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I support what your doing.

I am interested however, what colors did you pick to paint?

My chapter is green with White, and red trim to the shoulder pads and my command squad have red robes.

porkuslime wrote:Umm.. no way.

DA Iconography can represent AnY chapter you made up.. as long as you got wings and swords somewhere in there..

Winged Avengers..
Swords of the Angels

etc..

If you are running them as "Counts as Space Wolves" I can see people giving you the hairy eyeball, but it ain't ILLEGAL..

What an odd saying....hairy eyeball...

Yeah that dude was a douche. You should have asked if anyone else wanted to play! Dont feel down that was just a one off, I know I would be more than a bit annoyed if someone did that to me.

The colour of a SM army does not dictate what codex it should use (I wish it did, then we could get a new codex:GreyplasticSM as well ).

The codex you choose dictates what codex you use.

You can have RED ultramarines.
You can have BLUE Blood Angels.
You can have BONE coloured Templars.
Even Black space wolves.

As long as you aren't mixing and matching units from different codices, then all is good.

At least your marines are painted.

If it has a bolter and power armor (It doesnt even need to be SM type Power armor), it can be used as an Vanilla homebrew chapter, an ultra marine, a Blood Angel Tactical Marine, a Veteran with a bolter, a Wolf Guard with a bolter, a Grey Hunter, a DA Tactical, a DA veteran, or (although horribly impractical) even a Chaptermaster. As long as your equipment is right, there is nothing "illegal".

Scott-S6 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:I can understand people getting pissed about someone having a properly modelled/painted Dark Angels army, but they play using the Blood Angels Codex. IMO, THAT should be illegal...

Why?

The DA codex is designed to represent forces drawn from battle companies with special characters allowing representation of a force drawn mainly from the 1st or 2nd companies but it does not allow a force drawn mainly from the 8th, 9th or 10th.
The BA codex allows for representing a force drawn mainly from the 8th company and the SM codex allows for a force drawn mainly from the 10th.


The colour and/or shoulder pad symbols have zero impact on the game. A legal army is a legal army regardless of how it's painted.

No, I think both codecies allow pretty much any company to be represented fairly well... In any case, both forces have unique units that are not available to the others, and the special abilities given to Blood Angels armies are not representative of the way Dark Angels fight. The reason I think it should be illegal is because I get ticked off seeing people switch from one marine codex to another game to game using the same army, particularly when that army is very clearly made out to be a specific chapter. I'm not talking about half-assed Dark Angels or what have you here, where they are mostly painted the way they should be with a few minor liberties taken for convenience or personal preference. I'm talking about people who have modeled THE Dark Angels and THE Black Templars. Really well. Awesome paint jobs... chapter specific coversions, symbols, and everything. And then try to pawn them off as "Dead Angels" and "Blood Templars"

The only time I don't have an issue with something like this is when its your own chapter, or you are doing a very specific force that isn't really well represented anywhere (like a Heresy era army).

Next time, you could always take along a perfectly painted Dark Angel army...made entirely of Epice minatures. Hey, the rules state that you have to use Games Workshop minatures, mounted on the correct base that it came with. As far as I recall it says nothing anywhere about them having to be 28mm Heroic scale minatures. Therefore an Epic sized army should be perfectly legal. And able to hide behind the crease in a game mat. Oh the soul crushing that would commence as tiny, tiny men oblliterated his prized force...

Once they get past that crease in the mat and pass the difficult terrain test to make it up some stairs, of course.

Jon Garrett wrote:Hey, the rules state that you have to use Games Workshop minatures

Wow, do the rules actually state that? That's weird. Do you have a page number so I don't have to spend a lot of time looking for the rule?

I double checked and, no, indeed it does not. I must be thinking about some of the tournament/compeition rules. All it says are that models need to be mounted on the origional base.

hehehehehe......hahahahahahahaha........mwahahahabwahahahah!!!!!!


Dude, your opponent is a r-tard.
Remember, even the mighty Jervis Johnson had an army of grey space marines that he used as Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves and even Black Templars!
Boo Frickin' Hoo if he has a colour=scheme brown trouser moment, its probably because of your awesome dudish painting and your masterful armies that sweepeth the gaming table of the alien, the mutant and the heretic!
Never be told that your army is illegal or impotent. As long as it is painted, you have one-up on my forces, who still wait in boxes on the GW shelf, ever-ready for their master's call...
But enough! Too serious matters!

