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sworth9411 wrote:Take this as salt or what you will but I have heard a few interesting things from a friend of mine who works for GW in the UK... He has been pretty accurate with the stuff he has told me about DE, BA, and Orcs and Goblins, and usually I refrain from posting but this seemed a little too awesome not to put out there.

This is a mix of the rumors from last year that we heard re: Necrons (Giant = Necromancer, Immortals/Warriors in plastic, etc and wishlisting (LED kit??), I think.

I'd love an official LED kit for a monolith, but I won't want to pay the $129.95 it will probably cost.

Those rumors are not wishlisting... I don't remember seeing that thread....but still take it as salt I hope to see some of it if not I'm sure they will still be awesome.

The LED thing is interesting, but I have a tough time believing it.

What I find to be most interesting about this announcement (besides the fact that they seem to be doing 2 MEQ armies side-by-side) is that based on the current 'leaked' GK dex, the current codex that best counters the GKs would be the CURRENT Necron dex... I'm guessing they realised this during playtesting, and GW felt there was no reason that a non-SM dex should be stronger then a SM dex, so they decided to "update" the dex to something that will probably get steamrolled by GKs.

All things considered: Dear Necron Players,

How pissed would you be if they removed Living Metal from the Monolith (or turned it into something stupid like a 5+ invul)?

Thoughts?

~DAR

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:What I find to be most interesting about this announcement (besides the fact that they seem to be doing 2 MEQ armies side-by-side) is that based on the current 'leaked' GK dex, the current codex that best counters the GKs would be the CURRENT Necron dex... I'm guessing they realised this during playtesting, and GW felt there was no reason that a non-SM dex should be stronger then a SM dex, so they decided to "update" the dex to something that will probably get steamrolled by GKs.

All things considered: Dear Necron Players,

How pissed would you be if they removed Living Metal from the Monolith (or turned it into something stupid like a 5+ invul)?

Thoughts?

~DAR

Pretty. Ruttin'. Pissed.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:What I find to be most interesting about this announcement (besides the fact that they seem to be doing 2 MEQ armies side-by-side) is that based on the current 'leaked' GK dex, the current codex that best counters the GKs would be the CURRENT Necron dex... I'm guessing they realised this during playtesting, and GW felt there was no reason that a non-SM dex should be stronger then a SM dex, so they decided to "update" the dex to something that will probably get steamrolled by GKs.

All things considered: Dear Necron Players,

How pissed would you be if they removed Living Metal from the Monolith (or turned it into something stupid like a 5+ invul)?

Thoughts?

~DAR

Pretty. Ruttin'. Pissed.

What if it was 120 points and came with a free frogurt?

Multiple weapon options for the 'lith sound good.

As does the idea of a combine Warrior/Flayed ones kit.

LED kit included in the price? I can't see it, an if it did happen i most like wouldnt use it for fear of doign it wrong.

Do people rally have an issue with the green rods? Meh.

pretre wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:What I find to be most interesting about this announcement (besides the fact that they seem to be doing 2 MEQ armies side-by-side) is that based on the current 'leaked' GK dex, the current codex that best counters the GKs would be the CURRENT Necron dex... I'm guessing they realised this during playtesting, and GW felt there was no reason that a non-SM dex should be stronger then a SM dex, so they decided to "update" the dex to something that will probably get steamrolled by GKs.

All things considered: Dear Necron Players,

How pissed would you be if they removed Living Metal from the Monolith (or turned it into something stupid like a 5+ invul)?

Thoughts?

~DAR

Pretty. Ruttin'. Pissed.

What if it was 120 points and came with a free frogurt?

Well if you put it THAT way...

On a more serious note, if living metal was removed and it was reduced by 115 points, I'd still be pissed. 'Cos Necron ships, vehicles and the C'Tan are all meant to be made of that near indestructible stuff. I don't like retconning out cool goodies

Scarey Nerd wrote:

What if it was 120 points and came with a free frogurt?

Well if you put it THAT way...

On a more serious note, if living metal was removed and it was reduced by 115 points, I'd still be pissed. 'Cos Necron ships, vehicles and the C'Tan are all meant to be made of that near indestructible stuff. I don't like retconning out cool goodies

I'd prep your pissed face now then. I imagine things will little resemble the current rules when they are done. Necrons need too much for a bandaid fix.

I'd prep your pissed face now then. I imagine things will little resemble the current rules when they are done. Necrons need too much for a bandaid fix.

*sigh* I know, I can see my beloved 'Crons being ruined (for me at least), but I dare to hope...

I really dont think the monolith needs to lose living metal. Personally, I dont see it as something so over powered it needs to go bye bye. Yea its tough, and you have to actually think a bit on how your going to go at it, but its not HOMG powerful.


