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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:23:01
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Huge Hierodule
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Grakmar wrote:Ummm... are you kidding?
Chaos is clearly the bad guys. They have spikes and chains all over their armor. Everyone know that spikes=evil.
If that's not enough to convince you, perhaps we should sit down and...
*axe to your head*
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Some Random Dude: "So...my friend says there's a heretical rebellion over there on that planet."
Inquisitor: "What proof do you have?"
*Shows paper with crudely drawn 'feth the Emperor. Love, Planet 10223'*
And with that, tens of billions of innocent people will be executed, usually burned and/or mutilated. Because they may or may not be heretics. Killing them is the only safe solution.
The Imperium sure sounds like a friendly group of individuals hmmm?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 22:36:10
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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Kilkrazy wrote:The subtle joke at the core of 40K is that Chaos and the IoM are two sides of the same coin.
There is little or nothing to separate them in terms of their brutality, aggression and general crappiness to their own people and everyone else who comes into contact with them.
Subtle!? I don't know if I'd call it subtle.
It's THE joke at the core of 40K...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 23:08:33
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Commoragh-bound Peer
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So no-one here sees the difference between fighting to survive (IoM) and killing for the hell of it (Chaos)? Between sacrificing lives to save even more lives, and sacrificing souls to feed a demon? Really? No moral difference there?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 23:11:21
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Daring Dark Eldar Raider Rider
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The ends do not justify the means. That's the big moral of the 40k universe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 23:15:53
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Meh, morals are human constructs. By extension, who is a "good guy" and who is a "bad guy" is dependent entirely upon the fabrication of the observer.
Both the imperium and chaos forces are working in their self-interest for the benefit of themselves and their constituancy. The only wiggle room here is their methodology, but I hardly see anyone coming out for the better when chaos rips apart human beings to add skulls to a giant pile on one hand, and the imperium unleashing an aerosolized super-virus killing all life on a planet on the other.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 23:22:25
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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To have your skin sewn into a fashionable hat.
The Imperium may do brutal things to its people sometimes, but it's motivations are always to save the population as a whole.
Chaos is motivated purely For the Evulz.
Chaos having occasionally noble purposes was retconned out of 40k nearly 20 years ago. It's just pure, undiluted evil now.
To serve the population? The high lords are only interested in keeping themselves in power and defending humanity for the sake of it. They care very little about people.
Chaos having noble sides wasn't removed 20 years ago. There were mentions of it in the ast CSM codex and there are still hints towards it.
Chaos is motivated by getting power, the imperium is motivated by keeping power. Not much of a difference.
There are mentions of disiplined chaos (bloodpact are very organised) . Many chaos society do evil things to their enemies but support there own people (there was a short story about some cultists fighting SM and they weren't very different to IG in the way they thought. They cared a lot when the SM killed their family.). this rely isn't much different to what the imperium does.
Yes there are scream psyco cultists but most are just normal with different views. If they spent their lives killing each other how do they ever leave they eye of terror or get anything done. The imperium has it's own share of crazies. I recommend looking at the Ordo Hereticus.
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Ailaros brings up a good point I forgot to mention. Chaos views itself as right as the imperium does. You will agree with those whose morals you are closest too but that doesn't make them right. Chaos sees killing imperials as the right thing, and the imperium believes it is their job to kill everyone else. Neither are right and neither are wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 23:24:46
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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FourCartridge wrote:The ends do not justify the means. That's the big moral of the 40k universe.
The ends DO justify the means. That is the theme of 40K.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/15 23:35:17
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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Like someone said before. Being a civilian in the world of Warhammer 40k isn't always bad. You got to remember that the imperiuim is gigantic. You could easily live your entire life out on a planet and never worry about a invasion or anything else another planet may suffer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 00:52:27
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Legendary Dogfighter
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
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Whereas in the Eye of Terror, you will definitely fear for your entire life (which will probably be very short anyway) of getting a chainaxe in the face and seeing your soul being stolen by a Greater Daemon just because he wants a new pet...
Come on guys, the IoM is definitely grimdark and harsh, but Chaos is definitely a lot worse. Except if you are a psychopath or a pervert.
