little lizard/frog people they are!

BuFFo wrote:The Old Ones are just Slann as far as 40k is concerned. Back in RT and 2nd edition this was known,

The fluff changes as time goes on. Rogue Trader era fluff is out of date and quite frequently unusable. In current fluff, the Old Ones created the slann, but they are not themselves slann.

That same fluff also says there's little difference between humans and Eldar, yet in modern fluff Eldar have a quintuple helix shaped DNA, thus making them completely different genetically from anything that we have ever encountered on Earth. Similarly, that same fluff that talks about the Slann (or rather, the Old Slann) states the Slann didn't have any cataclysm that ended their golden age, they just retired from galactic affairs-- quite different from the Old Ones in modern fluff, which were basically made extinct by the C'tan and Enslaver Plague.

As others have said the Old Ones are the Old Ones and not some other race, like the Tyranids. Much of the Old Ones background is based upon portions of the background found for the Slann in Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader and in Codex Necrons they are described as having a 'cold-blooded wisdom'.

That's about as much as we can say about the Old Ones although it is feasible that the Slann could be some kind of distantly related ancestor to the Old Ones or more likely the descendants of the first race the Old Ones created/fostered.

does cold blooded wisdom=logic to the point of heartlesesness and chilly lack of emotion?

Melissia wrote:In current fluff, the Old Ones created the slann, but they are not themselves slann.

In current WHFB fluff, this is the case. I haven't seen anything in 40K fluff that has altered the status of the Slann from the RT-era. Do you have an actual source for this comment?

Does anyone not remember that the Slann were Slaaneshi-worshipping psycho lizards that were wiped out by the Emperor's Children in the HH book Fulgrim?

If that is what created the races of 40k (minus 'cronies and the roaches), may the Emperor save us all. Every being is the spawn of Slaanesh.

**puts bolt pistol to the head and prepares to pull the trigger**

stompydakka wrote:does cold blooded wisdom=logic to the point of heartlesesness and chilly lack of emotion?

I think, for me, the Old Ones have always come across as a race that was supposed to be fair and even-handed, creating life and helping other races but realistically I would prefer to think of them just as you say, heartless and emotionless. In the Necron Codex the Old Ones don't seem to have much to do with the races we are familiar with until they were desperately trying to stop the C'tan from toppling all of their works and destroying their species. The result was that they fostered warlike races and either made them psychic or increased whatever psychic tendencies they already had not to benefit those races but because it suited the Old Ones purposes. This is what change the Warp from a realm of calm energy into the seething mass of uncontrolled potentitality that exists in the forty-first millennium, the origins of Choas, the Enslaver Plague and the spread of those warlike races across the galaxy, this is all down to the Old Ones.

It could well be then that these benevolent ancients were anything but and only interacted with 'the young races', (realistically those races that were in no position to stop the Old Ones from using them) in order to manipulate and control them to fulfill some specific need or design of the Old Ones. Afterall, if they did in fact create dozens of races and were able to tinker about with others, why didn't they just help the Necrontyr overcome the abnormalities their sun had caused? I mean you'd think that a species like the Old Ones, given everything we are told about them, wouldn't even have a broken a sweat reversing the damage to the Necrontyr DNA caused by the radiation of their sun. Instead we have the Necrontyr eventually coming to loathe the Old Ones and eventually, this sickly breed are utterly crushed by the overwhelming psychic and technological superiority of the Old Ones, banished to the furthest edges of the galaxy, thoroughly whipped and humiliated.

