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2010/12/11 20:06:34
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Avatar 720 wrote:
Can't some of you just respect someone else's views on life? It is their life after all, and they are welcome to whatever they believe. It may or may not be correct, but it is not up to you to try and convince them of that.
Well, its also our lives. What other people do has an effect on us all, so we question one another. I mean, life would be really, really boring if we didn't.
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2010/12/11 20:11:07
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
dogma wrote:Its funny really, because Western society seems to view atheism and Islam in much the same light. In essence, both are seen as being monolithic in the sense that all Muslims believe X, just as all atheists apparently believe Y. Its sort of ridiculous really.
I would have thought that the "some flavors" qualifier in the quote of mine that you used would have have made it clear that I didn't think that...
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Ahtman wrote:So if atheism is a religion does that mean that ∅ is now a number as well?
I didn't say it was a religion, I said it was equally as much of a leap to say that there is a Higher Power/Spiritual Truth than to positively state that there isn't.
There's a difference.
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dogma wrote:Here's the thing, you're attributing a structure to the whole of a category on the basis of nothing other than membership in that category.
I'm actually attributing structure based on observed behaviors of people that identify themselves as members of that group.
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2010/12/11 20:14:44
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Monster Rain wrote:
I would have thought that the "some flavors" qualifier in the quote of mine that you used would have have made it clear that I didn't think that...
It would have had you not been responding to Da Boss in a manner that suggested that atheism was a religion.
To reiterate, my point is that neither atheism nor theism are religions. There are some religions that are theistic, and some that are atheistic, but the categories of atheism and theism are not related to religion such that we can say that some forms of atheism are religious, or some forms of theism are religious.
Its a distinction of emphasis.
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2010/12/11 20:17:44
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Monster Rain wrote:
I didn't say it was a religion, I said it was equally as much of a leap to say that there is a Higher Power/Spiritual Truth than to positively state that there isn't.
There's a difference.
Clearly, but since atheism is a negation it is nominally thought to include all response that are not yes with respect to the question "do you belive in God".
As such, I can simply say no, indicating the lack of a belief, and still be an atheist that does not actively believe in the absence of a God.
Monster Rain wrote:
I'm actually attributing structure based on observed behaviors of people that identify themselves as members of that group.
Sure, but what part of the group?
Again, I could state that all theists believe in the divinity of Jesus because I have observed theists that believe ine divinity of Jesus. I don't do that, because I instead choose to classify people according to what they say. In essence, some theists believe in the divinity of Jesus and I call them Christians, just as some atheists like the FSM and I call them atheists that like the FSM (or some yet to be determined proper name).
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2010/12/11 20:19:48
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
And, now that I think about it, there is no reason that one cannot be religious and a follower a conventionally theistic religion if that religion does not require the acceptance of any particular thing as explicitly divine.
Not that it matters, we should all be hunting bass anyway.
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2010/12/11 20:55:28
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Avatar 720 wrote:
Can't some of you just respect someone else's views on life? It is their life after all, and they are welcome to whatever they believe. It may or may not be correct, but it is not up to you to try and convince them of that.
Well, its also our lives. What other people do has an effect on us all, so we question one another. I mean, life would be really, really boring if we didn't.
I don't question athiests about why they don't believe in God, but I should have to put up with people questioning (if it is ever just questions) my beliefs because the other alternative is boredom?
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2010/12/11 21:00:39
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Avatar 720 wrote:
I don't question athiests about why they don't believe in God, but I should have to put up with people questioning (if it is ever just questions) my beliefs because the other alternative is boredom?
Yes.
Well, or you can violently oppose it, but that seems like a poor alternative; what, with jail and all.
If you want a better reason, then you should realize that it isn't going to stop, because people are curious, and you should thus find a way to cope.
If you want an even better reason: being uncritical of ones own beliefs is pathetically lazy, and indicative of a lack of conviction. If you really want to go with gusto with respect to your beliefs, then you should question them every day. If not, then you shouldn't give a damn about the questions others ask.
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Monster Rain wrote:I'm a big proponent of the idea that an idea isn't worth haven't unless its been challenged.
If you ever come to Chicago, we may need to have a drink or two.
