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@ Melissa: Is it just the gundams or do you dislike any that are man looking? Like what about this?

That one looks even WORSE than the one I posted.

It looks like it's gonna sit down and have a tea party and talk about how the other mecha look so fabulous.

i prefer chunkier clunkier mecha if it comes down to it...

Melissia wrote:


What I dislike is the stereotypical gundam design.

That's NOT a stereotypical Gundam design. That's a Katoki Design. Katoki likes overly decorative mechs and hard angles. You want better suits, stick with Universal Century, which is the only set of GOOD Gundam series.

This is the typical design, designed by the original creators of the series.

Platuan4th wrote:

That's not what I think of when I think of Gundam, because that's not what's advertised or what's posted about by gundam fans regularly

And even then, I still think that thing is hideous.

Melissia wrote:That one looks even WORSE than the one I posted.

It looks like it's gonna sit down and have a tea party and talk about how the other mecha look so fabulous.

Oh well, to each their own. Personally I think this looks pretty bad:



It isn't fabulous but it looks like it was designed by a four year old. The only thing it is missing is an engraving of Derp.

Melissia wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

That's not what I think of when I think of Gundam, because that's not what's advertised or what's posted about by gundam fans regularly

And even then, I still think that thing is hideous.

It should be, considering that's the suit that started it all in the 70's. It's not what's advertised by newer fans that started with that crappy series Wing. It's basically the FF7 of the franchise(in that it's a crappy wannabe remake of an earlier version).

Give me a raven, timberwolf or bishamon instead...

Was never a fan of the Raven, TBH. Looks like the skinny nerdy Mech that's pushed around on the Mech playground during Mech recess.

Melissia wrote:Give me a raven, timberwolf or bishamon instead...

True. You picking up the 25th Anniversary edition of the Battletech classic game? There is a thread about it somewhere on the forums.

Bakerofish wrote:i prefer chunkier clunkier mecha if it comes down to it...

Agreed, if I had to choose a walker, itd be one that looks like it was carved from concrete. Frontmission was a bad ass couple games ya?

But in saying that, Im a tank guy all the way. Im sorry, they have proven their role on the battle field, and would just CRUSH a walker style. One hit, even if it didnt penetrate, would knock down a walker, or at least stagger it (it would have to have some incredible stabilizers to pull that off) which would give the tank ANOTHER go at hitting it. Not to mention walkers are TALL as feth!

The day of the tank is over, much as i like them.
They are too easily destroyed by an infantryman with an RPG, by aircraft, or by long range guided missile strikes.

Everything is easily destroyed by long range strike missiles, thats not a real good counter point Thatd be like saying well Thunderwolf calvery suck because the Nightbringer beats their faces in.


But you might have a point. Airstrikes and such are far more deadly and effective then a tank. But I still love ma tanks

Platuan4th wrote:Was never a fan of the Raven, TBH. Looks like the skinny nerdy Mech that's pushed around on the Mech playground during Mech recess.

That might be why I like it so much, heh.

Being a consumate nerd and all.

If I remember correctly, I believe I beat MW2 Mercenaries piloting one in most of the missions unless I HAD to pilot something else.


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Lord Scythican wrote:

Melissia wrote:Give me a raven, timberwolf or bishamon instead...

True. You picking up the 25th Anniversary edition of the Battletech classic game? There is a thread about it somewhere on the forums.

I wish I had the money...

@KC
front mission was the only mecha anything i liked. i liked how it was easier to suspend disbelief with the wanzer designs and actually made the wanzers and their purpose halfway plausible

but then again with one good shot from a character on foot and you could get ejected from your wanzer

wtf?

By raven are we talking about Armored Core now? I thought we were still on about FrontMission.

KingCracker wrote:By raven are we talking about Armored Core now? I thought we were still on about FrontMission.

No.

raven Battletech...weedy emeff

Melissia wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

True. You picking up the 25th Anniversary edition of the Battletech classic game? There is a thread about it somewhere on the forums.

I wish I had the money...

I think it is going to be like $40.00 to $50.00. 24 models, 2 premium models, cardboard terrain, rulebooks. It is going to be a good deal even if it has some of those derp suits.

A Raven has to dance around its opponents, using its ECM suite, avionics, and speed to its advantage and using the terrain to benefit it.

AAAAAAAAAAAaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh battletech........gotcha.