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"How many more worlds do we sacrifice? How many more millions or billions do we betray before we turn and fight?" - attributed to Captain Leoten Semper of Battlefleet Gothic - Gothic War, the evacuation of Belatis.
If commanding a Titan is a measure of true power, then commanding a warship is like having one foot on the Golden Throne - Navy saying. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 00:54:18
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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Idk, Nurgle seems one hell of alot more caring then anything else. Living on a daemon world ruled by him wouldn't really be all that bad assuming you're a devoted follower. Hell, on one of his worlds there's a giant conga line round the thing constantly singing to him.
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Kilkrazy wrote:There's nothing like a good splutter of rage first thing in the morning to get you all revved up for the day.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 01:09:20
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Laodamia wrote:
Come on guys, the IoM is definitely grimdark and harsh, but Chaos is definitely a lot worse. Except if you are a psychopath or a pervert.
EXACTLY!
Death to the false Emperor and the pathetic subhumans still blind enough to serve him!  For Tzeentch is the one true master of us all.
okay, excuse me. I need my meds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 10:23:31
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Chaos are willing to make alliances with aliens A LOT more often than the imperium and have a much more open mind whilst the imperium are like
"DIFFERENT! MUST KILL!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 11:15:53
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Laodamia wrote:
Come on guys, the IoM is definitely grimdark and harsh, but Chaos is definitely a lot worse. Except if you are a psychopath or a pervert.
But even a slave cam learn to love the lash.
If you were born in the Eye of Terror would you know any different?
It's like has been said, it all depends on what side of the fence you are standing on. At least Chaos doesn't hide the fact that they are merciless suppressors that will crush disobedience under a ceramite clad spikey boot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 11:51:55
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Mysterious Techpriest
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Phototoxin wrote:I think the use of Catholic is unfair and offensive. If I said 'Tau are Muslim Space Communists' there'd be hell to pay...
Sure there's ecclesiastical elements but the RCC generally is against wholescale slaughter.
The "Catholic" part comes in because of the aesthetics and manner of the ecclesiarchy. The "nazi" part comes into play with... everything else. Ironically, it's that side that gets the most favorable light shown on it... Besides, if there actually were daemons and dark gods attempting to destroy humanity, wouldn't the Catholic church promote extreme measures to fight them, things that would be insane and unthinkable in this day and age? A good number of them were all too eager to try much the same thing in the middle ages, when the fevered imaginations of some priests ran wild and they invented a grand daemonic conspiracy to pretend to fight.
4M2A wrote:Chaos stands out as the clear "bad Guy" until you look in depth. There are many very evil imperials and a lot of chaos worshipers who aren't that bad (each chaos god has good sides and is only bad when you loose control). A lot of the worlds in the eye of terror have stable human populations who could arguable be considered better of as there is much a higher chance of freedom.
Both rely on humanities worst qualities. Chaos preys on peoples desires and the imperium uses humanities fear of the unknown to rule.
While one is lead by hungry gods, the imperium is run by greedy humans.
The funny side is that the imperium fights chaos to "save humanity" but the sacrifices they make are as bad as what chaos does. While chaos is dangerous it also gives freedom, something the imperium will never give you.
Chaos is slavery and death. Its lies are seductive, promising the world. Instead it leads to chains on an alter and an agonizing death in sacrifice to some minor daemon. It gives power to only the smallest percent of its followers, those who advance the agenda of this or that petty daemon, in the name of service to mad gods who couldn't care less about the mortal realms, and even the greatest follower of chaos is a slave to a more powerful being, even if they have slaves of their own to torment.
The Imperium only enforces "don't be an idiot: daemons are bad (and want to eat you), xenos are bad (and want to eat you), psykers can explode if they don't know what they're doing (which can lead to daemons, which you will remember are bad and want to eat you), the Emperor is totally cool and stuff, just use your damn head" as an overarching policy. With the exception of the rare mad Inquisitor like Kryptman, the Imperium only slaughters civilians when they're a) infected with genestealers, b) being eaten by tyranids, or c) given over to the worship of the ruinous powers, summoning daemons and slaughtering each other to paint blasphemous runes on things.