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2010/12/11 21:41:55
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Avatar 720 wrote:
Can't some of you just respect someone else's views on life? It is their life after all, and they are welcome to whatever they believe. It may or may not be correct, but it is not up to you to try and convince them of that.
Well, its also our lives. What other people do has an effect on us all, so we question one another. I mean, life would be really, really boring if we didn't.
I don't question athiests about why they don't believe in God, but I should have to put up with people questioning (if it is ever just questions) my beliefs because the other alternative is boredom?
avatar, I'm a Christian and I don't have any problem whatsoever with people asking me about or challenging my faith. I only get angry when they do it disrespectfully.
I think being challenged is healthy to someone that is genuinely trying to enhance their walk with God. Knowing why you believe what you believe is very important, and is in fact a trait encouraged and praised by Paul the apostle.
GG
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dogma wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
You know I watched that movie after it came out on video...and the thing that struck me was that the guy picked a bunch of easy targets. It would be hilarious to see Bill Mahr interview a real apologist..you know someone that has actually studied logic, ancient greek and theology.
You know that the guy in the clip was a Latinist to the Pope, right?
Yes but latin is the language of Rome, while Greek is the language of the New testament. Also I would agree with a lot of what Father Reginald said..except the Hell part, unless I misunderstood his position.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I would agree with the premise that pure atheism is not religious. The problem is that most atheists aren't pure, and have some religious adoration of atheism. I give you Richard Dawkins as exhibit A, and Christopher Hitchens as exhibit B.
Now if you are talking about faith, then yes atheists certainly do exhibit faith, when they say that there is no God, because everyone knows that you cannot scientifically prove the nonexistence of God. Just as you cannot scientifically prove the existence of God. You can only point to evidence of either position and use faith from that point on.
GG
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2010/12/12 05:54:59
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
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generalgrog wrote:I would agree with the premise that pure atheism is not religious. The problem is that most atheists aren't pure, and have some religious adoration of atheism. I give you Richard Dawkins as exhibit A, and Christopher Hitchens as exhibit B.
I would certainly hope that Richard Dawkins is not an example of most atheists.
Now if you are talking about faith, then yes atheists certainly do exhibit faith, when they say that there is no God, because everyone knows that you cannot scientifically prove the nonexistence of God. Just as you cannot scientifically prove the existence of God. You can only point to evidence of either position and use faith from that point on.
GG
I think you are confusing 'I don't believe in God' with the positive affirmation 'I believe that God does not exist'.
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
2010/12/12 06:25:01
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
generalgrog wrote:I would agree with the premise that pure atheism is not religious. The problem is that most atheists aren't pure, and have some religious adoration of atheism. I give you Richard Dawkins as exhibit A, and Christopher Hitchens as exhibit B.
I would certainly hope that Richard Dawkins is not an example of most atheists.
Now if you are talking about faith, then yes atheists certainly do exhibit faith, when they say that there is no God, because everyone knows that you cannot scientifically prove the nonexistence of God. Just as you cannot scientifically prove the existence of God. You can only point to evidence of either position and use faith from that point on.
GG
I think you are confusing 'I don't believe in God' with the positive affirmation 'I believe that God does not exist'.
Doesn't matter.... both of those beliefs require faith.
GG
2010/12/12 06:27:14
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
The argument about faith vs belief has been rehearsed on DakkaDakka before.
There is a distinction between belief in a reasonable yet incomplete set of facts, and faith in something for which evidence is lacking.
The non-existence of a deity does not require positive proof, unless you make the prior assumption that a deity is necessary for the universe to exist. If the universe can be explained from observed evidence, without recourse to a supernatural explanation, then no faith is required to disbelieve in a deity.
generalgrog wrote:
I would agree with the premise that pure atheism is not religious. The problem is that most atheists aren't pure, and have some religious adoration of atheism. I give you Richard Dawkins as exhibit A, and Christopher Hitchens as exhibit B.
First off, there is no such thing as "pure" atheism. You are either an atheist, or you aren't., that's the end of it.
Second, atheism is a category, like theism, it necessitates only the absence of a a belif in God.
