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MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Given what happened to the other "faceless" army (the Nids) I wouldnt be surprised if a whole host of new special characters appear to fill the gap of loosing the C'tan. The C'tan themselves never really fit in with the other special characters, it's like the Ultramarine Primarch showing up and replacing Calgar in the Vanilla Marine codex or Khorne leading his Daemons.

As for the Res Orb, I agree with Noir in that someone else should do the babysitting. With a name like the Res Orb, I'd be expecting something along the lines of the VC and TK ability of summoning basic troopers mid-battle, Nids and (to an extent) IG can do it, and it would give at least some flavour to the Necrons when their WBB gets generalized into FnP.

It always surprised me that Tomb Spyders didn't count as having a Res Orb. That should be included, methinks.

agnosto wrote:I think you're confusing the Mongols with the Huns under Attila (420s)...there wasn't a roman empire to speak of in the 1200s when the Mongols invaded Europe....and didn't make it that far west.

The Gauls wouldn't have helped the Huns anyway because by the time of Attila they were already an integrated people in the roman empire...in fact they fought the huns when Attila crossed the Rhine.

You could be thinking of how the Visigoths invaded and sacked rome (410) but they weren't Gauls, they were Goths that were settled, by the romans, on land owned by Gauls.

That was the point, clearly! That without Attila's research into a time traveling chariot and teleporting yurts, the Gauls and Mongols couldn't ever be allies!

Your point that GW writers lack any fundamental understanding of the English language is taken but the example was incorrect.

I know, it made me feel bad after I reread it. But I was on a time constraint having to argue on the phone with someone.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Given what happened to the other "faceless" army (the Nids) I wouldnt be surprised if a whole host of new special characters appear to fill the gap of loosing the C'tan. The C'tan themselves never really fit in with the other special characters, it's like the Ultramarine Primarch showing up and replacing Calgar in the Vanilla Marine codex or Khorne leading his Daemons.

Which is what I was leaning towards. I don't mind the removal of the C'tan themselves so much as their complete removal. I would rather see a herald that acted much like in DoW where you could summon the powers of the C'tan to aid you in battle. Something like this could use the current model range, have the same power level with updated rules, and be still just as fluffy if not more to what is currently in place.

If the C'tan where to stay than there should be more fluff as to when they choose to engage in battle and as to why. The C'tan regularly engaged in battle with the Necrons during the war against the old ones so it isn't completely unrealistic to see them in a battle now while they are awakened. Its fluffy that they fight now because they are awakened, hungry, and feeding on whatever they can. Khorne isn't exactly entering the universe on a normal basis. All I want is the fluff to be there

About special characters in general, again this is why I said to make Necron Lords 10x more expanded upon. Just because the C'tan exist doesn't mean that the Necron army should take a back seat. I want to see more with the Necron Lords, see the story of the Necrontyr from their side as they have not completely forgotten times before being Necron.

New units could also allow special characters so that special characters are not just completely focused on Lords and Pariahs. With the trend of around 8 special characters per codex there is plenty of room to fit everything the codex needs.

Oooh, I like the sound of this. I started with Necrons and it would be nice to dig them out of Tomb World Box-In-The-Attic.

if anyone is hngry for necron codex ideas, there is a good fandex in the Proposed Rules forum.....i'll find a link





link!!!


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/294849.page

Buzzsaw wrote: From the Blood Angels Codex, page 16, under the heading "955.M41 The Gehenna Campaign"

Commander Dante and the 3rd Company battle against the Necron Legions of the Silent King amidst the dusty wastes of Gehenna. For three weeks, neither side can seize the upper hand, with Dante's tactical brilliance stretched to its limits in countering the time-space manipulations of the Silent King. The stalemate is broken only when a Tyranid splinter fleet enters orbit, forcing the two armies to break off hostilities and fight the common foe. The impromptu alliance proves to be the Tyranids' undoing. Following the final battle at Devil's Crag, Dante and the Silent King go their separate ways, both forces now too battleworn to guarantee victory over the other, and, at least for the Blood Angels, the idea of turning on those they had so recently fought alongside, a rather distasteful one.

While you could make an argument that the Blood Angels and Necrons didn't co-ordinate strategy (although that's far from certain, given the wording that "Dante and the Silent King go their separate ways", implying that they were not separate for a time). You cannot, however, claim (as Kan does) that the Necrons "were never 'fighting alongside the Blood Angels'"; since the one thing the text is explicit about is that the Necrons and Blood Angels "fought alongside".

