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2010/12/10 14:42:35
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Actually, IIRC something like only 20% of the population get baptised these days.
I think you will find he means "our" generation. Those of us in our 30's & 40's would of been dipped as it was still the done thing. It would be interesting to see if the drop off has swung around with all those fake christians trying to get their kids into church schools
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2010/12/10 14:46:23
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Orlanth wrote: To try and burn the teee is pissing on the memory of veterans and our nation and is a good reason to suppose that the protests are all about defending handouts to scroungers rather than building a future in education.
Not really. The memory of veterans, and handouts to scroungers are not connected.
One can hate veterans, and still want to build a future in education just as easily as one can love veterans, and want to defend handouts to scroungers.
That is, of course, assuming that the tree was targeted for its historic significance, and not simply because it was there, and it was flammable.
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2010/12/10 14:53:17
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Actually, IIRC something like only 20% of the population get baptised these days.
I think you will find he means "our" generation. Those of us in our 30's & 40's would of been dipped as it was still the done thing. It would be interesting to see if the drop off has swung around with all those fake christians trying to get their kids into church schools
Course this is (live) infant Baptism anyway,and somewhat irrelevant so [/hijack]
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2010/12/10 17:17:46
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
"I've met Catholics, Jews, and Muslims. Some have been good, some have been bad. But why is it every atheist I've met has been a prick?"
I somewhat agree. I don't think all Atheists are bad, but I've actually seen far more hate coming from them than the Religious. Which is saying something.
Again, I know not all Atheists feel the need to attack Religion, but on the internet, most of them do.
2010/12/10 17:36:09
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
As a Catholic, having mindless vandalism like this performed here is beyond my capability to understand. Why was just this tree targetted? Was it a jibe at Christianity? Was it just a tree the scum who did this thought people would miss?
Why people feel the need to do things like this still mystifies me.
If I ever find one of those tw*ts, I might just take a saw to his limbs and see how he feels about it; same goes for the rest of them. I can live with jail time if i've managed to teach somebody something, like not to hack a sacred symbol to pieces.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
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2010/12/10 18:07:37
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Im quite firmly atheist myself but i cant understand this, why would you cut down a tree and not use it? i mean if it was the last source of firewood for miles and you die otherwise fair enough but just mindlessly killing something purely to annoy locals? its just stupid.
2010/12/10 18:27:07
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
The article is quite stright forward in that the land owner is a bit of a knob and owed money. The suspicion is that the tree was cut down as some kind of revenge or act of retribution.
Never mind, take a cutting and grow another. It's not like this very tree was the original one anyway. You can cut trees quite harshly and it will grow back, it's called pollarding and becuase it's been done in the winter it will probably come back quite strong in the spring.
Some arse will still call it a miracle though!
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2010/12/10 18:34:41
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Orlanth wrote: To try and burn the teee is pissing on the memory of veterans and our nation and is a good reason to suppose that the protests are all about defending handouts to scroungers rather than building a future in education.
Not really. The memory of veterans, and handouts to scroungers are not connected.
One can hate veterans, and still want to build a future in education just as easily as one can love veterans, and want to defend handouts to scroungers.
That is, of course, assuming that the tree was targeted for its historic significance, and not simply because it was there, and it was flammable.
Agreed, the tree was there so it was a target. That is no excuse, the memories of veterans sacrifices can be 'pissed on' either deliberately on unthinkingly. In either case students are by definition expected to number amongst the educated, so any ignorance of the meaning behind the Trafalgar Square tree is no defence.
The point remains, students acted in a manner that symbolises: 'we want, and if we don't get, society will pay.' Noone can accuse the Trafalgar Square tree's owners or doners of hiking up tuition fees, nor didanyone in whose memory it represents. Crossing pickets outside Westminster makes some sense, the random acts of wanton violence do much to discredit their cause. Especially when they damage the memory of people who have a lot better understanding of paying into society than the grasping fething students will ever know.
BTW Sorry about the appalling typos in that earlier post, even worse than usual.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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2010/12/10 19:11:44
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Bill Maher. This guy is the poster child Atheist, and oddly enough, is a total Ahole as far as pushing his ideals on others. I think that helps a bit on why many people think of Atheists as the same
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2010/12/10 19:34:18
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Frazzled wrote:I don't know about that Matty, as the comedian once said:
"I've met Catholics, Jews, and Muslims. Some have been good, some have been bad. But why is it every atheist I've met has been a prick?"
But I'm not a...
HEY!
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2010/12/10 19:50:08
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
KingCracker wrote:Bill Maher.