Honestly, I don't understand why this is difficult
generalgrog wrote:
Now if you are talking about faith, then yes atheists certainly do exhibit faith, when they say that there is no God, because everyone knows that you cannot scientifically prove the nonexistence of God. Just as you cannot scientifically prove the existence of God. You can only point to evidence of either position and use faith from that point on.
GG
Atheism is not the belief in the absence of God, it is merely the lack of beliief in God.
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generalgrog wrote:
Doesn't matter.... both of those beliefs require faith.
GG
Please, explain to us how the absence of s belief rehires faith of any sort.
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2010/12/12 12:27:26
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Dogma, i think i have argued with Orlanth and GG about this on about 6 seperate occasions. You can't get them to accept the point, because if everyone is Religious, then it makes their position look better. I would'nt bother going on about it anymore and merely agree to disagree.
All I simply say is that i do not have "faith" that there is no God either, i just think their is a lack of empirical evidence for it. Im not 100% certain that there is nothing out there, im humble enough to realise the extent of my intellect, and the scope of the cosmos, and there is a slim chance that there is a prime mover of sorts.. some sort of force or God or whatever.
Does that make me an aggressive agnostic and not an atheist?
I dont much care what the label is, It means nothing to me. I just really know that Chrisitianity and Judaism and Islam are false for numerous reasons.
I have no real issue with Deism. Whatever floats your boat, and those type of people dont try and force their opinions on to me. I have real issues with the big three because their faith affects MY life, and i dont like it one bit.
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2010/12/12 13:39:36
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
mattyrm wrote:Dogma, i think i have argued with Orlanth and GG about this on about 6 seperate occasions. You can't get them to accept the point, because if everyone is Religious, then it makes their position look better. I would'nt bother going on about it anymore and merely agree to disagree.
That is because your point doesn't make sense, and you apply beliefs in contradiction to it.
mattyrm wrote:
All I simply say is that i do not have "faith" that there is no God either, i just think their is a lack of empirical evidence for it. Im not 100% certain that there is nothing out there, im humble enough to realise the extent of my intellect, and the scope of the cosmos, and there is a slim chance that there is a prime mover of sorts.. some sort of force or God or whatever.
You don't know, but you continue to affirm a choice anyway. That is faith.
You either know or you do not, faith is the 'evidence of things unseen' when belief takes over beyond what is provided for.
I have no 'faith' in the sun and the moon, I have faith that God will be there for me.
mattyrm wrote:
Does that make me an aggressive agnostic and not an atheist?
Perhaps, but you say atheist, and you say atheist when you bash religion. So atheist it is, unless atheists disown you.
mattyrm wrote:
I just really know that Chrisitianity and Judaism and Islam are false for numerous reasons.
You just know they are all false. Thats a statement of faith right there. There is no proof of any of this, yes the above creeds are mutually exclusive to some degree.
I cannot disprove Islam, I choose to believe an alternative.
mattyrm wrote:
I have no real issue with Deism. Whatever floats your boat, and those type of people dont try and force their opinions on to me. I have real issues with the big three because their faith affects MY life, and i dont like it one bit.
Actually you do seem to have an issue with it Matty, quite frequently actually. The amount of times you have critiqued people for following a "book of desert fables" and affirming that you believe it should have no place in our society is:
- focring your opinions on others
- going it with emotional force.
Not only is that faith, its fundamentalism.
I don't know how to amend this, its clear, but too direct so it looks a lot crabbier than I intend it to be. Matty appears a nice guy, and not a viscious dogmatist, I just don't think he thinks through his theology.
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Kilkrazy wrote:
The non-existence of a deity does not require positive proof, unless you make the prior assumption that a deity is necessary for the universe to exist. If the universe can be explained from observed evidence, without recourse to a supernatural explanation, then no faith is required to disbelieve in a deity.
If the defining concept of a deity is am immaterial being with invisible influence on the universe, which doesn't cover all gods but does cover the better known ones, then the inability for empirical science to find it is no guarantee that is is not there.
You don't search for stars by checking the attic.
The next question is: if there is no evidence no matter how far we look, why bother believing. The answer is that there is evidence within.