For what its worth, here is what I've heard:

November release
Phase out will be gone
WBB remains with tweaks.
Ctan leave the dex
Crons will either be fearless or stubborn
Wraith claws will ignore armor and invul saves in CC
expect general price decreases throughout the codex

I, like many others, am against the WBB to FNP change because it's completely against the fluff. The Necrons die, then they get back up, not just ignore the wound. As for Guass being rending, I feel like a better alternative to this, so it doesn't mess with shooting at non-armoured units, just have it count all vehicles as open-topped. This allows it to destroy vehicles with a glancing it, but won't make their shooting the deadliest thing in existence. Also firmly against the individualized Lords. Necrons don't have personal identity, they have conformity and a universal theme. Having special Lords would totally break this feel and make me rather upset I think.


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Portaljacker wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I wonder if the C'Tan will vanish... 'cause I've got to get those models!

I doubt it, they'd basically have to do some mighty strong hand waving to delete the gods of the Necron from the fluff. We'd probably get newer models of them. Thought the current ones are good.

Just because it's in the fluff doesn't mean it has to be in game.

KOS wrote:why I do have the bad feeling that the Necrons will return as an almost invincible army ?

Of course they will. its GW. The best way to sell a new army is to have it own everything else. The latest codex is always the best...well, it will be just under the last or next SM release. So take a look at GK when they come out next month, Necrons will be just a bit less powerful than them. After all we cant have a xeno completely running over the bread and butter SM.

Although I dont play 40k, and am unlikely to, Im looking forward to this. I really like the necrons and some new fluff will be fun to read. maybe even buy a few minis if they make some good ones.

Mad4Minis wrote:

KOS wrote:why I do have the bad feeling that the Necrons will return as an almost invincible army ?

Of course they will. its GW. The best way to sell a new army is to have it own everything else. The latest codex is always the best...well, it will be just under the last or next SM release. So take a look at GK when they come out next month, Necrons will be just a bit less powerful than them. After all we cant have a xeno completely running over the bread and butter SM.

Although I dont play 40k, and am unlikely to, Im looking forward to this. I really like the necrons and some new fluff will be fun to read. maybe even buy a few minis if they make some good ones.

Nah. If they were Space Marines: Necrons then yes, they would be overpowered to the max.

The last couple non-SM codexes have been relatively balanced but fun to play. Hopefully Necrons keep that going.

I see army No3 on the horizon.

I'm wondering if I should start Necron now, or will the old models be useless? Or would they still be useful but be of the older style so unique?

Portaljacker wrote:I'm wondering if I should start Necron now, or will the old models be useless? Or would they still be useful but be of the older style so unique?

If it's plastic now, it'll probably be unchanged. They usually have three plastic kits per release, and all the rumors for the last two years or whatever have been plastic immortals. In other words, load up on warriors, destroyers, and Monoliths and you should be gravy. Those are pretty much the only usable units in the codex anyway.

There have been some rumors of the Destroyers being upgraded, as the rumor mentioned "any Immortal based kit".

Though for metal stuff it would be cool to have some older ones. As long as they're still legal of course.

Kroothawk wrote:

It has been a long day here, for various reasons.

So, thanks for that - as it gave me a much needed laugh!

Where did you find it?

You know even if they kept WBB in name only but had it operate just like FNP I'd be happy. But oh well. My biggest concern is this redesigning of the models bit. I think aesthetically necrons have the most coherent and well done look of any army. I really hope we don't see any design changes, just change the metal models to plastic please.

Also tech upgrades acting like psychic powers is kinda bizzare. Why would we need a Ld test? What's the Perils of the Warp equivalent? The old system of wargear works just fine: pick 100 points of the following.

Of course it works, but it's the old style. Now all Necron characters will get 8 billion different options, of which only 3 will be useful and all will be weapons, meaning you can only actually take one.

I'm just looking forward to a plastic Heavy Destroyer. GW is eliminating all hybrid kits from the range, so bye-bye hybrid HD and hello re-cut Destroyer/Heavy Destroyer.

Azure - necron guns SHOULD rip apart non-vehicles - they take your armour apart molecule by molecule. They should have already had rending....

I'm looking forward to it, because I'ev always love the concept just been put off by the limited army choices. ALso, loading up on monliths may be a bad idea, as EVERYONE has one it may get the 'fex treatment...

Alpharius wrote:Where did you find it?

