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Gulliman is dead. No evidence to support he is actually alive.. just wishful thinking.

Also Johnson is the only "loyalist" primarch still alive. Held in stasis inside the Rock that is confirmed.

So all in all the number of Primarchs on each side could be even.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarch

meh. Guys get back ontopic now.

"Rumored to be healing" no canon evidence to support it. Just fan speculation.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarch

Lexicanum provides thee with a fluffy graph of the primarchs and their fates.

Hurrah for nerds with too much time on their hands!

LegacyOfBaal wrote:Most of the Chaos Primarchs are alive. Horus, Kurze and Alpharius are dead.

Loyalists are either dead or missing. Vulkan, Corax, Jaghati and Russ are all missing.

Alpharius may not be dead, it's only possible... though only very unlikely he is dead

Beaten to the punch

So cant go by age with the Primarches(Unless you go by the daemons, which isn't a very sound way to go)Where did you find out about the Primarches? Are they explained in other codexs as the only one i have is just the generic one.

Alpharius is dead. Omegion is the one who is alive. So in reality the Alpha Legion primarch is still alive.

Asherian Command wrote:meh. Guys get back ontopic now.

No.


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LegacyOfBaal wrote:Alpharius is dead. Omegion is the one who is alive. So in reality the Alpha Legion primarch is still alive.

Eh nah. Probably not.

LegacyOfBaal wrote:Alpharius is dead. Omegion is the one who is alive. So in reality the Alpha Legion primarch is still alive.

it could never be confirmed, and as ultra smurfs chapter master has had visions of him... it seems in all likely hood that he is quite alive

Alpharus/Omegon

we really don't know which one was killed.

most likely it was Alpharus who was killed.



More on Topic: no space marine has died of old age, although marines DO show Aging signs and are occasionally unable to continue to serve on the front lines from a combination of Age and injury.

the BA Geneseed, for some reason, slows the aging process.


there are space marines from the time of the heresy still alive although they are all in Dreadnoughts(Bjorn, BA Furiosos)


Logan Grimnar is well over 700 and still kicking. prehaps this is because the Space Wolf geneseed hasn't been corroupted by the creation of new chapters like other genestocks.

LegacyOfBaal wrote:"Rumored to be healing" no canon evidence to support it. Just fan speculation.

Think the 'rumored to be healing' was confirmed in the Ultramarines books, although I lent my copy of the omnibus to a friend so I can't confirm it, it's just a memory. But, even then, it was still just a rumor and thought to be impossible.

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There's alot of fluff, quotes from various sources that you could fairly definatively say that if a Space Marine lived long enough, he would die of old age, although they conflict a fair bit on how long that would be....at the same time, I won't deny there is evidence to the contrary, I've just found more proof that they will die of old age eventually in my travels.

However, it's unlikely to ever happen. They are the Emperors Angels of Death, His Space Marines, bred for war. They would rather die in battle than old and infirm, unable to wield a bolter any longer, and would likely take to the battlefield for one last blaze of glory, one last saga for the bards to tell in ages to come, and fall sending the fallen traitors howling into the warp/foul xenos do their doom.

"Brothers, I believe I've had too much prune juice as I just had a heretical accident in my power armor"



Codex Pictures seem to think they age.

No they do not die of old age. In Soul Hunter by ADB, they are referred to as immortal.

The matter of certain CSM being ten thousand years old (origional legionnares from HH), is not entirely accurate. The night lords (who pride themselves in being somewhat untainted by the ruinous powers) are some of the afforementioned legionnares, but because of all the time spent in the warp, it is wagered that they have only lived for one hundred natural years since the HH, not ten thousand.

I would believe its the cult legions that have had such a diminished sense of time. All of the cult marines have worlds deep in the Eye of Terror. As do the non-cult marines such has Iron Warriors and Word Bearers.

But the Night Lords and Alpha Legion are distinctly more renegade I think. They don't truly serve Chaos but nor will they side with the Imperium. So of all the traitor legions they spend most of the time outside of the Warp. When Horus died most of the legions scattered into the Warp. Except the Night Lords and Alpha Legion.

Asherian Command wrote:Yeah. Thats true. Humans can only live for 120 years max.

Not in WH40K they don't... At least in Eisenhorn the priviliged classes are said to easily live for seven centuries or more thanks to so-called Rejuvat treatments.

From the BL books I've read (so, cannon-ish) here are the following 'Facts'.

1: Time in the Warp is different than in real space. In Dark Apostle it was mentioned that only 250 years has past for the chaos marines since the siege of Terra, even though they know 10,000 years has passed in real space.

