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It a neat list and thematic as well. It probably will struggle, but I dont think you designed it to be an all-comers win every game list. Just make sure you know before hand what your target priorities should be.
Also...
I don't know where all of the people being dicks to you in this thread play at, but at my store it's a pretty safe bet that someone looking for a game will play a game with pretty much anyone's lists, as long as the guy playing it isn't a jerkwad.
(Hint: Making this list doesn't make you a jerkwad.)
Seriously...just some snippets of the assholery that's been directed at you for putting up a list of 40k space monkeys..it's either been rude drama queen crap or has no contribution to your thread whatsoever.
This is the cancer thats killing 40k
Good thought. Now not only will you be kicked out of friendly games for having such a stupid army list, but you will be refused from entering any tournament due to complete lack of WYSIWYG. I like it! Definitely keep making this army, and see how many games you manage to actually play! My prediction is zero!
It's lists like this that really make me despise Matt Ward
Why do people insist on doing these boring lists?
Its not like we havent seen the possibility our selves in the codex.
Its a no brainer to build, not like its something "WOW why didnt I think of that????"
Well to answer my last sentence... why I didnt think of making one my self is because I dont want to wate money, time and friends on this silly list.
ph34r's First post was borderline helpful, as it simply explained why he wouldn't build a list like this, so it wasn't included above. In his second post he was either being sarcastic or simply an ass. Either way it wasn't needed.
Seriously though?
If a friend is going to bail out on being your friend because of your space monkey spam, he wasn't a friend in the first place. If he's going to whine about your list and refuse to play you , he probably wouldnt have been any fun to play anyways. And Vash's rant about your list being a waste of money, friends and time is pretty silly too. How is building 1 kit of spacemans or space elfs any less of a waste of time or money than building a kit of space apes? But to all of the posters quoted above, why even come into someone army list thread and just throw meaningless crap at them that doesn't add anything to the conversation? All it does is show us a sneak peek at your estrogen levels when riled up by Matt Ward and his Shiny Marines.
I finished painting the Kroot Weaponsmith, I'll make 10 more and an Inquisitor Krooteaz model and try the list out at 485 points to see whether it will be viable or not, but it already passes the appearance test for me. Now I just need to figure out how to model 2+ armor on a Kroot...
Thunderfrog wrote:If a friend is going to bail out on being your friend because of your space monkey spam, he wasn't a friend in the first place. If he's going to whine about your list and refuse to play you , he probably wouldnt have been any fun to play anyways. And Vash's rant about your list being a waste of money, friends and time is pretty silly too. How is building 1 kit of spacemans or space elfs any less of a waste of time or money than building a kit of space apes? But to all of the posters quoted above, why even come into someone army list thread and just throw meaningless crap at them that doesn't add anything to the conversation? All it does is show us a sneak peek at your estrogen levels when riled up by Matt Ward and his Shiny Marines.
/rant
No tournament will ever allow this army, let alone this proxy.
No friendly game will ever allow this army, let alone this proxy.
If you can't see how making a list will never get played is a waste of time, you should work on some critical thinking skills.
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When the history of my glory is written, your species shall only be a footnote to my magnificence.
No tournament will ever allow this army, let alone this proxy.
No friendly game will ever allow this army, let alone this proxy.
Why not? I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with either? People do counts as armies all the time (I've a friend who took a pre hersey World Eaters army using the BA book to a tourney). Looking at his list and his army it would be easy to work out what is what and what is equipped with what. Likewise why would anyone not let a perfectly legal army play? If he was taking more than 6 troops choices then that would be an issue or if he was relying on some qwerk of RaW to make his army work then you;d have a point. But he's not so you don't.
Fetterkey wrote:This army is a fun novelty, but you will automatically lose versus many common builds. A single unit of Scout Bikers will take out a third of your army reliably and seriously threaten the remainder. Scouting Interceptors will be similarly threatening. Dark Eldar will laugh and kill you with no losses. Ultimately, an army that relies on 50 T3 5+ models on foot will not be particularly competitive. Keep in mind that using mass Jokaero also makes their special abilities worthless. Jokaero aren't for making full units of their own, they're for supporting other elements of the army.
