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None of the stores I play at use INAT so I'd prefer not to see it as a reference here... Same as Gwar's unofficial opinions. Anyways this will probably be addressed in a FAQ.

I heard an interesting point elsewhere today.

In a beastmaster unit, every model *DOES* have PtP. A beastmaster unit consists of 1-4 Beastmasters. That's it.

Those beastmasters may then choose to take 0+ selections of other models to be part of their unit.

But as soon as you buy any of the 0+ you are no longer an entire-PtP unit.

Not that it really matters - you can use tokens happily, and you can just roll different coloured dice for Master attacks.

For the RAW its just best to re-iterate what Yakface said.

By RAW its quite clear that if there is a pain token on a unit, then that entire unit benefits from the effects granted by pain tokens.

It is less clear whether units that consist of some models with PfP and some without can generate pain tokens. Does a unit have to consist entirely of models with X special rule to be defined as a "unit with X special rule"?

As far as RAI... one can, as always, only speculate. It seems pretty clear to me in the beastmasters unit entry that there was a deliberate effort made to separate the special rules subheadings for the different beast types, and the lack of power from pain on the non-beastmasters seems intentional. My interpretation of that data is that Phil probably wanted the beastmasters to get things like feel no pain and furious charge, while the beasts wouldn't get those things. And I also believe his intention was that harlequins will never pick up feel no pain.

But my opinion and $30 will get you a box of space marines.

Dashofpepper wrote:I heard an interesting point elsewhere today.

In a beastmaster unit, every model *DOES* have PtP. A beastmaster unit consists of 1-4 Beastmasters. That's it.

Those beastmasters may then choose to take 0+ selections of other models to be part of their unit.

Yes, and an Incubi or Wych squad has Fleet, but when an Haemonculi joins them, they can't use it because the entire unit doesn't have it. If you were to take a unit of 5 beastmasters and no beasts the 5 beastmasters could get tokens for killing units.

On a side note, 5 beastmasters with an agonizer will cost you 25 less points than a 5 man hellion squad with an agonizer. You still get the same 10 splinter pod shots and instead of 12" move you'd have a 12" assault.

It will certainly need to be FAQ'd, but I think most of you are wrong on this, and as written the beastmaster unit can't generate tokens or benefit from any that are with the unit, even if the squad consists only of beastmaster models.

The unit entry quite clearly states that the only rule that affects the entire unit is night vision, so the unit doesn't have "PfP" regardless of its composition.

The Power from Pain description in the codex is a bit misleading. It first talks about how Dark Eldar units with the PfP rule can generate tokens. As described above, the beastmaster entry doesn't have PfP under the "entire unit" heading, so this doesn't apply.

The PfP description continues on, describing the effects of the pain tokens on the units it just described. Instead repeating the phrase "Dark Eldar units with this rule" every time, the shorten it to "units" because they're continuing to talk about those types of units, and those only. As Beastmaster units don't have PfP, they don't benefit from the effects of PfP.

The beastmaster unit can certainly gain tokens from the Sharing the Pain part, but I don't see how they can benefit from it.

Dashofpepper wrote:I heard an interesting point elsewhere today.

In a beastmaster unit, every model *DOES* have PtP. A beastmaster unit consists of 1-4 Beastmasters. That's it.

Those beastmasters may then choose to take 0+ selections of other models to be part of their unit.

yeah,
I think this is wrong.. first the unit size starts at 1-5 beastmasters

page 90 wrote:beastmaster options
each beast master may be accompanied by one of the folowing options (these models join the unit)

next it tells you what rules the entire unit gets

Page 90 wrote:Special rules (entire unit):
Night Vision

that's it

Under that it tells you what rules the different parts of the unit get.
Only the beast master gets PfP.
Each of the critters gets a different perk.

this is backed up on page 30

page 30 wrote:(beastmasters only) -power from pain

Ok my opinion. I'd play it how I read the RAI.
I think the entire squad generates tokens. the beastmasters are skilled at inflicting pain via their beasts.
but I don't think that the squad should benifit from the token as they dont have PFP and they are not Dark Eldar.

Unfortunatly I think RAW says the opposite, .
No everyone in the unit has PFP so it doesn't generate tokens.
Tokens once obtained give the rules to entire squads.

So I hope this is FAQ'd before I complete my army and start playing dark eldar.

Panic...