2: Space marines are effectively immortal assuming all of their 21 stages/implants are achieved. Thus most chapters who have lost some of their organs aren't immortal though they live a long time.

3: Blood angels and I believe ultra smurfs have all of their organs, however Blood angels usually die from the black rage. If they didn't fall to the black rage they in theory could live forever like Dante.

I'd like to post references, but 2 and 3 are amalgamations of information I've picked up from the HH books, and other more standard 40 novels.

Worms

AgeOfEgos wrote:

"Brothers, I believe I've had too much prune juice as I just had a heretical accident in my power armor"



Codex Pictures seem to think they age.

Age, yes.

Die from it, No.

Logan Grimar is 700 years old. That's pretty olld.
Dante is 1000 or so.
The oldest i know is either Dante or that guy in the Salamander novel. If you count dreadnoughtts then Bjorn the fell-handed. If you count warp people then CSM and 13th company.

Isn't that really old Space Wolf Dreadnought essentially senile? They only wake him up when he's needed because he's not "with it" that much anymore?

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There we go.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bjorn_the_Fell-Handed

I'm sure that space marines are capable of living for what can appear to be an eternity. But lets face reality, most die fighting in the allfather's name. So the few we look to between Bjorn, Dante, and the Salamander, they all have been modified and thus can't be looked at whether by gene-seed corruption, dreadnought, or stasis. And CSM are all effected by the random time-flow of the warp & the alteration from the dark gods. The only way to know if Space Marines are immortal is to find out the fates of the loyal Primarchs....like that is going to happen though

I always got the impression that they fought until they died and if they didn't die they grew older but "those who live by the sword die by the sword" and that seems ot be the case. If they are not lost in battle or in tombed in a dreadnought for all time...

After all would it make for existing story telling to hear of the SM that died at 907 years old of old age? After all in the six star wars movies only one character dies of old age, and he was about 900 years old too. So it's up to the story telling, I'm sure that there are a few who have died of old age but to hear the story of their life and who they were and what they added to the chapters lore while young and when they became to infirm for battle they began helping with the young neophytes

We have no idea if Alpharius and/or Omegon are alive or dead.

Anyone claiming absolute knowledge of any of this is... wrong.

I also have no idea why we are talking about this is this thread!

As already mentioned, I think the confusion comes from the fact, as noted earlier, that Marines were believed to be Immortal as their creation, but now that they've been around a while, it looks like they're just extremely long lived - unless killed in battle.

The Primarchs, being closer to the Emperor's own genetic makeup, may in fact be Immortal...

Spetulhu wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Yeah. Thats true. Humans can only live for 120 years max.

Not in WH40K they don't... At least in Eisenhorn the priviliged classes are said to easily live for seven centuries or more thanks to so-called Rejuvat treatments.

Also in the deamonhunter codex its tell us that an inquisitor usually has to be at least over 100 before they can take on an apprentice.

Normal humans live pretty much like real-life humans, important humans are given pharmaceuticals or mechanical replacements to prolong their lives in some cases this can be 100s of years.

Space marines although able to live for very long amounts of time are more likely to die in battle before being 'old', although i could see long lived and skilled marines being used to train new foundings.

Alpharius wrote:
As already mentioned, I think the confusion comes from the fact, as noted earlier, that Marines were believed to be Immortal as their creation, but now that they've been around a while, it looks like they're just extremely long lived - unless killed in battle.

The Primarchs, being closer to the Emperor's own genetic makeup, may in fact be Immortal...

Im inclined to agree about the space marine point but I feel that the Primarchs would also suffer from aging, as they are not pure dna of the emperor.

Henners91 wrote:Isn't that really old Space Wolf Dreadnought essentially senile? They only wake him up when he's needed because he's not "with it" that much anymore?

Edit:

There we go.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bjorn_the_Fell-Handed

Not senile but all SW have to wrestle with the urge not to go wulfen. He's in stasis like the other dreads because you really don't want to have an insane wolf dreadnought with 10k years of experience.

Bjorn isn't crazy, yet.


he is an HQ choice so, obviously, he can command an army with some semblence of order(as much as Space Wolves are capable of)

They keep Bjorn asleep because the strain of being awake compromises his continued existence. The systems that maintain him are incredibly old so that don't want to strain them either. But in times of duress when they need one of the greatest Wolf Lords council they wake him from slumber.

They woke in him the first Space Wolf book.

LegacyOfBaal wrote:They keep Bjorn asleep because the strain of being awake compromises his continued existence. The systems that maintain him are incredibly old so that don't want to strain them either. But in times of duress when they need one of the greatest Wolf Lords council they wake him from slumber.

They woke in him the first Space Wolf book.

That was probably overkill but i suppose they couldn't take any chances.