As usual it depends on who gets the first turn. Showing a decent build.
Yet to read new codex but seems fun now with lists like this appearing.
How is this list fun?
Its not fun to play nor face really.
Lets see the tactics available. Hmm stand and shoot, basically lascannons all day. Lets see if I can do a tactical move... not, lets stay here and shoot some more. Lets see what kind of variation of troops and weapons we will use... no lets stick to the lascannon, unless a random tank would be brave enough to get within 12" letting us use Multi-melta...
For me a game is fun when I have a variation of options in each game.
This list is not really bad, nor is it really good.
In a shoot out with no terrain this list is good, when coming to mobility this list would not be anything to be afraid of. Meaning objective games would not favor this list really. One could say, if the enemy goes for the objectives, all the lascannons would deal with it... but have anyone considered terrain?
This said, with tactical move, small units of close combat units could make their way to their lines.
There are entirely too many people in this thread that take 40k a little too serious, I'd have no problem playing against this list in a friendly game. For as long as I've been playing 40k I've never seen a single person get refused a friendly game at a store over there list.
ironicsilence wrote:There are entirely too many people in this thread that take 40k a little too serious, I'd have no problem playing against this list in a friendly game. For as long as I've been playing 40k I've never seen a single person get refused a friendly game at a store over there list.
For as long as I've been playing 40k, I have never seen a single person bring a list, consisting of a single broken overpowered model.
I would hazard a guess that the OP picked the unit not for fun reasons, but that its a 35pt scoring oblit with extended range x 50. You people would actually play against this cancer in a fun game? Would be the the most slowed game of 40k ever. Might as well let the OP slap you in the nuts and call it a day.
For as long as I've been playing 40k, I have never seen a single person bring a list, consisting of a single broken overpowered model.
I would hazard a guess that the OP picked the unit not for fun reasons, but that its a 35pt scoring oblit with extended range x 50. You people would actually play against this cancer in a fun game? Would be the the most slowed game of 40k ever. Might as well let the OP slap you in the nuts and call it a day.
I'd play against this list and feel bad at how much I'm going to stomp the Jokaero. Seriously, it's not a difficult list to beat for many armies. Against some armies it will be highly effective, but not most.
It's (in my opinion) funny as hell. 50 space monkeys? Awesome!
It's not particularly good either. As a Guard player I know that relying on the shooting from T3 5+ models doesn't work.
I, for one, would be fine to play against this list. It's not even remotely scary or "OP".
Everything you say here is entirely true, except for the "original" part. Seems like half the potential list ideas circulating around are based on space monkey spam, and its surprising how many people feel the need to post it up to attempt to enlarge their internet ego.
But yeah, to the OP, the list isnt really that good. Seriously. Manticores rape you. Any horde rapes you. 50 lascannons is awesome and all, until you realize they're stuck to t3 bs3 models. Try again.
"Dire Avengers are even great in close combat, I mean, an Exarch with a Diresword can even take down a Carnifex!!"
Here is a revamped list that I will start testing out at the 500 point game level once I have the models built.
Coteaz
100 points
2 Jokaero
1 Servitor with Heavy Bolter
80 points
2 Jokaero
1 Servitor with Heavy Bolter
80 points
2 Jokaero
1 Servitor with Heavy Bolter
80 points
2 Jokaero
1 Servitor with Heavy Bolter
80 points
2 Jokaero
1 Servitor with Heavy Bolter
80 points
Total: 500 points
EDIT: Just thought about the rule that servitors shut down the unit if they don't have an inquisitor, so this list is terrible. Rather, Coteaz would lead the 5 servitors, and I would probably have two units of 5 Jokaero each. Much better.