If we look at the Slann background for some idea as to what the Old Ones could have been like we see two types of Slann; technologically advanced ones (far more so than any of the other races) with a closed society and no interaction with outsiders and warlike, semi-barbaric ones. Add to this the fact that the advanced Slann have a closed society not just to other species but to their own, less sophisticated, kin. Maybe that's what the Old Ones were like, the first race, arrogant with it, crossing the starts with no effort, seeding world after world with their own kind and whenever they encountered a race they thought they could use they changed and altered them to suit. Against the horror of the C'tan it sounds like a good deal but did these races have any choice in the matter or did the Old Ones just turn up and starting messing about with their DNA? Maybe that's what got the Necrontyr so bitter, the Old Ones encountered them, saw them to be a race of twisted weaklings with inferior technology and gave them the brush off. Who knows, maybe they even threw in a little taunting for good measure, they ran rings around the Necrontyr when they finally attacked, seems like the sort of thing the Old Ones might well have done.


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ShadowAngel159 wrote:Does anyone not remember that the Slann were Slaaneshi-worshipping psycho lizards that were wiped out by the Emperor's Children in the HH book Fulgrim?

I don't remember it but it does ring a bell. Do you have a page reference?

ShadowAngel159 wrote:Does anyone not remember that the Slann were Slaaneshi-worshipping psycho lizards that were wiped out by the Emperor's Children in the HH book Fulgrim?

If that is what created the races of 40k (minus 'cronies and the roaches), may the Emperor save us all. Every being is the spawn of Slaanesh.

**puts bolt pistol to the head and prepares to pull the trigger**

Nope, don't remember that.

oy, in a way

The old ones are exactly that. OLD. No one has seen one in millions of years, and the only clues they have in the 41st millennium come from ancient eldar texts. All of them are dead, except possibly any of them that escaped to other galaxies.

The Old ones created everything in 40k (except the tyranids and necrons, afaik) which means a little piece of their appearance is in everything that's alive.

From that, we can assume they looked like necrons do now, as the necrons were supposed to be a sick and twisted imitation of the old ones themselves.

We can also assume that they were humanoid, large and very smart. That's about it

I'm convinced that both the emperor and the Hive Mind are somehow related to the old ones. The Emprah especially. His characteristics are strongly suggestive of those of the old ones. But that's just me

They are gods. Literally they are super-energy beings, when they die.

ShadowAngel159 wrote:Does anyone not remember that the Slann were Slaaneshi-worshipping psycho lizards that were wiped out by the Emperor's Children in the HH book Fulgrim?

If that is what created the races of 40k (minus 'cronies and the roaches), may the Emperor save us all. Every being is the spawn of Slaanesh.

**puts bolt pistol to the head and prepares to pull the trigger**

Utterly and completely false. The slann were one of the original races that the old ones created in the beggining of time. They later deviated into the eldar, I believe.

The name is just a coincidence, as far as I know. However, it's possible that 'slaanesh' means something like 'The perverse old one" in eldar language or something

You should also know that the warp was created by the old ones. AFTER they created the Slann. MUCH, MUCH LATER. Therefore, slaanesh couldn't have possibly existed.


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Foxy_Grandpa wrote:The Old Ones created the Slann. They are totally different, some say the Slann descended from the old ones. haven't you guys ever heard of cthulu? he is one of many old ones.

This is true. Except for that last part

Yeah. I still think they are energy beings with an attitude
either that or they are a super hybrid.

I think they were just unemotional. They were too smart for emotion, I think.

It's also mentionable that the orks were created around the same time as the slann, and that orks are still a giant part of the modern glaxy; hundreds of millions of years after they were created

Orks are the best. But these weren't really like modern orks. They were called 'krorks'

Samus_aran115 wrote:You should also know that the warp was created by the old ones.

The Old Ones did not create the warp.

Gogsnik wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:You should also know that the warp was created by the old ones.

The Old Ones did not create the warp.

No, but the conflict that occurred between the necrons and the old one's creations made the warp what is...

Samus_aran115 wrote:No, but the conflict that occurred between the necrons and the old one's creations made the warp what is...

I know that, I mentioned it earlier, but you said that the Old Ones created the warp, and maybe you did mean something different so fair enough, but why would I assume that you meant something completely different to what you actually said...?