So let us assume science was able to find categoric proof we descended from apes, which we are close to doing to the extent we can track the path. Seventh day adventists go nuts over this, I do not. I am a creationist not an Intelligent Design believer because I don't believe in Intelligent Design, its just creationism with the medieval assumptions taken out, its not in any way new.God
Where is God in all this. If evolution is random apes might not have resulted in humans, it could have resulted in anything. However apes did result in us, this to science is random, but it may well have been the decision of a God.
This makes better sense theologically than other options. God ordered the universe, and all subsequent acts indicated he obeys his own rules. Hence Jusdaic Law (or Koranic if you believe that way). Hence why Jesus had to die on the cross for sin, God could have chosen to just let us in anyway.
If God is bound by his laws then perhaps like us he lives within them. an honest man who obeys the law of the land influcens society around him by honest living. A true God living within the law of the universe decides which way fate goes, he creates man by setting the path that leads to man.
This of itself means nothing, but I do know something that does. Prophesy.
Prophesy is when God talks to you and makes promises or predictions. It has happened to me numerous times, God said to me go there and you will see this. I did and I did see what I was told I would see, what I heard was immaterial, what I saw was material. It was no delusion, the consequences were real, and it was no cause and effect. I had no control on whether what I was promised would be there or any logic of itself to believe it would be there.
This normally involved supposed 'chance' meetings with people, on two occassions it led me to a small amount of lost money. Some churches like to call these events 'God-insidence', and its happens rather a lot.
This does not happen as often as it once did, perhaps my faith is not as good now, or my walk with God less close.
Some of the best examples of this come on the book Cross and the Switchblade, where Rev Wilkinson stumbled blindly into a ministry with New York street gangs, did many unsafe things amnd ended up with a string of veery positive long odds coincidences from them. It would have been lunacy he he not clearly heard from God go there and this will happen, after awhile you get to trust in the truth:
God is out there, and He is in control.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2010/12/12 14:21:17
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Please, explain to us how the absence of s belief rehires faith of any sort.
Because there is a reason why someone has an"absence of belief". Belief doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are influences, doctrines, evidences that lead someone to making a belief choice. You don't just wake up one day and say "I believe there is no God" You wake up one day and say "I believe there is no God BECAUSE of X and Y".
that = faith.
GG
2010/12/12 14:34:05
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Orlanth wrote:
That is because your point doesn't make sense, and you apply beliefs in contradiction to it.
Actually you do seem to have an issue with it Matty, quite frequently actually. The amount of times you have critiqued people for following a "book of desert fables" and affirming that you believe it should have no place in our society is:
- focring your opinions on others
- going it with emotional force.
Not only is that faith, its fundamentalism.
No mate, because you can be a "man of faith" but deny being Religious, and believe in a "God" but not any of the big three monotheistic belief systems.
I have such an issue with them, because they allow their Religion into the public sphere with lawmaking. Abortion is still illegal in Ireland, Stem Cell research was suspended and science was stymied under Bush, Gay marriage is being rejected, and i like to think that you know, we should make all people equal?
All of these things impact my life, so i have no issue with a man who says he believes in a higher power, because he doesnt have a big book of rules he has to try and force onto me. I was absolutely appalled and disgusted about prop 8 in California, when Black Americans voted to send Gay Blacks to the back of the bus on the same day that a Black President was elected. And lets not have any denials, the number one reason that the right was taken away from homosexuals was because of the Religious lobby.
Again, i take issue with Religion because it affects other people who do not follow the faith, can you really not see why that would annoy me? Atheism doesnt affect other people, because not believing in a God (or thinking there might not be one or thinking that there is little evidence for one) doesnt have any rules. And there isnt a big book of unbelief that we all must follow.
Would it annoy you if Sharia law was imposed upon the UK?
You know it would!
And you know that what I am saying is entirely fair, you just dont want to give an inch because your a devout bloke and it is an argument you want to win. Thats fair enough and i can understand your point entirely, and i have toned down my anti religious rants somewhat because i spend alot of time talking with guys like you and i can see you are a reasonable kind of chap, but ulimately i feel that my stance is not aggressive but simply defensive, because you guys get an unfair slice of the pie! If science and education and foreign policy and human rights and equality were in no way affected by Religion, then i wouldnt feel the need to talk about it at all, hence my Deism argument.