The led kit - sounds like total BS to me

multiple color rods - again, sounds like BS, they wouldnt go through the trouble of making players THAT happy. They will stay green Id bet

multi troop choice kits - making a warrior box either flayed ones or warriors would be a neat idea. I can see this working out well, specially if they make the flayed ones worth taking. Ive always liked them as an idea, but on the table they are certainly laughable right now.

Nerfing the 'Lith would suck.


I suppose would accept them changing it to being immune to Melta btu other weaposn (c.Fists) still get the 2D6.

But even then i woudl still be pissed.

Yeah I saw this, I really hope it is true. I don't collect necrons but think with a little love they could go a very long way.

I'm going to take a flying leap into the dark and say seen as Necrons came form films (aka terminator other robots of death) I think games workshop will be keen to keep the art style and models on the same lines. And talking of films and giant killy robots of death/AI world apocalypse films of recent years there is only one that bests terminator and it is the Matrix



Next tomb spyder?

I don't have a screen shot but the little robots at the end of Matrix revolutions could be the next scarabs?

I'm assuming the Necorns tomb spyder was originally inspired alot by GW own interpratation of Egyptian mythology.

Edit just looked up the dates 1999 Matrix ... 2002 dex oops my bad.

Necrons were pretty much Tomb Kings in Space meet Stargate and the Terminator.

The Tomb Spyders = Tomb Scorpions
Warriors- Skeletons
Lords- Tomb King/ Lich Priest
Destroyers- Chariots
Scarabs- tomb swarms

not sure which came first, the current dex or tomb kings, but they have a lot of similarity.


I'm hoping against Matrix-crons TBH. I like my metal undead pretty much the way they are (though plastic immortals,flayed ones etc would be nice..) and the smoother, insectile look they went for with the Tomb Stalker looks a bit too Nid for my tastes. Very cool, but not 'Necron' enough for me.

I imagine that the Liths won't change too much, but the new kit (if there is one) will have all the options that do not suck, so that you need the new ones.

I'll be frickin cranky if they make liths vulnerable to melta and cfists etc given that it's the only tank we have, it's slow as hell and it has no troop carrying capability (teleporting yes, carrying no). I'd not be shocked if they do nerf it hard though, as imperial players have been bee-hotching about the meltablocking etc for years, and now they have meltablocking stuff of their own...

Also, why is a Sraven melta-blocking due to protection from re-entry, but drop-pods aren't


*edited for dyslexia*

Drop pods are open so you can shoot inside?

true, but they're not melta resistant on the outside...

I've been in plenty of situations where the other player has blocked a gap between buildings with a pod, and left the hatches up on that side (placing it so they can't unfold)

Ouze wrote:

yakface wrote: but then they went and gave Feel No Pain to Deathguard, Orks (Nobs w/Dok), Space Marines (Apothecary), Tyranids (through Catalyst), Blood Angels (Blood Chalice) and then the whole Dark Eldar army (Power From Pain) and now it almost seems like every army has Feel No Pain

Well said. I also am no fan of Necrons gaining FNP - I don't wish for them to become cookie-cutter plague marines. On the whole, though, I am really excited about a new book!

I'm late to the party, but a better rule could be at the start of the Necron players turn, roll a die for every Necron unit that has suffered casualties. If the roll is equal to or higher than the units majority toughness the owning player can add d3 more models to that unit up to, but not exceeding the original starting count for that unit.

This way it's not easy to rebuild a unit of Destroyers, but a unit of warriors or even scarabs can come back quicker. It's not FnP and doesn't suffer from the disadvantages of FnP (pw and ap 1-2 weapons ignoring it). It also won't be a benifit to IC's

Bindi Baji at HO has this to say about the Necrons and the Beasts of War rumors:

Bindi Baji wrote:WBB is still in the mix, it was being tested, retested and tinkered with only two months ago,
there is a big effort being made to keep it, just a bit simpler

Bindi Baji wrote:The warriors are one of the few kits with nothing being changed

Bindi Baji;896128 wrote:I was going to go through the re- opening points that MCC brought us from beasts of war, but got bored halfway through

We hear they are getting a reboot on the scale to rival the Dark Eldar!

that sounds like an exaggeration, probably because it is

Spyders have been redone

This is a "surprise" in the same way that white paint being.............white is, especially so seeing as I mentioned a plastic tomb spyder well over a year ago

The feel of the range has been re-skinned to make it less ‘Terminator’

yes, instead the army will be loosely based upon robotic liverpudlians with curly hair and 'taches

How sure are you about that? [speaking about the warrior kit not changing]

