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EmilCrane wrote:

Doctor Optimal wrote:

EDIT: And Bree hardly counts, honestly. It was just "Archers, fire!" followed by "Archers, ON fire!" until whats-his-name pulled out his Mary Sue arrow and one-shotted a fething dragon.

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Wasn't Bree, it was Long Lake, anyway, Bard obviously had heroic killing blow.

Dragon should have had Eternal Warrior...
Damn you Matt Ward for writing the Long Lake codex and damn that last edition dragon codex (or rulebook can't remember)

ChrisWWII wrote:He simply has a reputation for writing completely overpowered codexes, and fluff. While I can see a case for arguing that Space Marines are SUPPOSED to have OTT fluf (being the 40k version of heroic knights), he simply takes it too far.

Interestingly enough, SM codex itself is hardly hugely overpowered. It is certainly true that UM-worshipping fluff went bit too far at times. I think the best part was how "Imperial Fists [and bunch of other Chapters]...can never be Ultramarines". Right, because Emperor knows that everyone aspires to be a Smurf.

You're right. Bree was across the Brandwine from the Shire.

purplefood wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

Doctor Optimal wrote:

EDIT: And Bree hardly counts, honestly. It was just "Archers, fire!" followed by "Archers, ON fire!" until whats-his-name pulled out his Mary Sue arrow and one-shotted a fething dragon.

.

Wasn't Bree, it was Long Lake, anyway, Bard obviously had heroic killing blow.

Dragon should have had Eternal Warrior...
Damn you Matt Ward for writing the Long Lake codex and damn that last edition dragon codex (or rulebook can't remember)

but obviously all humans want to be from long lake, their the spiritual lieges of all other humans

EmilCrane wrote:

purplefood wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

Doctor Optimal wrote:

EDIT: And Bree hardly counts, honestly. It was just "Archers, fire!" followed by "Archers, ON fire!" until whats-his-name pulled out his Mary Sue arrow and one-shotted a fething dragon.

.

Wasn't Bree, it was Long Lake, anyway, Bard obviously had heroic killing blow.

Dragon should have had Eternal Warrior...
Damn you Matt Ward for writing the Long Lake codex and damn that last edition dragon codex (or rulebook can't remember)

but obviously all humans want to be from long lake, their the spiritual lieges of all other humans

They did write that book that all the other humans 'have' to follow otherwise they aren't as good... though the name escapes me at the moment

Ulver wrote:Maybe once he's written all the army books/codices, everything will balance

Didn't he intentionally write the Orc codex in WHFB as horribly underpowered?

purplefood wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

purplefood wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

Doctor Optimal wrote:

EDIT: And Bree hardly counts, honestly. It was just "Archers, fire!" followed by "Archers, ON fire!" until whats-his-name pulled out his Mary Sue arrow and one-shotted a fething dragon.

.

Wasn't Bree, it was Long Lake, anyway, Bard obviously had heroic killing blow.

Dragon should have had Eternal Warrior...
Damn you Matt Ward for writing the Long Lake codex and damn that last edition dragon codex (or rulebook can't remember)

but obviously all humans want to be from long lake, their the spiritual lieges of all other humans

They did write that book that all the other humans 'have' to follow otherwise they aren't as good... though the name escapes me at the moment

Bible?

The Codex Astartes.

I've just come to a startling conclusion... Matt Ward... is the Micheal Bay of wargames! It all makes sense now!

Fafnir wrote:I've just come to a startling conclusion... Matt Ward... is the Micheal Bay of wargames! It all makes sense now!

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I don't think that's fair. Michael Bay movies are at least fun to watch. I've yet to see Mat Ward write his equivalent of "The Rock".

