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Sasori wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

SonicPara wrote:Army-wide FNP really isn't a good substitute for WBB in my opinion. Sure it speeds the game up and is way better for Necron players (and you guys deserve some goodies) but it really makes no sense fluff-wise. Necrons are supposed to go down, repair, and then get back up and beat you down. Having FNP and no WBB means that they are tough to kill but once they are down, they are down for good. Methinks there needs to be a better alternative created by GW.

lol, but remember who is supposedly writing the codex and all you're misgivings can then be forcused

Phil Kelly right?

I heard that It was going to be Matt Ward writin the codex, however he had such a hard time writing the fluff that two backup writers were called into finish it up.

The Night Stalker wrote:

Sasori wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

SonicPara wrote:Army-wide FNP really isn't a good substitute for WBB in my opinion. Sure it speeds the game up and is way better for Necron players (and you guys deserve some goodies) but it really makes no sense fluff-wise. Necrons are supposed to go down, repair, and then get back up and beat you down. Having FNP and no WBB means that they are tough to kill but once they are down, they are down for good. Methinks there needs to be a better alternative created by GW.

lol, but remember who is supposedly writing the codex and all you're misgivings can then be forcused

Phil Kelly right?

I heard that It was going to be Matt Ward writin the codex, however he had such a hard time writing the fluff that two backup writers were called into finish it up.

Yeah. Apparently some people got a look at where he was taking it and FINALLY the warning klaxons sounded and was thusly intervened on. Thank god.

Oh wow so it is true I guess, I remember the topic comming up at the FLGS last week, what was Ward doing to the crons? Last I heard they were fighting alongside the blood angels or some crap like that.

The Night Stalker wrote:Oh wow so it is true I guess, I remember the topic comming up at the FLGS last week, what was Ward doing to the crons? Last I heard they were fighting alongside the blood angels or some crap like that.

I'd take anything stated by Kurgash with a pinch of salt. Nothing has pointed towards Matt Ward writing the Necrons book, and considering the level of butchery they've seemingly allowed him on the Grey Knights book--there's no 'warning klaxons going off' anywhere in GW at his style of fluff writing(which seems to be "Can I outdo C.S. Goto in terms of ridiculousness?").

And no. They were never 'fighting alongside the Blood Angels'. That's a popular misconception that people like to flout so that it makes their outrage at the Blood Angels Codex seem even more justified.

In reality, the way it's described: the Necrons and the Blood Angels are on the same planet, fighting Tyranids. They never have contact with each other, they just ignore each other and go about the business of slaughtering the Tyranids.

Hmm whenever Matt writes a non marine book, fluff tends to be not too noticeable with either medium or high tier rules (see wood elves and daemons)

But Idk about this book pumping, doesnt seem like gw to have releases back to back to back

So, if they're getting the deldar treatment, does that mean all new looking warriors? I kinda hope not :( I like em as is, unless they wanna give em new/better poses or something

Whiel i am all for new plastic kits, i hope they dont look TOO diferent from the current models (i'm think of old obliterators now whcih cannto stand next to the current ones).

I'd like to be able to add to and update my existing Necron army, not start from complete scratch again.

Praxiss wrote:I'd like to be able to add to and update my existing Necron army, not start from complete scratch again.

New to dealing with GW are we?

Lol.


Obviously the new models will look different, maybe more ornate, whatever.

My point in referring to the Oblits is that, in that case, you cannot use the 2 together as they are SO different in size, design, everything. I'm hopign that the new Necron models will be able to stand next to the old ones and not look completely out of place.

I thought ogre kingdoms was going to be in August.

Seriously, GW is way behind on the fantasy releases since it's been about 8 months since the new edition was released and they're just releasing the 1st 8th edition army book this month....

Kroothawk wrote:May = Tomb Kings (Fantasy)
June = ?2nd wave Dark Eldar? (40k)
July = Necrons??? (again 40k)
There hasn't been a major army release in July for a loong time (last one I remember was Necrons July 2002 ironically) and only once in August (Dark Elves 2008), and back to back with another rumoured 40k release sounds weird as well. And the reasoning sounds far fetched as well. It sounds more in line with all the "OMG the Sororitas box is gone, Codex within 3 months apparently!" threads

While several rumours put a Necron release not that far away, I personally doubt it being so soon and in the summer holiday season.