Well speaking of Armored Core, my chosen suit was a small, light armored and incredibly fast suit. The fire power wouldnt blow up a planet, but it was so damn quick it didnt have to be. I could zoom in and do fast strikes, dodge/duck/dip/dive/dodge and get out just to repeat it all over again. When it comes to warfare, Im a fan of the fast and effective over the slow and holy crap NUUUUUUKE!!!!!!! power

Have to say that whenever I was playing mech games I loved to mount up on the heaviest direct fire artilery piece I could get and slowly stomp around the level blasting things in a single shot

Failing that I take something fast with short range rocket pods and just shotgun stuff from point blank with explody death.

I love multiple launch rocket pods - nothing like obscuring half a city in exhaust and destroying the other half with explody doom.

I tended to field a balanced AC myself. I hate the speed (or lack thereof) of the heavy ones, but I can't dodge very well with the controls of the AC games I've played, especially since a lot of missions are in thin corridors anyway. So a medium reverse leg walker AC with missile on one shoulder, radar on another, and a rifle and energy shield were what I usually used.

OK so we're not talking real world, we're talking a game. Sorry, forget the helicopter reference then.

SilverMK2 wrote:Have to say that whenever I was playing mech games I loved to mount up on the heaviest direct fire artilery piece I could get and slowly stomp around the level blasting things in a single shot

Failing that I take something fast with short range rocket pods and just shotgun stuff from point blank with explody death.

I love multiple launch rocket pods - nothing like obscuring half a city in exhaust and destroying the other half with explody doom.

That was my second fav build as well. Super megatron cannon, anda back FULL of extra ammo. Nothing you couldnt solve with the right amount of BOOM!

Walk stompy and carry a big gun

Frazzled wrote:OK so we're not talking real world, we're talking a game. Sorry, forget the helicopter reference then.

Oh no, we're talking about both.

Mecha IRL aren't realistic yet. We don't have the proper technology for them to keep their balance, nor the power plants it would take to move them without consuming ridiculous amounts of fuel, nor do we necessarily have the capability of moving them as quickly as in the actual series.

Battletech solves these problems with electroactive myomer bundles as substitutes for muscles (thus allowing the central computer of the 'mech to act as a brain, using pure electrical signals to cause the bundles to contract or loosen-- we have electroactive materials right now, but how useful they are for this kind of purpose I don't know), a complicated gyro system which takes up a good part of the central interior of a mech's chassis, and fusion power plants which require an immense amount of shielding and incredibly efficient heat sinks because they produce a lot of heat.

It's just futuristic enough to be believable to me, and it's possible that we might eventually see something like it. But maybe not.

nah the biggest problem with mechs isnt keeping their balance

heck, weve been walking for years and we still goof

the problem with a mecha is if its big enough to replace a tank in the battle field, if it falls over physics dictates that itll be damaging itself significantly...unless the armor was flexible which defeats the idea of a mech in the first place

kinda stupid having a weapon that can destroy itself when it trips on a rock

Melissia wrote:

Frazzled wrote:OK so we're not talking real world, we're talking a game. Sorry, forget the helicopter reference then.

Oh no, we're talking about both.

Mecha IRL aren't realistic yet. We don't have the proper technology for them to keep their balance, nor the power plants it would take to move them without consuming ridiculous amounts of fuel, nor do we necessarily have the capability of moving them as quickly as in the actual series.

Battletech solves these problems with electroactive myomer bundles as substitutes for muscles (thus allowing the central computer of the 'mech to act as a brain, using pure electrical signals to cause the bundles to contract or loosen-- we have electroactive materials right now, but how useful they are for this kind of purpose I don't know), a complicated gyro system which takes up a good part of the central interior of a mech's chassis, and fusion power plants which require an immense amount of shielding and incredibly efficient heat sinks because they produce a lot of heat.

It's just futuristic enough to be believable to me, and it's possible that we might eventually see something like it. But maybe not.

Don't confuse the two. In the real world anything you can see you can kill, and that from a long range off. Mecha have an inherent disadvantage in that they can literally stand out and are thus targets for everyone. Tanks are better in that regard but, as noted, technology is such that its not circa 1940 but more like 1945. Every trooper can blow the crap out of something or call i fire to kill it from miles away.

The guy with a scope and radio (or the guy looking through a drone camera) is eminently more dangerous than any big walking hunk of metal.

Bakerofish wrote:nah the biggest problem with mechs isnt keeping their balance

heck, weve been walking for years and we still goof

... you reaaaaally don't know anything about biology, do you?

Our body has a complicated and easily damaged system for keeping balance.