The Imperium numbers in the quadrillions. The golden sacrifices how many a day? 10,000 at the most? That's less than 0.000000001% (one billionth of a percent) of the population. Fewer than one in a hundred billion is fed to the golden throne, taken from the weakest, most unstable psykers (who are a threat to themselves and others). More people choke to death on soup ever day than are sacrificed to the golden throne.
If farmers do not work, than hundreds of trillions starve on hive worlds. If one in a thousand civilians didn't join the Imperial Guard, xenos would overrun worlds and and mutant cultists would tear holes into the immaterium, setting free hordes of daemons. If factory workers didn't work than the farmers would have no farm equipment, Guardsmen would have no weapons to fight those that would devour and/or enslave humanity, there would be no ships to carry food to the hive worlds or Guardsmen to the front, etc. Any freedom from labor that Chaos might bring would be summarily followed by hive worlds devouring themselves for lack of food, until either they've cut down their populations to a level that can be sustained by eating mold and sewage, or all the bloodshed has summoned a horde of khornate daemons to devour them. Anarchy doesn't work in populations that number in the thousands, how is it supposed to work in the hundreds of billions?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 12:05:15
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Sir Pseudonymous wrote:The Imperium is slavery and death. Its lies are seductive, promising Salvation. Instead it leads to chains on an alter and an agonizing death in sacrifice to The Emperor. It gives power to only the smallest percent of its followers, those who advance the agenda of this or that Lord of Terra, in the name of service to The Emperor who couldn't care less about the mortal realms, and even the greatest follower of The Emperor is a slave to a more powerful being.
See how that works both ways? And as far the Eye of Terror/ Maelstrom not containing stable populations and there being no room for an ordered society ruled by chaos, I cite two sources, the book 'Demon World' by Ben Counter, and the book 'Traitor General' by Dan Abnett. both give an in depth look into a chaos held planet and show that for the most part Chaos planets can be much the same as Imperial ones.
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actiondan wrote:According to popular belief I cannot use drop pods because only the Imperium can organize itself enough to put 10 men in a container and fire it at a planet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 12:23:37
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Khorne Rhino Driver with Destroyer
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Mr Meatballs wrote:Platuan4th wrote:wookiedestroyer wrote:Brother Coa wrote:And they think that eternal suffering, madness, betrayal, raping, slaughtering, destroying or simply killing is a characteristic of a good guy?
What drug do they use? I must try some 
Ive never read about chaos raping anyone and besides when have space marines (even chaos) ever been able to take off power armour? Please correct me if im wrong but I dont think they can take it off.
Power armor can be removed and no fluff has ever implied differently. CHAOS Armor, however, can not.
Who said anything about taking it off before hand?
exactly.
You think the Emperor's Children don't get involved with a little rapery? Surely Slaanesh has mutated their power armour to afford them some carnal pleasure...just a thought.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 12:27:35
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Rochronos wrote:Mr Meatballs wrote:Platuan4th wrote:wookiedestroyer wrote:Brother Coa wrote:And they think that eternal suffering, madness, betrayal, raping, slaughtering, destroying or simply killing is a characteristic of a good guy?
What drug do they use? I must try some 
Ive never read about chaos raping anyone and besides when have space marines (even chaos) ever been able to take off power armour? Please correct me if im wrong but I dont think they can take it off.
Power armor can be removed and no fluff has ever implied differently. CHAOS Armor, however, can not.
Who said anything about taking it off before hand?
exactly.
You think the Emperor's Children don't get involved with a little rapery? Surely Slaanesh has mutated their power armour to afford them some carnal pleasure...just a thought.
IIRC there's a part in the Inquisition War series by Ian Watson that talks about a slaaneshi marine with 3 'creatures' growing from his genital area that are each independently raping a female in the planetary govenors harem. So yeah, Emperors Children get down.
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actiondan wrote:According to popular belief I cannot use drop pods because only the Imperium can organize itself enough to put 10 men in a container and fire it at a planet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 12:30:16
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Brother Heinrich wrote:Rochronos wrote:Mr Meatballs wrote:Platuan4th wrote:wookiedestroyer wrote:Brother Coa wrote:And they think that eternal suffering, madness, betrayal, raping, slaughtering, destroying or simply killing is a characteristic of a good guy?