I like Codex: Space Marines just fine. It's not overpowered, and aside from some suspect fluff it's pretty solid. Vulkan's abilities are probably a little too good for their cost, but it's a codex without too many problems. The Blood Angels codex is powerful but I wouldn't say it's overpowered or anything. It just steals the thunder from a lot of other armies, and has some really abysmal fluff. My biggest beef with it is how he turned Blood Angels from "slightly divergent Space Marines" to wacky fast Marines with goofiness and jackassery to spare. The Grey Knight codex that's leaked out has a lot of things I like, but a lot of things I don't. It's just a playtest/unfinished codex from what I can tell anyway, so it's best not to get bent out of shape over it until it hits store shelves.

Matt Ward can't be blamed for his terrible writing. He isn't the person paying him to write these cell phone fan fics.

I have to wonder what his face was like when GW asked him to write the 8th edition rule book for fantasy.

"You want ME to write it? You do realize I broke the entire game with a single army book right?"

I actually LOVE the current vanilla marine dex. People who have never even read the Calgar story QQ over it all the time. That avatar put up one amazing fight and it almost killed calgar, who not only got the jump on the thing but it had already been fighting the 1st companies terminators and dev squads had been firing on it.

However this Grey knight guy makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit. What does he do just hang out next to the emperor in the warp. (who is supposedly always under attack by deamons.) so in 10000 years these daemons don't fear the emperor and are still trying to kill him but they are scared of this grey knight?

Matt Ward should write Codex: Tyranids.
Winged Carnifexes with increased stats for 100pts maybe?

Th3ee Legged Dog wrote:

purplefood wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

purplefood wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

Doctor Optimal wrote:

EDIT: And Bree hardly counts, honestly. It was just "Archers, fire!" followed by "Archers, ON fire!" until whats-his-name pulled out his Mary Sue arrow and one-shotted a fething dragon.

.

Wasn't Bree, it was Long Lake, anyway, Bard obviously had heroic killing blow.

Dragon should have had Eternal Warrior...
Damn you Matt Ward for writing the Long Lake codex and damn that last edition dragon codex (or rulebook can't remember)

but obviously all humans want to be from long lake, their the spiritual lieges of all other humans

They did write that book that all the other humans 'have' to follow otherwise they aren't as good... though the name escapes me at the moment

Bible?

I hate monster quotes

How bad is it in the the supposedly leaked codex?
The fluff I mean, because his stuff is pretty bad as far as I can tell

I remember reading that statement he made in White Dwarf about Ultramarines and how all other space marines look to Calgar as their spiritual liege

I could not stop laughing at that

From the other thread.

Vaktathi wrote:Well, for instance, Draigo has Killed Daemon Prince M'kar twice, carved his name into Mortarion's (the Death Guard Daemon Primarch) heart as his first act as Lord Grand Master for the death of the previous Grand Master, held a pass for two days for an IG regiment to escape and landed every single blow and bolter shot for two days, got sucked into the warp and killed a bloodthirster and takes its axe to reforge into a new sword, burns Nurgle's garden and destroys Tzeentch's city single handedly and buries a lord of Change in it, and now Daemons are too afraid to face him in battle. Now he spends is time fighting through the realm of chaos, sometimes being able to return and getting sucked back in again.

n0t_u wrote:From the other thread.

Vaktathi wrote:Well, for instance, Draigo has Killed Daemon Prince M'kar twice, carved his name into Mortarion's (the Death Guard Daemon Primarch) heart as his first act as Lord Grand Master for the death of the previous Grand Master, held a pass for two days for an IG regiment to escape and landed every single blow and bolter shot for two days, got sucked into the warp and killed a bloodthirster and takes its axe to reforge into a new sword, burns Nurgle's garden and destroys Tzeentch's city single handedly and buries a lord of Change in it, and now Daemons are too afraid to face him in battle. Now he spends is time fighting through the realm of chaos, sometimes being able to return and getting sucked back in again.

Wow. I was only able to read half of his fluff entry before I had to stop... but after reading that I'm glad I did. That's just stupid.

n0t_u wrote:From the other thread.