I'm a little wary about the "2nd wave of Dark Eldar" The latest white dwarf has the new models dropping March 19th, unless we can expect a bigger wave. I honestly wouldn't mind a summer release for necrons. New codex means my buddy will be more apt to gaming over the summer.

The Night Stalker wrote:I heard that It was going to be Matt Ward writin the codex, however he had such a hard time writing the fluff that two backup writers were called into finish it up.

Kurgash wrote:Yeah. Apparently some people got a look at where he was taking it and FINALLY the warning klaxons sounded and was thusly intervened on. Thank god.

Maybe the managers read the printed GK Codex, got suspicious and read the Necron Codex draft
If a playable human GK character kickassed a Primarch twice, guess what Mat Ward had planned for the God-like C'Tan?

Hyenajoe wrote:Weren't the Daemons released during summer?

No, in May.

Alfndrate wrote:I'm a little wary about the "2nd wave of Dark Eldar" The latest white dwarf has the new models dropping March 19th, unless we can expect a bigger wave. I honestly wouldn't mind a summer release for necrons. New codex means my buddy will be more apt to gaming over the summer.

The march release was the long expected minor wave 1.5, not the big second wave bringing the rest of the promised 90% unit models.

We have it on good authority(namely: Jes Goodwin) that June will be the 2nd wave of Dark Eldar, focused mainly on the Haemonculi Covens and whatever else is left over to be released.

TBH i would rather wait until later in the year if it means the new codex doesn't get rushed out before it ready.

Pleeeeease no FNP, it will kill the concept of the army! In every single piece of Necron fluff, they die and get back up. If GW are essentially going to completely rewrite the entire Necron Race... I've lost what little faith in them I had.

On the other hand, my birthday is at the end of August, so I'd thoroughly enjoy Necrons coming out in time for that, no matter what

I dont see why people are annoyed at the concept of replacing WBB with FnP (although I am a bit irked that Necrons are no longer the only army with this rule army-wide anymore). It's the same with Tyranids suffering Perils of the Warp. They dont get attacked by daemons, but the Hive Mind just suffers a brain aneurysm (or something along those lines) which has a similar effect. Making it Streamlined means less cross-checking the book to see when the Necrons get it.

Plus, with a Res-Orb, they can still potentially be more durable than any other army. Rending combined with this might also mean the end of Melta Spam and the start of plasma spam.

KOS wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

KOS wrote:why I do have the bad feeling that the Necrons will return as an almost invincible army ?

Don't worry, they're not Space Marines so will be pretty "meh".

well no, that's wrong. Every army should be balanced, but I fear that Necrons could become overpowered once again :(

I have had a feeling for a while now that slowly but surely they are "over powering" all the armies, and in time all armies will be "balanced". Mostly all the new codices are said to be overpowered: Blood Angels, Wolves, Guard, etc. I have a feeling that we'll see codex upgrades for all armies before 6th edition, and then between "over powered" codices and some rules changes in 6th we'll have a decently balanced game. Or, at least I can hope.

I'm eating my salt now...
This ain't happening in Jul or Aug.

Just because parts of the army are not available to ind. retailers does not mean = new codex imminent...

If this was the case the Gray knights SOB and DE would have all had 3+ versions of their respected codexs since 4th.

Parts of other Armies are withdrawn for new box art all the time. The kits you can't order one month then pop back up in 2-3months, or go Direct only for a bit then go back to regular sales.

It's not like they are selling like free hotcakes right now, so a move to D.O. might be a good thing to drive down the inventories and back stock for a release some time next year or late this year (very late Dec-early jan).

July Aug usually are only Rule book releases, or 2nd/3rd wave for 4k, Dec/Jan Mar/Apr and Sept/Oct seem to be the money months for 40k and have been for some time.

Also due to the fact that Ogre kingdoms or what ever looks to hit about the same time... would be another reason for salt. Maybe they will be announced in Aug for a Sept/Oct launch.