This guy is the poster child Atheist, and oddly enough, is a total Ahole as far as pushing his ideals on others. I think that helps a bit on why many people think of Atheists as the same
I would consider the 'poster child' atheists are the people Matty appears to envision: University seated intellectuals using long words while wearing tweed, pipe smoking optional.
By and large they do a good job as the public face of atheism. Not always though, Dawkins for example of late appears to have more angst than reason behind his view on religion. It also doesn't help that the atheist elite share university positions with people who are just as smart and tweedy who also openly practice one or other religion.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2010/12/10 20:04:08
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
KingCracker wrote:Bill Maher.
This guy is the poster child Atheist, and oddly enough, is a total Ahole as far as pushing his ideals on others. I think that helps a bit on why many people think of Atheists as the same
I would consider the 'poster child' atheists are the people Matty appears to envision: University seated intellectuals using long words while wearing tweed, pipe smoking optional.
You mean C.S. Lewis? Or Charles Dodgson?
Also, Bill Maher is a tool, and isn't just becuase he's an atheist, he's also a member of PETA.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2010/12/10 20:05:03
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
I m'self am Atheist, but even so, it's a real shame to see something ancient and arguably part of the culture of the local area wrecked, most likely for some sort of bad joke. I mean, whether you're religious or not, there's beauty in everything, and it's a great pity to see that beauty vandalised. After all, religion has produced nice things, like the ornate churches, beautiful pieces of art and my local vicar, who's as nice a guy as you could want to meet.
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Melissia wrote:Stopping power IS a deterrent. The bigger a hole you put in them the more deterred they are.
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2010/12/10 21:10:13
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
I'm Atheist, but I respect others beliefs as long as they dont go out of there way to upset others. As with most things in life moderation is key.
I am also a trainee wood butcher (carpenter) so am responsible for my fair share of dead trees, but this was more than a tree, it was a symbol of the faith of millions. Even as a non believer I think this was an incredibly dickish thing to do. Seeing as those responsible will probably not be caught and even if they are will get no more than a slap on the wrist I can only hope they get arse cancer.
Am suprised that there wasn't a preservation order on it though.
LordofHats wrote:I was unaware the current tree wasn't the original. Hopefully they can plant a new one. I said hearing about the 16th century church burned down in Finland. This is more depressing...
That was probably Atheists, Scandinavia has a huge problem with very aggressive Atheists who have burned down a lot of churches.
im pretty sure that church was burned by drunks
2010/12/10 22:46:42
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
LordofHats wrote:I was unaware the current tree wasn't the original. Hopefully they can plant a new one. I said hearing about the 16th century church burned down in Finland. This is more depressing...
That was probably Atheists, Scandinavia has a huge problem with very aggressive Atheists who have burned down a lot of churches.
im pretty sure that church was burned by drunks
Ironically that makes me feel better. At least they were impaired XD
Im 8 pints deep so forgive typos, but really don't understand why people have to get so offended. I don't see my stance as "aggressive" atheism, but more "defensive" atheism.
If nobody talked about Religion, then i wouldnt talk about it either, but Religious people arent happy with it that way are they?
They demand preferential treatment, they demand tax breaks when everybody else pays their taxes, they demand the right to lie to children and fly in the face of widely accepted Science. They demand the right to knock on my bloody door when im hungover on a Sunday morning and talk gak to me when im in my dressing gown. Do atheists like me go doorknocking?!
It is pure tomfoolery on the Religious lobbies part! I can happily rub along with Religious people, one of my best mates is a creationist, and sure we argue about it when were leathered, but thats about as far as it goes. I can be and am friends with Religious people because 99.99% of our time isnt spent talking about it.
But when you try to have one rule for you, and another one for everybody else, i get very very angry. It offends me outrageously, and i will argue until the cows come home to get it sorted. What is aggressive about that?!
Islam is my favourite to pick on, because i was born and baptised (with no say in the matter obviously) C of E and am therefore slightly biased, so ill start there. It is inherantly anti woman, anti gay, and anti common sense. And if i point this out i am being aggressive?! How does that work? And what planet do you have to be on to think that it is FAIR? Is pointing out the sky is blue aggressive?
I think a great many of you know deep down that your position is unfair, but you wont admit it. And ive been here long enough for you lot to get to know me and therefore to say so. I would happily go for a pint with Orlanth, Frazz, and almost all of the well meaning Christians that frequent this forum, because our Religious beliefs dont rule our whole lives, we can be pals and just avoid the subject, but lets be honest with ourselves eh? Was anything i said there REALLY that far off base?
The NHS spends 80 million pounds a year on priests?! Cant we just buy ambulances?!!
Anyway, i cant argue the toss anymore tonight, as im up early for work. We shall doubtless continue this on the morrow!