I'll be able to see how minimum-sized squads do and whether they need to be condensed for survivability. It would be nice, though, to be able to run a unit or two around for objective claiming without sacrificing all the firepower that turn. The list can then be expanded to 750, 1000 and 1500 points from there. I like the 1500 point version of Coteaz and 40 Jokaero better than the 1850 point list, as there would probably be less priority units in the enemy army to eliminate immediately that would give this army trouble.
As for some of these comments, I've been on Dakka long enough to ignore them. When I saw that one of the most vocal opponents of using proxies in this thread has, as his top gallery image, a Cryx model that he counts as a primaris psyker, I no longer took his opinion seriously. I think everyone was just overreacting at the 1850 point list idea, I should have started at a lower points level and gone from there. I still think there will be many Henchmen-spam Grey Knights armies hitting the battlefields soon, this is just one of them taken to the extreme, and, as many have pointed out, becomes less competitive when you remove variety.
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Oaka wrote:
EDIT: Just thought about the rule that servitors shut down the unit if they don't have an inquisitor, so this list is terrible. Rather, Coteaz would lead the 5 servitors, and I would probably have two units of 5 Jokaero each. Much better.
Except that you can still only have 3 gun servitors per unit. Storm bolter acolytes aren't bad for dakka though.
I was so astonished by the attitute of ph34r and Vash it even forced me to register.
How is it going? Have you tested 500pts list of jokaero? How is painting going?
1. Concerning "count as" problem: apparently you guys have never participated in European Single or Team championships and inhabit quite ill-disposed habitat.
Just look at these armies:
Clayman as Shaggoth and Giant as Hellcannon:
Spiders as Fiends, Blight Drones as Soul Grinders and Great Unclean Ones as bloodcrushers respectively:
This is what I have pictures of. I have seen everything starting from loyalist marines played as CSM and Imperial Guard played as Tau to complete deviances.
You forget first and main rules of the warhammer: HAVE FUN.
How come half-a-hundred of space monkeys is worse than one-hundred-straight standing and shooting imperial guard soldiers concerning Vash insults of being tacticaly crippled?
Or "stand and shoot" Tau list aren't as straight-forward?
Or may be "Obli-Lash" of CSM provides much more options of what to do?
Jokaero have both Longrange/Anti-vehicle weapons and close-quarters crowd-control tools.
Combining with outflank/deepstrike protection from Coteaz ability, I see very good stand-and-shoot list obviously losing only to 45 Lootas of orcs and some rosters of Imperial Guard.
For the OP I would recommend to add 2-3 Crusaders (you can make them as Kroot/Apes with shields). This will only take 5 Jokaero from you but will provide VERY solid protection both from heavy weapons (due to 3++ save) and some protection from "bucketful of dices" attacks.
The list I am working on now includes Coteaz, 4 squads of 9 jokaero and 3 crusaders, 1 squad of 9 jokaero and 2 crusaders. Two squads have Chimera with Multilaser and hull-Heavy Flamer. They really help to create cover "out of nowhere", redeploy endangered units versus Daemons and other melee armies, and help against fragile transports like venoms, raiders.
I just don't understand, why in the world-wide environment where every second army is space marines variats, such an extraordinary list caused such a splash of indignation.
Jokaero race is much older than many of the present. It was mentioned in Rogue Trader background, even has miniatures from the past. It deserved to have an option to be fielded an masse at last, after long decades of background lurking.
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I dont see why anyone has a problem. They are space monkeys. SPACE. MONKEYS. They dont have to make sense. They are space monkeys. Space monkeys fly around and zap baddies with their amazing arm cannons. Lighting thought, make one an astro boy...but a monkey. Anyway as I was saying, SPACE MONKEYS. And maybe do one squad up as cosmonaut chimps....but no suit, just the helmet and some bigass arm canon. Also, coteaz should be a monkey, and instead of a hammer he should be holding a bone above his head, space odyssey style...I think that'd be awesome.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and since this seems to be part of the discussion, hell yeah I'd play this, even though I would probably lose, its too good a chance to see my guardsmen pulled down by hordes of shrieking monkeys with laser arms
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