Kanluwen wrote:

The Night Stalker wrote:Oh wow so it is true I guess, I remember the topic comming up at the FLGS last week, what was Ward doing to the crons? Last I heard they were fighting alongside the blood angels or some crap like that.

I'd take anything stated by Kurgash with a pinch of salt. Nothing has pointed towards Matt Ward writing the Necrons book, and considering the level of butchery they've seemingly allowed him on the Grey Knights book--there's no 'warning klaxons going off' anywhere in GW at his style of fluff writing(which seems to be "Can I outdo C.S. Goto in terms of ridiculousness?").

And no. They were never 'fighting alongside the Blood Angels'. That's a popular misconception that people like to flout so that it makes their outrage at the Blood Angels Codex seem even more justified.

In reality, the way it's described: the Necrons and the Blood Angels are on the same planet, fighting Tyranids. They never have contact with each other, they just ignore each other and go about the business of slaughtering the Tyranids.

From the Blood Angels Codex, page 16, under the heading "955.M41 The Gehenna Campaign"

Commander Dante and the 3rd Company battle against the Necron Legions of the Silent King amidst the dusty wastes of Gehenna. For three weeks, neither side can seize the upper hand, with Dante's tactical brilliance stretched to its limits in countering the time-space manipulations of the Silent King. The stalemate is broken only when a Tyranid splinter fleet enters orbit, forcing the two armies to break off hostilities and fight the common foe. The impromptu alliance proves to be the Tyranids' undoing. Following the final battle at Devil's Crag, Dante and the Silent King go their separate ways, both forces now too battleworn to guarantee victory over the other, and, at least for the Blood Angels, the idea of turning on those they had so recently fought alongside, a rather distasteful one.

While you could make an argument that the Blood Angels and Necrons didn't co-ordinate strategy (although that's far from certain, given the wording that "Dante and the Silent King go their separate ways", implying that they were not separate for a time). You cannot, however, claim (as Kan does) that the Necrons "were never 'fighting alongside the Blood Angels'"; since the one thing the text is explicit about is that the Necrons and Blood Angels "fought alongside".

More importantly then pointing out Kan's misstatement is the point that this is another example of the Necrons moving away from a monolithic entity where the personality resides only in the C'tan, to a (slightly) more personal army where the individual lords possess some degree of autonomy and personality.

Necrons were my first 40k army, and I really look forward to seeing what they do with them: I'm not sure that the current trend of special characters that give army-wide special rules would necessarily work all that well, but at the same time, the development of the Necron background in the Apocalypse rulebooks points to different ways for this mechanic to allow for flavor to be added.

Sounds more likely. you woudl think that if the new codex was coming out in July there woudl be more concrete info out there.

I just hope that I finally can use at least most of my 60 warriors again without feeling like I'm shooting myself in the foot.

Exactly my worry.

Im sorry, but i could not see the diference beetween will be back and feel no pain. I mean, except for the time when you roll the dice, the rules are exact the same: you failed an armor save, roll a dice, on 4+ you dont take the dmg, forget that if the attack was ap 1 or 2, power weapon, or causes instant death because of the Str. It can be even better if you are talking about models with more than 1 wound, they have one "wbb" roll for each wound. I liked it.

About the visuals: i like the Terminator look of them, but i would like it a lot more if all the robots got "insectish" features, like the tomb stalker...

Buzzsaw wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

The Night Stalker wrote:Oh wow so it is true I guess, I remember the topic comming up at the FLGS last week, what was Ward doing to the crons? Last I heard they were fighting alongside the blood angels or some crap like that.

I'd take anything stated by Kurgash with a pinch of salt. Nothing has pointed towards Matt Ward writing the Necrons book, and considering the level of butchery they've seemingly allowed him on the Grey Knights book--there's no 'warning klaxons going off' anywhere in GW at his style of fluff writing(which seems to be "Can I outdo C.S. Goto in terms of ridiculousness?").

And no. They were never 'fighting alongside the Blood Angels'. That's a popular misconception that people like to flout so that it makes their outrage at the Blood Angels Codex seem even more justified.

In reality, the way it's described: the Necrons and the Blood Angels are on the same planet, fighting Tyranids. They never have contact with each other, they just ignore each other and go about the business of slaughtering the Tyranids.