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2010/12/11 00:04:12
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
LordofHats wrote:I was unaware the current tree wasn't the original. Hopefully they can plant a new one. I said hearing about the 16th century church burned down in Finland. This is more depressing...
That was probably Atheists, Scandinavia has a huge problem with very aggressive Atheists who have burned down a lot of churches.
Angry Angry Atheists?
is there any other kind?
2010/12/11 00:17:39
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Is there some kind a OT Dakka law that says every 3rd or 4th thread has to turn into atheists vs Christians? Seriously someone needs to do an analysis..I mean really get down into it and give us some statistics which show how many posts in.. before the first grenade is tossed and who usually throws the first grenade.
LOL
GG
2010/12/11 05:29:12
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
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hemingway wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:
Stormrider wrote:
LordofHats wrote:I was unaware the current tree wasn't the original. Hopefully they can plant a new one. I said hearing about the 16th century church burned down in Finland. This is more depressing...
That was probably Atheists, Scandinavia has a huge problem with very aggressive Atheists who have burned down a lot of churches.
Angry Angry Atheists?
is there any other kind?
Ansty Angry Atheists.
A lower level creature.
generalgrog wrote:Is there some kind a OT Dakka law that says every 3rd or 4th thread has to turn into atheists vs Christians? Seriously someone needs to do an analysis..I mean really get down into it and give us some statistics which show how many posts in.. before the first grenade is tossed and who usually throws the first grenade.
LOL
GG
Well, 1 in 5 OT threads turning religious is par for the course on Dakka. But it's Christmas Season, the time of plenty and sharing! Enjoy your flaming-religion present!
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2010/12/11 06:08:45
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
mattyrm wrote: It was more than likely done by scummy teenage vandals, for no other reason than it was there, and some of these ridiculous comments are typical of brainwashed (almost always American) Christians who wish to demonise people that dont hold to their big book of desert fables.
As an American and a Chirstian, I am offended by this statement. I dont understand why you would lump all of America (The MOST diverse country in the world) into one group of ignorance. And without Christianity, many old works of literature would have been lost.
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2010/12/11 06:30:31
Subject: Re:2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
mattyrm wrote: It was more than likely done by scummy teenage vandals, for no other reason than it was there, and some of these ridiculous comments are typical of brainwashed (almost always American) Christians who wish to demonise people that dont hold to their big book of desert fables.
As an American and a Chirstian, I am offended by this statement. I dont understand why you would lump all of America (The MOST diverse country in the world) into one group of ignorance. And without Christianity, many old works of literature would have been lost.
Lots of sculptures, paintings, etc. too. Though to be honest, the muslims deserve some credit too.
That said, I could believe a bunch of drunk idiots did it. I'm a college student. I've seen the effects of alcohol on the already impaired
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mattyrm wrote: It was more than likely done by scummy teenage vandals, for no other reason than it was there, and some of these ridiculous comments are typical of brainwashed (almost always American) Christians who wish to demonise people that dont hold to their big book of desert fables.
As an American and a Chirstian, I am offended by this statement. I dont understand why you would lump all of America (The MOST diverse country in the world) into one group of ignorance. And without Christianity, many old works of literature would have been lost.
Lots of sculptures, paintings, etc. too. Though to be honest, the muslims deserve some credit too.
That said, I could believe a bunch of drunk idiots did it. I'm a college student. I've seen the effects of alcohol on the already impaired
Yes, the muslims did a lot. We would be in a whole different world without them. I usually dont have a problem with Muslims, as long as they arent trying to kill US citizens.
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Ouze wrote: I can't wait to buy one of these, open the box, peek at the sprues, and then put it back in the box and store it unpainted for years.
2010/12/11 06:44:23
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Monster Rain wrote:I didn't think I could like him less.
I was wrong.
I, however, thank him for introducing me to Reginald Foster.
Skip ahead to :46 to see the interview.
Best. Priest. Ever.
You know I watched that movie after it came out on video...and the thing that struck me was that the guy picked a bunch of easy targets. It would be hilarious to see Bill Mahr interview a real apologist..you know someone that has actually studied logic, ancient greek and theology.
GG
2010/12/11 07:09:08
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
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generalgrog wrote:You know I watched that movie after it came out on video...and the thing that struck me was that the guy picked a bunch of easy targets. It would be hilarious to see Bill Mahr interview a real apologist..you know someone that has actually studied logic, ancient greek and theology.
GG
I also noted how (for the most part) his targets were easy enough. Of course, I think that was one of his points. If your average follower of the faith can't even answer some of the more basic doctrinal issues why are they following that faith in the first place?
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