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easily solved my opponents horde problem, after t1 he had 1/2 as many models to move and was a bt it happier about it

I've never had this happen, but I also feel like there is nothing unreasonable about a player saying - up front, before a mini touches the table - that he doesn't have much time so can't play a horde list. I understand it's been said that "if you don't have time, you shouldn't be playing 40k" - but when a game can run from an hour, to 3 hours, there is a lot of wiggle room there. Of course, I'm assuming he was polite about it, and actually left after whatever timeframe he said he had to leave in.

Is it not more likely that those that complain about horde armies are actually worried about how to deal with them? It can be daunting when a massive force lines up against you,because sooner or later they are going to get up close and personal. I play marines and Necrons and when you factor in the points cost for them, any opponent's army becomes a horde! In this case the complainer was expecting a game where he would triumph easily; His comments about the amount of time involved moving models is laughable. It boils down to: If you don't want to be horrifically outnumbered don't play 40k.

Ouze wrote:I've never had this happen, but I also feel like there is nothing unreasonable about a player saying - up front, before a mini touches the table - that he doesn't have much time so can't play a horde list. I understand it's been said that "if you don't have time, you shouldn't be playing 40k" - but when a game can run from an hour, to 3 hours, there is a lot of wiggle room there. Of course, I'm assuming he was polite about it, and actually left after whatever timeframe he said he had to leave in.

Yes. This is a very reasonable idea.

After all, if you want to play a horde game you could decide to play to a lower points limit within the time.

I love playing horde armies. It's nice to have a fight where my Vindicator can scatter 12" and still hit a butt-load of Orks.

Methinks the guy you were playing was a bit of an ass.

I think he was lying about the " I cant wait for you to move" bit and he hates hordes. Was the list he played very weak against hordes?

I would reply by adding more troops.

Hoard army movement is pretty easy to get done quickly. You'll probably notice you're huge squads have a 12" or bigger footprint. This makes movement really simple - measure 6" forward, move models from the back up to the 6" mark and behind it, basically leapfrogging the front and back of the unit each turn. Moves half the models, but moves the same distance.

Horde Army's own tyranids being spawned by the bucket full...your marines dropping 1 by 1....Ahhhhh

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ChrisCP wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Absolutely not! I love playing against hordes, watching them move 2-3 30 something man units painstackingly THEN having them move it again backwards when I lash them. Maybe I'm just cruel like that.

Haha, I would proudly show of my diverse codex knowledge, and point out it says 'moved by the chaos player'.

I respect a man's miniatures and feel having my hands on his goods shuffling around possibly getting oil on the paintwork is less than admirable. I don't like when people fiddle with my stuff too much and I'm sure others feel the same way so I merely say how far, what direction and how big of a template I want.

Hehe. My boyz are already dirty you move them ^_^

It would be entertaining I think, in a tournament setting, pulling it with someone you know.
"I lashed his boys and he refuses to move them all... again."
"But judge his codex says he has to move them, he doesn't want to either!"
Together "Ruling, ruling, ruling...."


OT: I find the most effeicent way to move large mobs is to measure the back row, measure the front row and then throw everything into with permission of course, 2 to 3 times faster~!

or use movement trays

hahaha, maybe you should thing about getting one of those spaced LOTR movement trays. terrain issues aside, it'd cut down the whining some i'm sure
I find the people who hated playing against hordes are the guys who didn't bring enough pie to the table. With enough plates anything is possible. One or two IG turns and you suddenly have a lot less boyz to shuffle about

stompydakka wrote:I think he was lying about the " I cant wait for you to move" bit and he hates hordes. Was the list he played very weak against hordes?[/quote

I remember he managed to get a redeemer and a vanilla raider in his list at 1200pts...

I've had this sort of happen to me. For one store tournament I fielded 340 models at 2000 points. It was six IG Inf Platoons with PCS and 5 Inf Squads and two CCS, came to just under 2000 points. No one outright refused to play me as it was a tournament, but I was asked not to ever do that again. The opponents I did face had a good time with our games and seemed to not mind so much. I worked so hard trying to deploy and move models so quickly that it was quite the workout. It was fun to play such a list as I had so many models and units on the board that I doubt that anyone could have killed enough of them to make a difference. The one SM player I faced did have a field day with his TFC but even they were not killing enough. I may do that again one more time for 'Ard Boyz where I can double the amount of models with the use of Conscripts to have 600+ models on the board at 2500.