I declare a pogrom against the fail kind! When prats like these and others across the wargame spectrum try to bulls**t you with rules crapola, use YOUR knowledge and power to overthrow them. LET them walk from the field. JEER at them as they do so. If you bring them to the table to game, use YOUR superior tactics to grind your foe into the carpet (yes, that means pushing them through the table or gaming mat - it's very difficult, but can be achieved). Slaughter his forces, capture his objectives, say a witty one-liner, pack up your stuff and leave, like the wargaming angel of death.
Your foe will be so afraid he will never game against you, or maybe even game ever again! Victory will be ours, and the fail kind shall be obliterated-eth in the fires-eth of battle-eth!!!
WHO'S WITH ME? WHO WANTS TO SHARE IN THE GLORIOUS POGROM'S GLORIOUS GLORYNESS?!!

kirsanth wrote:Anyone that uses Chaos Black that does not play Chaos should be banned.

Same for Dark Angels Green, and Space Wolf Gr. . . oh man.

Dang it. I use space wolve's gray for my Tau's faces and chaos black for their hooves/emblems and catchacan green with my kroot. Well I guess that means I have to be burned at the stake.

He's an feth-head. don't play him, encourage others not to do the same. That will keep the wargaming gene pool clear. There's some nice guys in Northern Ireland clubs (ex-pat from RoI down the road!) whom I've met. He must seriously be the exception.

I think that is the most childish thing I have ever heard. Walking out because he says your army is "illegal", it comes down to the fact that he was afraid to battle what you brought. Atleast that is the way I would see it.

I've seen worse.

A player refused to pay attention to LoS, then made accusations of rules lawyering and declared he won when he was called on it.

There's rule lawyering and then there's completely disregarding the basic core mechanic.

Think of it this way.

Your such a good player you have managed to beat a guy before the game. Epic win for you.

Seriously, the guy is acting like a TFG. I am fine with counts as, but I just ask for the army to be WYSIWYG.

Scott-S6 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:I can understand people getting pissed about someone having a properly modelled/painted Dark Angels army, but they play using the Blood Angels Codex. IMO, THAT should be illegal...

Why?

Because if I showed up to a store and met strangers, they sure as hell wouldn't let me play my Imperial Guard as Orks, or maybe my Dark Eldar as Tyranids?

I may be in the minority, but if a marine player clearly has marines belonging to one army, I will not play them if they switch armies just for the flavor of the month. You bought and got into space wolves, don't use another marine codex against me, thank you.

It just comes down to it not being fair that marines feels like they have 5 different armies to choose from, while my Orks have, um one.

Pick a codex and stick to it. If you want to test another army out, or do a one off game, I am fine with that, that isn't what I am talking about. I am talking about "that guy" who has marine models, but has played them as Ultramarines, then Space Wolves, and then Blood Angels. No thanks.

Yes, if a guy comes in with Ultramarine models and says 'hey, I was thinking about starting up Blood Angels, but I haven't had the time or money to build up a force, mind if I use them as Blood Angels?' then I'd probably play him. However if the same guy 3 months ago had said that they were Space WOlves, and before that that they were Ultramarines, then I'd be less willing to accept him.

Warboss ZanZag wrote:Only one word is coming to mind about him.... TFG!!!!

Exactly. What the hell. There is a DE player around here that uses some DE he got off ebay that are painted one of the following colors for each unit as a whole: red, white, purple, multi-colored bikes, ect ect. Since when was a paint job illegal? I almost want to know how and why this fool said what he said.

Ugh, I know those people.

BuFFo wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:I can understand people getting pissed about someone having a properly modelled/painted Dark Angels army, but they play using the Blood Angels Codex. IMO, THAT should be illegal...

Why?

Because if I showed up to a store and met strangers, they sure as hell wouldn't let me play my Imperial Guard as Orks, or maybe my Dark Eldar as Tyranids?

I may be in the minority, but if a marine player clearly has marines belonging to one army, I will not play them if they switch armies just for the flavor of the month. You bought and got into space wolves, don't use another marine codex against me, thank you.

It just comes down to it not being fair that marines feels like they have 5 different armies to choose from, while my Orks have, um one.

Pick a codex and stick to it. If you want to test another army out, or do a one off game, I am fine with that, that isn't what I am talking about. I am talking about "that guy" who has marine models, but has played them as Ultramarines, then Space Wolves, and then Blood Angels. No thanks.

GW has flat out said that your marines can use whatever marine rules they want. Don't like it? Too bad.

What a freak its not like you were claiming your rhino as a landraider. I dont see an issue the prob was all his i wouldnt worry about him!

BuFFo wrote:I may be in the minority, but if a marine player clearly has marines belonging to one army, I will not play them if they switch armies just for the flavor of the month. You bought and got into space wolves, don't use another marine codex against me, thank you

Ugh.