Vaktathi wrote:Well, for instance, Draigo has Killed Daemon Prince M'kar twice, carved his name into Mortarion's (the Death Guard Daemon Primarch) heart as his first act as Lord Grand Master for the death of the previous Grand Master, held a pass for two days for an IG regiment to escape and landed every single blow and bolter shot for two days, got sucked into the warp and killed a bloodthirster and takes its axe to reforge into a new sword, burns Nurgle's garden and destroys Tzeentch's city single handedly and buries a lord of Change in it, and now Daemons are too afraid to face him in battle. Now he spends is time fighting through the realm of chaos, sometimes being able to return and getting sucked back in again.

I really hope that story is not true. Even from Ward, that's insane

n0t_u wrote:From the other thread.

Vaktathi wrote:Well, for instance, Draigo has Killed Daemon Prince M'kar twice, carved his name into Mortarion's (the Death Guard Daemon Primarch) heart as his first act as Lord Grand Master for the death of the previous Grand Master, held a pass for two days for an IG regiment to escape and landed every single blow and bolter shot for two days, got sucked into the warp and killed a bloodthirster and takes its axe to reforge into a new sword, burns Nurgle's garden and destroys Tzeentch's city single handedly and buries a lord of Change in it, and now Daemons are too afraid to face him in battle. Now he spends is time fighting through the realm of chaos, sometimes being able to return and getting sucked back in again.

Please tell me thats not real
Please tell me thats a joke or that I'm delusional
Because what I just read burned my eyes

I mean not even Matt Ward could come up with something that terrible could he?

Yes he could. And yes he did.

40K is all about over the top'ed-ness and 'Big Damned Heroes', but Ward's fluff takes us that from the realm where 'Rule of Cool' is all important and and puts it into the realm of really really bad fan fiction, filled with author-insertion fantasy persona characters (the bloody Sanguinor, this new Draigo guy, and even Calgar to a lesser extent) and events and lists of deeds that read like a shopping list of some 10 year old going "And then he did this, and then he did this, and then he did this, and then... and then...."

Then his rules only solidify this stupidity.

Bloodshard Rounds.
Bloodstrike Missiles.
Blood Fists.
Blood Talons.

And my latest fav - Nemesis (fething) Doomfists.

Now I love the Marine Codex, but I love it for its absurdities. Once I saw that that was all Ward was capable of, I got really worried. With the BA and GK Codices under his hat I truly fear just what he's going feth up next (Black Templars most likely).

Neither Gav Thorpe or Andy Chambers were all that good at writing rules (or, at least, realising the great concepts they had created), but damn if they weren't the best creative types. But Ward? It's just... it's almost beyond words how much of a detriment, nay, how much of a blight Matt Ward is on 40K.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
And my latest fav - Nemesis (fething) Doomfists.

You missed out on the best part of that one:

Nemesis (fething) Dreadnight with a pair of Nemesis (fething) Doomfists

That's almost three times the (fething) Nemesis!

I tell you one thing, as a BT player i'm massively concerned for two reasons.

1) If Matt Ward DOES make the new BT codex, it's going to be cheesed up and made just as ridiculous - I don't want to lose the core personality of my beloved chapter.

2) The opposite may happen - in light of all these "super marine" builds, the Templars may just get hit with the nerfhammer instead.

Either way, i'm pretty worried.

Brother SRM wrote:

Fafnir wrote:I've just come to a startling conclusion... Matt Ward... is the Micheal Bay of wargames! It all makes sense now!

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I don't think that's fair. Michael Bay movies are at least fun to watch. I've yet to see Mat Ward write his equivalent of "The Rock".

I've yet to see Ward write anything as bad as "Pearl Harbour". Yes, it was worse than anything in the leaked GK codex.

n0t_u wrote:From the other thread.