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I also learned that that many models (the 340 not the 600!) will just barely fit in the deployment zone for Pitched Battle, but will not fit in the deployment zone for Spearhead. I ended up having to reserve two whole Platoons due to lack of space with bodies and terrain.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:I've had this sort of happen to me. For one store tournament I fielded 340 models at 2000 points. It was six IG Inf Platoons with PCS and 5 Inf Squads and two CCS, came to just under 2000 points. No one outright refused to play me as it was a tournament, but I was asked not to ever do that again. The opponents I did face had a good time with our games and seemed to not mind so much. I worked so hard trying to deploy and move models so quickly that it was quite the workout. It was fun to play such a list as I had so many models and units on the board that I doubt that anyone could have killed enough of them to make a difference. The one SM player I faced did have a field day with his TFC but even they were not killing enough. I may do that again one more time for 'Ard Boyz where I can double the amount of models with the use of Conscripts to have 600+ models on the board at 2500.


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I also learned that that many models (the 340 not the 600!) will just barely fit in the deployment zone for Pitched Battle, but will not fit in the deployment zone for Spearhead. I ended up having to reserve two whole Platoons due to lack of space with bodies and terrain.

As long as you finished the games when the time limit expired then no one should complain. I would not have been able to do so however if I use a footslogger list, so congrats to you if you managed it!!!

Still, I believe it was an effort to do so....it would be very stressful for me!!!

Jubear wrote:So after finding out that there is a little toy/hobby shop in my area that has a 40k/warhammer club I decided to go along and have my first pug game since I rejoined the hobby.

After introducing myself I found an opponent and he wanted to have a small 1200pt game. So I quickly wrote up a footslogging boyz list and give it to my opponent to check. I was blown away when he then refused to play! I asked why thinking that my list was a firiendly list (no KFF or ghaz) And he simply replied that he couldnt be fethed waiting for me to move my 120plus models in the movement phase.

So long story short I rewrote my list into a BW spam list drew upon my dakka knowledge to make it rock hard and tabled him in 3 turns. But my question is do alot of players not like facing horde armies because of the time involed in moving them and rolling 800 million dice?

I always felt I was performing a community service by providing all the space marines with a fully painted horde of boyz to shoot at but it seems alot of folk dont like facing such armies.

Has any other horde players had this happen to them?

forget the other guy. if he wants to be a baby then so what. if you took the time(and i mean alot of time) to paint all your orks then use them whenever you want. its your army after all. I battle people in GW who turn up with only like one squad painted and the rest black so to see a fully tooled up, painted army on a nice board is what the whole point of the game is. i'm with you on this one. I've never met someone who wouldn't battle because of that. i'd think they were more scared than anything else.

you should get some pics up of your horde, man.

Mukkin'About wrote:I find the people who hated playing against hordes are the guys who didn't bring enough pie to the table.

As a side note, I really love this expression.

freddieyu1 wrote:
As long as you finished the games when the time limit expired then no one should complain. I would not have been able to do so however if I use a footslogger list, so congrats to you if you managed it!!!

Still, I believe it was an effort to do so....it would be very stressful for me!!!

None of my games were "finished" when time was called. The first two ended on turn four, the last one turn three. If I do that again, I'll be sure to prearrange having a friend or two that are not playing specifically dedicated to help with deployment, moving, and packing up for the next round. I was not ever trying to delay, but when you have 300+ models to move in the movement phase, and then run in the shooting phase, it takes some time. I was easily breaking a sweat trying to move my stuff as fast as I could so none of my opponents were really that upset with me. I would've liked to have been able to finish the games. I may also see about investing in movement trays, but I see those having problems with terrain and I would need so many of them. It is my plan to have that whole force mechanized, so instead of 300+ models, just put down the ~40ish Chimeras. Only 25-30 more Chimeras to go!

Jubear wrote:So after finding out that there is a little toy/hobby shop in my area that has a 40k/warhammer club I decided to go along and have my first pug game since I rejoined the hobby.

After introducing myself I found an opponent and he wanted to have a small 1200pt game. So I quickly wrote up a footslogging boyz list and give it to my opponent to check. I was blown away when he then refused to play! I asked why thinking that my list was a firiendly list (no KFF or ghaz) And he simply replied that he couldnt be fethed waiting for me to move my 120plus models in the movement phase.

So long story short I rewrote my list into a BW spam list drew upon my dakka knowledge to make it rock hard and tabled him in 3 turns. But my question is do alot of players not like facing horde armies because of the time involed in moving them and rolling 800 million dice?