Why do Religious people have more of a say than non Religious people? Is that fair?
Anyway, not believing in God can not be classed as a Religion anymore than not playing 40k can be classed as a hobby. I follow no holy books, have no holy buildings, dont pray, dont meet anybody else, dont have "faith" that there is no God (just a Theistic one) and dont really give a gak other than the fact that i dont want people ramming their rules down everybody elses throats.
But as i said, we have had this out before, and you insist it is a Religion and I don't, and I am happy to leave it there.
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2010/12/12 14:44:13
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
generalgrog wrote:
Because there is a reason why someone has an"absence of belief". Belief doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are influences, doctrines, evidences that lead someone to making a belief choice. You don't just wake up one day and say "I believe there is no God" You wake up one day and say "I believe there is no God BECAUSE of X and Y".
that = faith.
GG
No, you clearly don't understand what I wrote. Well, or you do, and your argument is from willful ignorance.
There is a difference between believing that there is no God, and not believing in God; but both entail atheism according to parametric (conventional) logic.
The latter is the default position, the position of ignorance, in your argument.
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Orlanth wrote:
Perhaps, but you say atheist, and you say atheist when you bash religion. So atheist it is, unless atheists disown you.
No, that is, among other things, a fallacy of necessity.
X does not define Y when Y is a general category, and X is a specific incident.
Induction requires far, far more than 1 person speaking to 1 idea.
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2010/12/12 15:08:38
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
It is futile to assume that atheist and theistic choices are intellectual matters, they are not, they are emotional matters at the core. One can apply them with intellect, but the deep seated emotion positive or negative will always surface.
With regards to choice of religion, we become as we choose.
One might try to hide behind mathematics, but at the core you me and everyone else chooses, and the choice comes from within. I could give 'excuses' for why I am a Christian, examples of what God has done in my life and others, reasons why I beleive and many are intellectual arguments but ultimately they are excuses, the fact is I chose to believe at some point.
I challenge anyone to say different, we all made choices, even if we intend to review those choices later. Even if the choice is intended to be temporary.
This is how things are. Its what makes fundamentalists, and fanatics and saints, martyrs and why atheism has its share of all the above. It's why Dawkins for all his posturing of intellectualism, 'just cant let it go'. It's why many atheists here no matter how they try to hide behind formulae are subject to the same emotional pressures as Grog and I.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2010/12/12 15:13:14
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
Orlanth wrote:It is futile to assume that atheist and theistic choices are intellectual matters, they are not, they are emotional matters at the core. One can apply them with intellect, but the deep seated emotion positive or negative will always surface.
Yes, let's keep begging that question.
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2010/12/12 16:20:36
Subject: 2,000 year old tree cut down by vandals, Sacred site to Christians.
I know thats kinda off topic, but i don't want to have another Religious argument with you guys.
I actually feel really sorry for the guy, because is his record Scientifically not excellent?
Nowadays people try to make him out to be stupid, try to slate his work, say he is a "bad Scientist" but would anybody say that about him in say.. 2001? Wouldnt he be pretty well regarded as a great Biologist?
I remember seeing the Farraday Christmas lectures he did in the early nineties, and it is a very distinguished thing to do. He was also in one of the top jobs in Oxford, and his seminal work on Biology (The Selfish Gene) is pretty much required reading for Biology students, he famously coined the term MEME and .. well.. there are literally hundreds of accolades you could put at the blokes door.
Basically i feel sorry for him because I think that he has become so famous as THE ATHEIST his works seem to have been largely forgotten. I often wonder if he regrets the whole God Dellusion thing and wishes he could just go back to being " that good Biologist who was invited to give the Farraday Christmas lectures a few times and wrote the Selfish Gene"
What do you lot think? Bear in mind i am interested in your opinions here, and i am not a Scientist, and i didnt go to Uni, so all i know is what i have read (i read alot though) and in my mind, he is a good Scientist, as he is well regarded by other Biologists.
But i don't know for sure, im a killer not a Biologist!
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