From the Blood Angels Codex, page 16, under the heading "955.M41 The Gehenna Campaign"

Commander Dante and the 3rd Company battle against the Necron Legions of the Silent King amidst the dusty wastes of Gehenna. For three weeks, neither side can seize the upper hand, with Dante's tactical brilliance stretched to its limits in countering the time-space manipulations of the Silent King. The stalemate is broken only when a Tyranid splinter fleet enters orbit, forcing the two armies to break off hostilities and fight the common foe. The impromptu alliance proves to be the Tyranids' undoing. Following the final battle at Devil's Crag, Dante and the Silent King go their separate ways, both forces now too battleworn to guarantee victory over the other, and, at least for the Blood Angels, the idea of turning on those they had so recently fought alongside, a rather distasteful one.

While you could make an argument that the Blood Angels and Necrons didn't co-ordinate strategy (although that's far from certain, given the wording that "Dante and the Silent King go their separate ways", implying that they were not separate for a time). You cannot, however, claim (as Kan does) that the Necrons "were never 'fighting alongside the Blood Angels'"; since the one thing the text is explicit about is that the Necrons and Blood Angels "fought alongside".

More importantly then pointing out Kan's misstatement is the point that this is another example of the Necrons moving away from a monolithic entity where the personality resides only in the C'tan, to a (slightly) more personal army where the individual lords possess some degree of autonomy and personality.

Necrons were my first 40k army, and I really look forward to seeing what they do with them: I'm not sure that the current trend of special characters that give army-wide special rules would necessarily work all that well, but at the same time, the development of the Necron background in the Apocalypse rulebooks points to different ways for this mechanic to allow for flavor to be added.

Hey, maybe they just exchanged deathmask fashion tips and went their sepperate ways.

Buzzsaw wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

The Night Stalker wrote:Oh wow so it is true I guess, I remember the topic comming up at the FLGS last week, what was Ward doing to the crons? Last I heard they were fighting alongside the blood angels or some crap like that.

I'd take anything stated by Kurgash with a pinch of salt. Nothing has pointed towards Matt Ward writing the Necrons book, and considering the level of butchery they've seemingly allowed him on the Grey Knights book--there's no 'warning klaxons going off' anywhere in GW at his style of fluff writing(which seems to be "Can I outdo C.S. Goto in terms of ridiculousness?").

And no. They were never 'fighting alongside the Blood Angels'. That's a popular misconception that people like to flout so that it makes their outrage at the Blood Angels Codex seem even more justified.

In reality, the way it's described: the Necrons and the Blood Angels are on the same planet, fighting Tyranids. They never have contact with each other, they just ignore each other and go about the business of slaughtering the Tyranids.

From the Blood Angels Codex, page 16, under the heading "955.M41 The Gehenna Campaign"

Commander Dante and the 3rd Company battle against the Necron Legions of the Silent King amidst the dusty wastes of Gehenna. For three weeks, neither side can seize the upper hand, with Dante's tactical brilliance stretched to its limits in countering the time-space manipulations of the Silent King. The stalemate is broken only when a Tyranid splinter fleet enters orbit, forcing the two armies to break off hostilities and fight the common foe. The impromptu alliance proves to be the Tyranids' undoing. Following the final battle at Devil's Crag, Dante and the Silent King go their separate ways, both forces now too battleworn to guarantee victory over the other, and, at least for the Blood Angels, the idea of turning on those they had so recently fought alongside, a rather distasteful one.

While you could make an argument that the Blood Angels and Necrons didn't co-ordinate strategy (although that's far from certain, given the wording that "Dante and the Silent King go their separate ways", implying that they were not separate for a time). You cannot, however, claim (as Kan does) that the Necrons "were never 'fighting alongside the Blood Angels'"; since the one thing the text is explicit about is that the Necrons and Blood Angels "fought alongside".

The Gauls and the Mongols both fought the Romans. They however never fought alongside each other, never organized themselves, etc.
With the Blood Angels/Necrons bit it's an example of an author trying to use a word that they think means one thing when it really means something else.