I always felt I was performing a community service by providing all the space marines with a fully painted horde of boyz to shoot at but it seems alot of folk dont like facing such armies.

Has any other horde players had this happen to them?

He has no real right to complain if it's a legal list, but I do understand that some players do not like playing Hordes as they feel that they take too long to move or are hard to beat. Personally, I find both ideas kinda daft; why take part in the hobby if all you're going to do is act snobbish towards someone's army.

Mustela wrote:If you only play fast games, then you don't like 40K. Period.

Why is the game now a race?

40k is much, much faster than a lot of other games out there.

Playstation generation, I tell thee, everything has to be BANG BANG SMASH POW in 5 seconds

Well that's silly, hordes are what we have flamers for!

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:I've had this sort of happen to me. For one store tournament I fielded 340 models at 2000 points. It was six IG Inf Platoons with PCS and 5 Inf Squads and two CCS, came to just under 2000 points. No one outright refused to play me as it was a tournament, but I was asked not to ever do that again. The opponents I did face had a good time with our games and seemed to not mind so much. I worked so hard trying to deploy and move models so quickly that it was quite the workout. It was fun to play such a list as I had so many models and units on the board that I doubt that anyone could have killed enough of them to make a difference. The one SM player I faced did have a field day with his TFC but even they were not killing enough. I may do that again one more time for 'Ard Boyz where I can double the amount of models with the use of Conscripts to have 600+ models on the board at 2500.


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I also learned that that many models (the 340 not the 600!) will just barely fit in the deployment zone for Pitched Battle, but will not fit in the deployment zone for Spearhead. I ended up having to reserve two whole Platoons due to lack of space with bodies and terrain.

A truly fluffy way to play IG xD

I play guard with platoon, and I'm always surprised at how few models my opponents field.

As for the buckets of dice: take three bricks of dice, remove a few, then roll that when you toss out a FRFSRF on a blob squad. Need a coffee can to roll those, I do.

I see a horde army as a challenge. While I can field more men then norm SM(I play CSM) I still can't field anything close to a horde, but they are FUN to play against. I don't mind waiting for movement to take place, gives me time to think of what will kill what.

micahaphone wrote:Well that's silly, hordes are what we have flamers for!

Yup, a well placed flamer template will ruin a horde players day. In a game against my wifes nids, my BigMek was about to become lunch to a good sized blob of gaunts. I put a burna on him, and she was literally an inch to far to charge, so on his shooting phase, he burned a crap ton of the squad. I think I killed like 10 or so in that shot. It was marvelous. Then he was lunch

I like turtl...I MEAN playing against hordes.

That's awesome how he refused to play your horde list and then you tabeled him in 3 turns with the other list. Sounds like poetic justice to me. I dont see why anyone would complain about having to wait for your opponent to move all the boyz? I would just go buy a drink or go check out some other games while I wait lol.

I'm fine with it. Just more kills for me XD. Even if I lose, I can still say. "Well I destroied you by numbers, and according to War and all of the books I read, I won due to your loss of soldiers and the fact that you will never get that many units back." But that sounds dickish if I win or lose I still have fun and we both make fun of the fact that my Devastator squad always dies. That happens ever game.

I don't mind playing horde armies. I really don't care about the time thing. When I sit down for a game I've usually got 7+hours to burn, so it's not an issue.

My only issues come from that neither of my armies are capable of defeating a horde army. My Necron lists are designed around somebody with lots of tanks, and my CSM lists are tailored to deal with infantry, but tougher infantry in smaller numbers, like SM or Necrons. But losing is part of the game, and in my case, a big part, just look at my battle records in my sig. It happens, and I fully expect to lose horribly with every game I enter. Especially horde armies.

Usual response when I see I'm about to play a horde army is "Well, there goes my chances of winning..." But I still enjoy it, even if I'm losing. I like to play, and I have fun whether I'm winning or not.

There are very, very few occasions that would make me refuse to play someone. Fielding 400 models in a 2000 point list is not one of them. It's just another fun game to play, and another loss to add to my sig.

Anybody who refused to play a horde army is being a jerk, it's a fair list, and they should accept that. Not being able to defeat an army is your own fault. Go adjust your lists or something. As for the time issue, that's understandable if they need to be somewhere, but if they just don't want to wait for you to move, they can get out of the store.

Well if people have issues with hordes then I'm going to have some issues with my nids...I'm just now starting 40k and I just got the codex today. Am I going to be expecting many problems with these types of people?