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Nightbringa baby.

People need to quit voting for Deceiver when they've never played Necrons or ever played against him...that's the only reason I can imagine for him winning this poll. :(

good for differnt things

Uber: With the way things are changing, im even thinking about Big D now since night tends to die in combat too much.

Unless they are low S, he gets stuck in a tarpit, which he isnt fast enough to get away from.
Also, if he sits back in the lith castle you have the most expensive model in the cron army as a guard, something 10 flayed can do.

Also, new GK's will slaughter him in CC.
Atleast with deciever you can run off again. (keep in mind it can only be done in the other players turn) So make sure they assault you. (if not, your going a round with them 1st)

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Jone96 wrote:So what can deceiver do that nightbringer cant?

The Deceiver can't get caught up by suicidal squads of Guardsmen assaulting him to keep him tied up and away from the tanks.
And he can slingshot around the board. Your turn, assault a unit, hack at it a bit. His turn, run away 2d6". Your turn, assault another unit. Repeat as necessary.

Pft, so use the nightbringer to blow the lowly str 3 guardsmen away and move on.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Also, new GK's will slaughter him in CC.

most GK are Str4 so they cant wound C'tan without a psykic power. They can only cast one psykic power a turn so they then cannot activate their force weapons. Its still a huge risk, as any squad with an IC could do it, or some models are Str5 or more, demon hammers or what not but the fact remains that not every model in GK can instant kill a C'tan.

DE posion is a bit more effective, as it can be done at range and 10 warriors rapid firing has a credible shot to take them down in one round. 20 warriors much better chance. 3 venoms, also very good chance, much longer range.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Uber: With the way things are changing, im even thinking about Big D now since night tends to die in combat too much.

Unless they are low S, he gets stuck in a tarpit, which he isnt fast enough to get away from.
Also, if he sits back in the lith castle you have the most expensive model in the cron army as a guard, something 10 flayed can do.

Also, new GK's will slaughter him in CC.
Atleast with deciever you can run off again. (keep in mind it can only be done in the other players turn) So make sure they assault you. (if not, your going a round with them 1st)

I don't think many people use the nightbringer to his full extent, honestly. I think a lot of people forget that his template CC attack ignores armor saves (and thus FNP) and instead just try to get his standard 5 attacks in. Of which one or two are bound to miss. Sure if you're in CC with only 2 guys or whatever it makes more sense, but if you're getting mobbed then use the template attack and be done with the clowns.

demon hammers or what not but the fact remains that not every model in GK can instant kill a C'tan.

Doesent need every model to be able to do so.
Problem remains that he is at alot of risk due to being too slow and being pinned into drawn out assaults.
Also, keep in mind that things like dreadknights will be a pain in the arse too. (teleknights moreso)

and FWiW, keep in mind nightbringer has a pretty basic initiative, so will allways be striking at the same time, or last.
Deciever may only be 1 better, but thats enough to ensure it in most cases.


Also, DE are really bad news for him.
10 warriors (one with Scannon) will hurt.
24 shots.
16 hits.
8 wounds.
4 failed saves.


Thats a cheap and cheerful unit.
As you said, a twin Scannon venom is bad news.





Edit:

Kevin, we all know that attack is there.
It does not help though that he is dead before he can use it.

Keep in mind most armies will pack basic small arms as standard.
They will then bring weapons for basic transports (plas, assaultC, autoC etc etc)
Then they bring in the heavies (las, melta, rail etc etc)

Guess what?
You dont have low AV vehicles in a crons army, so if it cant hurt a lith, it will be launched at him instead.
Which really does lessen his life expectancy.

I'm not saying that YOU in the thread don't know it's there, I just think that while actually playing a game some people do forget about it or are drawn to the lure of the Str 10 armor/invul ignoring CC attacks.

Honestly, I've only ever had my nightbringer die once (to black templar assault terminators I believe) and even then he did massive damage to their army before he died and took out all but one or two terminators (or it was 1 termy and some special character in termy armor) in CC and for the explosion. So, he did his job if you ask me.

Heck, I just played a 4 man (2 team) 2000 point apoc game over the weekend. I had 12 units total in my army (3 liths, 7 wraiths, 1 lord, 1 nightbringer) against SM and CSM and didn't lose a single model (never even took a wound) for the three rounds we got to play anyway.

No, he wasn't the only big target on the board but he certainly wasn't a non-threat. Just saying it's all subjective and it depends on what is actually going on all around. Like with that game, I made very sure that none of the heavy weapons could draw LOS to the nightbringer and were forced to shoot through the phalanx nightshroud if they wanted to hit him or anything else anyway.

Can everyone agree with me on this, that the C'tan in the new Necron codex should move as jetbikes? I mean they are GODS, they already float, and they just choose to float slowly towards the enemy? That sounds like crap to me.

That would be too much. 18" threat range on assault with no regard to terrain? No way. What would be nice is if they had fleet and Eternal Warrior. Yes I know that fleet gives them the potential for that 18" assault threat range, but it's only potential and not an "always".

Kevin949 wrote:That would be too much. 18" threat range on assault with no regard to terrain? No way. What would be nice is if they had fleet and Eternal Warrior. Yes I know that fleet gives them the potential for that 18" assault threat range, but it's only potential and not an "always".

a lot of older models with high T dont have EW but should. In older editions it seems there was less stuff that caused ID that wasnt double strength. Look at the nids codex.

I could almost see moving as jump infantry on the Nightbringer minus the deepstriking...he is a 360 point model after all. No way could I see moving as a jetbike. Turbo-boosting C'tan anyone?

Matt Ward writes next Necron codex. He changes nothing about the army list, but makes C'tan so powerful they can beat 2000 points by themselves.


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Matt Ward writes next Necron codex. He changes nothing about the army list, but makes C'tan so powerful they can beat 2000 points by themselves.

Rumors state them being taken out
However, im awaiting that to be said by someone with some weight behind thier comments.

as of now, its just a rumor.




all in all though, i dont have a problem with thier movement.
To make them faster would hike thier price up even more.
Thier stats and rules are about right for the points they are now, but im still not sure why nightbringer costs more than deciever (extra stats i know, but D's rules make him alot better)