^^^^^-calm down, he wasn't talking about liverpudlian necrons

as sure as I can be,
apparently another rumour-monger on 'seer has corroborated this since I originally stated it a few months back but I couldn't tell you who

Bindi Baji wrote:destroyers are being redone,
everything else should be safe though [speaking about the battleforce content]

Bindi Baji wrote:immortals are being done, I would imagine they will be plastic but don't know for definate, same with flayed ones

Bindi Baji wrote:the fluffy stuffy is not an issue,
they are past the point where fluffyness would be an issue,
unless we're talking fluffy pillows after a hard days work designing necrony things

Bindi Baji wrote:cough, cough, cough, cough(september-ish)cough

Bindi Baji wrote:Bearing in mind that I seem to be perpetually two months out it would probably be a safer bet [about November being more likely]

There you have it, more rumor fuel.

Damn, excuse my noobishness, but, well, I'm a noob, who's Bindi?

Ascalam wrote:true, but they're not melta resistant on the outside...

I've been in plenty of situations where the other player has blocked a gap between buildings with a pod, and left the hatches up on that side (placing it so they can't unfold)

I don't meant to derail the thread but I saw this and just wanted to clarify, those opponents have been abusing the Drop Pod model against you. Once a Drop Pod lands the hatches are blown open and cannot be resealed. In the context of the game, the "petals" actually don't even count as part of the model, they are purely decoration.

Apologies for the small bit of off topic discussion, just wanted to clarify a rule

All this news is really tempting me to buy the Necron battleforce.

Portaljacker wrote:All this news is really tempting me to buy the Necron battleforce.

HBMC Made a really good point earlier in this thread, about GW doing away with Hybrid Kits. I could see a New Destroyer/Hvy D Kit down the way.

Wait, how is that an answer to my post?

My only complaint so far is that whole might get psychic abilities thing. it makes no sense fluff wise, psychic power emanates from the warp, the necrons have no warp presence whatsoever and are a antithesis to it. other than that it will probably be WBB as feel no pain, with modifications with rez orb. While i am not a big fan of new models i will give them a shot, though that may be because i have 2750 points worth of warriors, immortals, scarabs, and destroyers. maybe if the new vehicle concept is cool i might get it but then i would be predictable.

I hope we don't get streamlined too much. No necron Rhinos transporting necron sarges with gauss-fists please. If we do get to upgrade units it should be for every model, like grenades, or IG vet doctrines. I really don't want to see an Immortal leading warriors or one warrior carrying a gauss special weapon.

I'm worried about not being able to use the old models I'd be buying now.

sworth9411 wrote:Multiple Rod Colors (I.E. We wont be stuck with just green anymore)

Multiple rod colours? I doubt it. And what colours can they do besides green anyway; red and its tertairy colours (yellow, purple, etc.) just looks too daemonic to suit an undead host, bright blue just looks too 'good' or benign, but dark blue or an inky, textured black... With a suitable change in the modelling structure and a different paintjob (maybe with a brooding night lords like blue blended into a dark iron), it could look good with the theme of a horde of dark, mindless entities crawling out of depths of the abyss... (necron abyss, anyone? )

But overall the general aesthetic of the Necrons is of 'dark energy' much like the new mandrakes. Unless their aesthetic is changed for different factions or phalanxs, (like chaos space marines - word bearers compared to emperor's children, death guard, night lords, etc.) according to the C'tan they serve, I can't see gauss weapons being anything besides green.

sworth9411 wrote:Monolith has some major changes the likes we haven't seen in any kit GW has ever produced. Multiple weapon options, and apparently there were talks of putting an LED kit to go into the center...We shall see if this comes to fruition as this seemed very doubtful to me, but again maybe this is a new direction for them.

Firstly an LED light would be expensive to mass produce (at least at first), secondly GW specialises in materials for modelling (plastic, metal, plastic glue). The paints and tools themselves are made by Citadel (at least I'm pretty shure; it doesn't mention GW on the packaging and descriptions) and also the super glue. Also, an LED light would be easily damaged or ruined with the paints and glue (anyone can visualise it, a kid gets a Monolith and puts paint on the light, not putting it on after he paints the rest of the model or the paint or glue clogs up the light switch or short circuits the wires). I think GW would leave lights for vehicles as something for hobbyists to do themselves instead of supplying them...

Portaljacker wrote:Wait, how is that an answer to my post?

Erhm, Because the Battleforce has 3 destroyers in it. You could wait, and see if the Destroyers get their own kit, and just purchase the warriors instead.

Multiple rod colours available at extra cost from Mail Order? - maybe. For free in every necron box? - I doubt it.