Anyway, OP, the guy going on a crying jag about your paint scheme sounds like a grade-A fool. People with better things to worry about than what color you paint your space manz won't care. Thankfully this type of childish player you described is a very small minority.

What a nob. Did he play Orkz by any chance?

That guy would have a seizure if he ever saw my army.

It's painted three different colors. (What? I bought a bunch from an old friend, then started a paint scheme, decided I didn't like it, and switched to something new. And I'm too lazy to strip/repaint just yet.)

He'd REALLY have a seizure if he saw my Rhino with Tau symbols on it... (For the Emperor! For the Greater Good! Hehehe...)

Jon Garrett wrote:Hey, the rules state that you have to use Games Workshop minatures

Nope. No such specificity.

They state that GWs models are normally sold with bases that they MUST be glued to.
There is no actual permission for you to use any other company's models in the game.
(Remember: the rules tell you what you CAN do, not what you can't do. If it doesn't specify you CAN, then you CANNOT).

This is why I'm switching to Tomorrow's War. Those rules don't care whose models I use or what colour scheme I use and there aren't any tournaments for it, so db like the OPs tool-opponent can't have hissy-fits over it. It's also not point based. War isn't fair, after all).

chaos0xomega wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:I can understand people getting pissed about someone having a properly modelled/painted Dark Angels army, but they play using the Blood Angels Codex. IMO, THAT should be illegal...

Why?

The DA codex is designed to represent forces drawn from battle companies with special characters allowing representation of a force drawn mainly from the 1st or 2nd companies but it does not allow a force drawn mainly from the 8th, 9th or 10th.
The BA codex allows for representing a force drawn mainly from the 8th company and the SM codex allows for a force drawn mainly from the 10th.


The colour and/or shoulder pad symbols have zero impact on the game. A legal army is a legal army regardless of how it's painted.

No, I think both codecies allow pretty much any company to be represented fairly well... In any case, both forces have unique units that are not available to the others, and the special abilities given to Blood Angels armies are not representative of the way Dark Angels fight. The reason I think it should be illegal is because I get ticked off seeing people switch from one marine codex to another game to game using the same army, particularly when that army is very clearly made out to be a specific chapter. I'm not talking about half-assed Dark Angels or what have you here, where they are mostly painted the way they should be with a few minor liberties taken for convenience or personal preference. I'm talking about people who have modeled THE Dark Angels and THE Black Templars. Really well. Awesome paint jobs... chapter specific coversions, symbols, and everything. And then try to pawn them off as "Dead Angels" and "Blood Templars"

The only time I don't have an issue with something like this is when its your own chapter, or you are doing a very specific force that isn't really well represented anywhere (like a Heresy era army).

Would you like to explain how the colour they're painted or the symbol on their shoulder has any impact at all on the game?

How does the SM codex allow you to represent a 1st or 8th company force? It doesn't, as you must always have either tacticals or scouts.
Also, the BA's ability to take assault squads as troops is nothing to do with the way they fight - they have no more assault squads than any other codex chapter.

Both DA and BA are pretty much codex chapters - BA/DA/SM codexes can be used fairly interchangeably to represent types of detachment from most codex chapters and it's perfectly fluffy. (obviously, there are some things that would not be fluffy but that's quite possible just sticking to C:SM - salamanders are extremely unlikely to have a bike army, for example)

I asked you why you have a problem with it and your response was pretty much "because I don't like it". If people are swapping codexes with the same army then presumably they are not WYSIWYG and there's lots of proxying? If your gaming group is okay with proxying then what's the problem with having them the wrong colour?

So what if someone manned-up painted their marines 'rainbow' (Say blue base, right arm with red blood droplet, dark green chestplate, can't think of anything good to throw in for SW, but you guy have the idea right?) Not to the point that they look so cool you'd park his car for him, but hey, decent. And said "I like to play different Marine codexs (damn you GW how does one spell their plural?) it's really fortunate that I have bought each of the codex and have them with me." Would you really have a problem? Is what people saying "People who play space marines should have all their minis rank and filed into their armies and have to buy 5x as many FoC worth of guys?"

Because I think personally, the real problem is when people are convinced to say "I'm a SW player." instead of "I play the humans." which I understand, but I don't think it's fair to expect people to buy another $330 worth of models to play a different shade of the games poster-boys, because that's what they are their for - to encourage players to change and adapt their game... Otherwise eveyone would come in on a Xenos learning curve and there'd be no more easy curbstomping ^_^

Why does there seem to be more to this than is being said? Did you tell your opponent your was using Standard Marines? Did he see your list? How close was your WYSIWYG?

I just keep thinking about Bell of Lost Soul and Goatboy's chaos army that counts as space wolves...