Vaktathi wrote:Well, for instance, Draigo has Killed Daemon Prince M'kar twice, carved his name into Mortarion's (the Death Guard Daemon Primarch) heart as his first act as Lord Grand Master for the death of the previous Grand Master, held a pass for two days for an IG regiment to escape and landed every single blow and bolter shot for two days, got sucked into the warp and killed a bloodthirster and takes its axe to reforge into a new sword, burns Nurgle's garden and destroys Tzeentch's city single handedly and buries a lord of Change in it, and now Daemons are too afraid to face him in battle. Now he spends is time fighting through the realm of chaos, sometimes being able to return and getting sucked back in again.

This wouldn't happen to be the M'kar who also trapped Mephiston and tried to convince him to join Chaos?

And maybe the one Marneus Calgar also fought and killed? Lexicanum says yes, but we all know how accurate Lexicanum can be.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now I love the Marine Codex, but I love it for its absurdities. Once I saw that that was all Ward was capable of, I got really worried. With the BA and GK Codices under his hat I truly fear just what he's going feth up next (Black Templars most likely).

Y'know, come to think of it, I'm happy with my DA codex.

There's really a simple solution for this.

Don't let Matt Ward write any fluff or name any equipment. Just write rules.

Kanluwen wrote:There's really a simple solution for this.

Don't let Matt Ward write any fluff or name any equipment. Just write rules.

Could get Phil Kelly to write the fluff. His stuff is pretty darn neat considering he's done some good fiction in the Ork dex and the Dark Eldar dex. No idea about the Space Wolf dex since I don't play them

So I just got my hands on this alleged leaked copy (for what it's worth, it looks way way way more authentic than the eventually discredited BA codex that was "leaked" a few weeks before the real one came out).... and OMG. Even without having all the descriptions of the items, this is going to be a crazy powerful codex.

And yeah, the 100-point HQ that makes henchmen warbands troops? Sick sick sick things you could do with those units. If the author was anyone but Mat Ward, I would dismiss it out of hand as la ludicrous fake, but we've all seen and read his prior work.


Oh well, I'm still going to play it, I'm just going to wait a few months for whatever the next book is, so I can buy the new Grey Knight plastics real cheap on bartertown and ebay from all the FOTM bandwagoners.

Thunder555 wrote:

n0t_u wrote:From the other thread.

Vaktathi wrote:Well, for instance, Draigo has Killed Daemon Prince M'kar twice, carved his name into Mortarion's (the Death Guard Daemon Primarch) heart as his first act as Lord Grand Master for the death of the previous Grand Master, held a pass for two days for an IG regiment to escape and landed every single blow and bolter shot for two days, got sucked into the warp and killed a bloodthirster and takes its axe to reforge into a new sword, burns Nurgle's garden and destroys Tzeentch's city single handedly and buries a lord of Change in it, and now Daemons are too afraid to face him in battle. Now he spends is time fighting through the realm of chaos, sometimes being able to return and getting sucked back in again.

I really hope that story is not true. Even from Ward, that's insane

I don't see the problem here. 40k is about OTT action. Draigo is basically forced to walk forever in the Realm of Chaos. He's been alive for hundreds if not thousands of years of effective time. The only thing I thought was a little wonky was the carving of the previous GM's name into Mort's heart, but there's no details about the encounter. For all we know, the whole chapter of GK were there and beat Mort down, only for him to escape with a little Zorro action on him.

I think a lot of the fluff is propaganda and not to be taken literally. Did he literally not miss a single blow in the pass? No, probably not. Was it the narrowest part of the pass and did he hold it long enough for them to escape? Apparently. The first time he killed M'kar he only struck the fatal blow. The second time he almost died and barely defeated him only to be banished to the RoC. All the crap he does in the RoC is after 'an uncounted age of wandering'. I'm guessing he picked up a few levels in badass and a little XP while wandering around for an uncounted age.

I was originally confused by him since he became GM in 901.M41 and was a brother at 799.M41, but it looks like he is going forward and backward in time in the RoC and that accounts for the extreme amounts of experience he has.

Either way, some people will like it, some people won't. 40k is about being OTT though, and marines doubly so, so I don't mind it.