What drug do they use? I must try some 
Ive never read about chaos raping anyone and besides when have space marines (even chaos) ever been able to take off power armour? Please correct me if im wrong but I dont think they can take it off.
Power armor can be removed and no fluff has ever implied differently. CHAOS Armor, however, can not.
Who said anything about taking it off before hand?
exactly.
You think the Emperor's Children don't get involved with a little rapery? Surely Slaanesh has mutated their power armour to afford them some carnal pleasure...just a thought.
IIRC there's a part in the Inquisition War series by Ian Watson that talks about a slaaneshi marine with 3 'creatures' growing from his genital area that are each independently raping a female in the planetary govenors harem. So yeah, Emperors Children get down.
How do I get involved in this?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 12:35:26
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Mr Meatballs wrote:How do I get involved in this?
by reading the book.
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actiondan wrote:According to popular belief I cannot use drop pods because only the Imperium can organize itself enough to put 10 men in a container and fire it at a planet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 12:37:07
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Sneaky Lictor
Eye of Terror... I think
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Lets simplify the issue. Either you serve a corpse of unimaginable interdimensional power who needs to feed on hundreds of souls and an entire emperium of false hope and lies just to scratch out a living against the galaxies insermountable threats OR you can serve 4 primevial interdimensional beings made up of our own most basic instincts and drives made manifest that want nothing more than to use you for entertainment then use your soul after you die.
Honestly I think on the morality scale one is no worse than the other, the imperium is just wrapped up in a pretty bow. On a scale of which would be better for the individual to serve? The ruinous powers hands down give you the most freedom of desitiny and most likely chance of reward/punishment for your efforts/failures. I would be a servant of chaos without question.
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Brother Heinrich wrote:Rochronos wrote:Mr Meatballs wrote:Platuan4th wrote:wookiedestroyer wrote:Brother Coa wrote:And they think that eternal suffering, madness, betrayal, raping, slaughtering, destroying or simply killing is a characteristic of a good guy?
What drug do they use? I must try some 
Ive never read about chaos raping anyone and besides when have space marines (even chaos) ever been able to take off power armour? Please correct me if im wrong but I dont think they can take it off.
Power armor can be removed and no fluff has ever implied differently. CHAOS Armor, however, can not.
Who said anything about taking it off before hand?
exactly.
You think the Emperor's Children don't get involved with a little rapery? Surely Slaanesh has mutated their power armour to afford them some carnal pleasure...just a thought.
IIRC there's a part in the Inquisition War series by Ian Watson that talks about a slaaneshi marine with 3 'creatures' growing from his genital area that are each independently raping a female in the planetary govenors harem. So yeah, Emperors Children get down.
^ This is why I play EC btw. Hell powered super humans who live for drugs, war, rock, AND sex!? sign me up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 12:43:22
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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wondering when you'd find this thread Doug lol
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actiondan wrote:According to popular belief I cannot use drop pods because only the Imperium can organize itself enough to put 10 men in a container and fire it at a planet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 12:49:57
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Long-Range Ultramarine Land Speeder Pilot
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I actually cannot find "good guys" on 40000 they all seem bad to me, its an age of unending war there cant be good guys if your race wants to survive. Tho you cant say at all Chaos is good :S you gotta be twisted
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"Each path must be chosen with care,
Lest disaster swallow us whole."
Varo Tigurius
Ultramarines Chief Librarian
Wh40k: Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Inquisition, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Tyranids, Orks, Chaos Space Marines, Daemons of Chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 12:58:35
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Theofilos wrote:I actually cannot find "good guys" on 40000 they all seem bad to me, its an age of unending war there cant be good guys if your race wants to survive.