Basically: the "impromptu alliance" part is just crummy wording. It's meant to show that it was 'unforeseen', when in reality impromptu just means 'improvised' or 'done without preparation'.

More importantly then pointing out Kan's misstatement is the point that this is another example of the Necrons moving away from a monolithic entity where the personality resides only in the C'tan, to a (slightly) more personal army where the individual lords possess some degree of autonomy and personality.

I do agree that the example of individualism was a good step forward. I do disagree, however, with your interpretation of the fluff.

Necrons were my first 40k army, and I really look forward to seeing what they do with them: I'm not sure that the current trend of special characters that give army-wide special rules would necessarily work all that well, but at the same time, the development of the Necron background in the Apocalypse rulebooks points to different ways for this mechanic to allow for flavor to be added.

Yeah it does. And it's definitely a good thing.

Pleeeeease no FNP, it will kill the concept of the army! In every single piece of Necron fluff, they die and get back up.

Two saving throws is two saving throws, it will hardly kill the concept of the army for game play purposes to change the name of the second saving throw and you can imagine anything you want regarding why they get two saving throws. WBB is one of the most outdated, poorly understood and abused rules ever. It finally missed its own saving throw, I wouldn't expect it to be back.

I think you're confusing the Mongols with the Huns under Attila (420s)...there wasn't a roman empire to speak of in the 1200s when the Mongols invaded Europe....and didn't make it that far west.

The Gauls wouldn't have helped the Huns anyway because by the time of Attila they were already an integrated people in the roman empire...in fact they fought the huns when Attila crossed the Rhine.

You could be thinking of how the Visigoths invaded and sacked rome (410) but they weren't Gauls, they were Goths that were settled, by the romans, on land owned by Gauls.

Your point that GW writers lack any fundamental understanding of the English language is taken but the example was incorrect.

I know its been mentioned that babysitting the warriors with a six inch bubble, but as it stands there is nothing that gives a unit their feel no pain roll no matter what. At least with a lord attached to a unit (or near by), the warriors would still get a saving throw. With one of my friends playing Plague Marines, and the other playing Necrons, seeing WBB rolls happen makes it more annoying for the Plague Marine player who has seen five warriors drop to power weapons etc, and watching four of them get right back up.

But I think if the Rez Orb does something similar to what it currently does, I would be happy.

With regards to WBB there is no reason that an equal rule can't be just as fluffy to the codex and spirit of the army. If WBB is removed and replaced by a universal rule then the Necrons may get a new army wide special rule that can go with the new expanded upon fluff. In fact I would rather see something new as an armywide rule rather than re-done WBB.

The Six inch bubble - I think the main problem here is the fact thats its a bubble only an HQ slot can provide. Personally, I would rather see Tomb Spiders take upon the baby-sitting job of repairing Necrons than the Necron Lord as in the current codex. It would be more fluffy, more interesting game play, and just all around better for the army. The Bubble defense needs to stay, but should be moved to a different unit and not an HQ

C'tan - I think there should be a full powered C'tan version for Apoc, however, they should not be removed wholly from the codex as this would both hurt the fluff and what little the army has right now that is interesting.
Firstly, Necron Lords need to be expanded upon so that no one should ever feel compelled to use the C'tan for their armies, they should have distinct personalities as in the fluff they actually are not as tarnished from the years of being Necron as other types of Necrons.
The C'tan themselves should either be changed to a herald type scenario like Dawn of War with keeping their current power level with a rules update, or should remain as C'tan that are restricted to a smaller power level (compared to Apoc) because of the type of necrodermis that they are in for smaller confrontations.

Given what happened to the other "faceless" army (the Nids) I wouldnt be surprised if a whole host of new special characters appear to fill the gap of loosing the C'tan. The C'tan themselves never really fit in with the other special characters, it's like the Ultramarine Primarch showing up and replacing Calgar in the Vanilla Marine codex or Khorne leading his Daemons.

As for the Res Orb, I agree with Noir in that someone else should do the babysitting. With a name like the Res Orb, I'd be expecting something along the lines of the VC and TK ability of summoning basic troopers mid-battle, Nids and (to an extent) IG can do it, and it would give at least some flavour to the Necrons when their WBB gets generalized into FnP.