Aduro posted it in the Mat Ward thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/348592.page

Azure wrote:Also firmly against the individualized Lords. Necrons don't have personal identity, they have conformity and a universal theme. Having special Lords would totally break this feel and make me rather upset I think.

Actually, there are two pieces of fluff that would support individual named Lords:

p25 Codex: Necrons:
"Only a few of the very strongest [Necrontyr] retained their intellect and even they were shadows of their former selves."

...and the Necron section of the 5th Ed 40k Rulebook (don't have it on me, no direct quote) expressly states that Necrons retain their memory and personality (to an extent) but by being kept in stasis for so long, damaged and repaired repeatedly, their memories are fading. This applies to Warriors more than the Lords, who were likely built with improved hard drives or whatever. But after 60 million years of being stuck inside a robot, I would imagine whatever personality you once had has devolved into a hateful, seething anger. Even so, it specifically mentions that the more powerful Lords retain some measure of personality and memory.

if you are thinking of startign a 'Cron army then your best bet is probably to pick up the Battleforce as it has a squad of destroyers, a good starting point of scarabs and (i think) 24 warriors.

I plan to as Maelstrom sells it and most battleforces for $75CDN as opposed to $108CDN. Does Maelstrom charge VAT for international orders? If so what percent of the cost is VAT equivalent to?

28 warriors, i think? As to why 28? beats me

3 bases of scarabs

3 destroyers

It's not a bad deal.

I plan to as Maelstrom sells it and most battleforces for $75CDN as opposed to $108CDN. Does Maelstrom charge VAT for international orders? If so what percent of the cost is VAT equivalent to?

Wouldn't it make more sense to check with Maelstrom at their website and get an immediate answer than checking here, having to wait, and maybe getting no information or bad information? Does anyone on Warhammer forums ever go anywhere else on the Internet?

28 warriors, i think? As to why 28? beats me

It's because at the time the Tau Battleforce came out a few years ago GW went to the "all Battleforces and Battalions have the same price" which was $90 US then. For most Battleforces that was a price decrease, but for the Necrons it was a slight increase and in order to make the Necron Battleforce a worthwhile deal they stuck in a few more Warriors than had originally been in it. Of course, they abandoned the strict $90 pricing on Battleforces a couple years ago, but at the time it was the rule of the GW land it was why they modified the Necron Battleforce as they did.

If you can find the Apocalypse Necron Phalanx bundle deal sitting on a shelf somewhere it's a great way to get tons of core plastics at a significant discount. I got mine at 20% off at the time, making it like buying the equivalent individual box sets at wholesale. I've just been hanging onto it since then waiting patiently for the next Necron Codex revision and more plastics to go with it.

28 warriors in the battleforce is a good idea, add 1 box of warriors and you have 40, throw in a lord and there's a great starter army. I'm gonna be doing 3 units of 13 though, instead of 4 units of 10

I think as far as what you get the necron battleforce seems to be one of the best deals.

I just want a little more variety in what Necrons are. I mean you basically have the same looking guys; one with a green peg, another with two green pegs in parallel, another with two green pegs end-to-end, and yet another with FOUR green pegs. The only real variety in the current army is whether or not a unit has a Destoyer body.

I like what im hearing from these rumors...except the part about the Gauss weapons all being rending! I relaly hope that they improve the look of the Necrons tremendously....but not to the point where I convince myself that I need yet another army to collect!

Take this as salt or what you will but I have heard a few interesting things from a friend of mine who works for GW in the UK... He has been pretty accurate with the stuff he has told me about DE, BA, and Orcs and Goblins, and usually I refrain from posting but this seemed a little too awesome not to put out there.

Take it as you will, I for one believe nothing until I see it in White Dwarf.

Several new plastic kit, including a Plastic type giant ( New Ctan, New HS or Similar?)

Plastic Immortals

Re Cut Warriors with possible addition to turn them into another troops choice (Flayed ones or similar?)

Multiple Rod Colors (I.E. We wont be stuck with just green anymore)

Monolith has some major changes the likes we haven't seen in any kit GW has ever produced. Multiple weapon options, and apparently there were talks of putting an LED kit to go into the center...We shall see if this comes to fruition as this seemed very doubtful to me, but again maybe this is a new direction for them.

Again take this as salt, but he was very right about the DE release, BA release (including the Storm Raven well before the pics were leaked), and several other things this year....I tend to believe it but will hold my breath until we see some actual confirmation.