I concur, up until recently I would've said, "Tau are the only good guys, I mean c'mon, 'Greater Good' anyone?" but now after reading through most of the 5th Ultramarines Novel, I found myself Irrationally hating the Tau as much as the Tyranid, Orks, or any other enemy of man, I think it just comes down to pure survival, when you hold something dear and someone/something wants to change that or take it away, you will percieve them as evil and fight them tooth and nail to preserve your way of life, just as they will theres. In Science Fiction I have yet to see an Alien race just lie down and let mankind conquer it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 13:06:35
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Long-Range Ultramarine Land Speeder Pilot
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I merely agree mate tho sometimes making war for "the greater good" is just the same gak in a different box  I havent read the 5th Ultramarines novel tho so i just accept when you say about their pure survival insticts
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"Each path must be chosen with care,
Lest disaster swallow us whole."
Varo Tigurius
Ultramarines Chief Librarian
Wh40k: Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Inquisition, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Tyranids, Orks, Chaos Space Marines, Daemons of Chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 13:10:18
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Trust me brother after that book you'll be of the opinion; "the only good Tau is a dead tau."
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actiondan wrote:According to popular belief I cannot use drop pods because only the Imperium can organize itself enough to put 10 men in a container and fire it at a planet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 13:37:57
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Sneaky Lictor
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I believe the only race that can be precieved as "good" in the current human moral sense is the craftworld eldar. Craftworlds are very peaceful utopias compared to the rest of the 40k universe, are they willing to sacrifice billions of over races to save there own? Sure but do people feel bad when we kill thousands of insects or cattle, same connection in the eldars mind.
But im getting off topic from the OP's. Chaos is not the good guys, in the 41st millenium there are no "good" guys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 13:50:13
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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there is only war. if you want good guys and bad guys go watch transformers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 14:33:06
Subject: Chaos... The good guys?
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Kovnik
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I hold the view that Good and Evil are abstract concepts that are defined by the beliefs of the majority or the ones whose opinion holds sway.
I also hold the view that the side with the most stylish armour is by default the bad guys, so BLOOD FOR BLOOD GOD!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 14:53:14
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Mysterious Techpriest
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The difference between the Imperium and Chaos is like that between a modern, first-world government and a street-gang (only with daemons instead of drugs and guns; also, with drugs and guns). The first is a corrupt but benevolent entity which as a whole is primarily concerned with caring for the people without whom it wouldn't exist, even if the individuals in power are only there out of their own greed, the only way they can remain in power (and amass more of it) is by successfully leading those they are charged with leading. A Planetary governor who starves his people and works them too hard will have reduced productivity and riots on his hands, and if he is too brutal in dealing with them the Inquisition declares him a traitor, burns him alive in front of the populace, and replaces him with someone who's not slowed, especially if his brutality radically reduced the working population, which would cause problems elsewhere. The only toil that is required of Imperial citizens is that which is required to sustain their fellow man. The only restrictions placed on them are cautions against traffic with daemons and xenos, both of which are extreme hazards to humanity. The only sacrifices they forcefully take are from the most dangerous and unstable members of society, who tend to explode and let loose a torrent of daemons if left alone, and the only others they ask for are in service to the protection of humanity. The latter is a corrupt and malevolent entity which as a whole is primarily concerned with eating you alive, because you look funny when you're writhing in agony and screaming, and the individuals in power slaughtered and manipulated their way there, in the service to daemons, who want nothing in life more than to tear everyone apart and devour their souls. A cult leader who brutally slaughters everyone he can get his hands on will be rewarded, up until the point where he's possessed by a daemon and has his soul devoured in return for his years of devotion. The toil they demand is done in chains, with starvation and beatings as perks, with being skinned alive and raped to death on an altar both the punishment for failure and the reward for success. The restrictions placed upon them are whatever the warp-maddened slavedriver thinks is funny, and the sacrifices demanded ultimately claim all but the most powerful, whether it be on an altar, at the claws of a daemon, or hurling themselves into the guns of their enemies/each other. TL;DR: Chaos is bad because daemons. Imperium is "good" because no daemons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/02/16 15:17:28
Subject: Re:Chaos... The good guys?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ok, I think some people are getting confused. Please observe the following model:
See the wings? The gold armor? The halo? The blond hair?
This is clearly a good guy.
Compared to:
See the black armor? The big scary fist and mace? The colorless skin? A lack of hair? The blood dripping from his mace?
This is clearly a bad guy.
The first guy is a loyalist, the second guy is a traitor.
Chaos is evil.
QED
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