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Lord_Osma wrote:I actually don't have enough proper troops to do a DOA army.
I play mech BA mostly and am only staring to accumulate DOA units.

How does Mephiston dead with liths?

You mean how does he deal with Liths? He casts Sanguine Sword and becomes strength 10 then charges a Monolith (going preferred enemy with Unleash Rage for more hits as well)... he'll probably kill it.

Caffran9 wrote:

Lord_Osma wrote:I actually don't have enough proper troops to do a DOA army.
I play mech BA mostly and am only staring to accumulate DOA units.

How does Mephiston dead with liths?

You mean how does he deal with Liths? He casts Sanguine Sword and becomes strength 10 then charges a Monolith (going preferred enemy with Unleash Rage for more hits as well)... he'll probably kill it.

At that point though he is using a psyker power to augment his str., which the Living Metal rule says cannot happen. You get unaugmented str. and a D6 to pen.

I do not have the wording of Sanguine Sword on me, but I believe it is similar to Power Fists which strike at S 8 against Monoliths...

you get augemented strengh etc.

its only ever ONE d6 to pen.

Lord_Osma wrote:
TROOPS
Death company 335
10 DC Marines
5 Power Weapons
Rhino w/storm bolter/extra armour

DC Dread w/ Blood Talons 125

As others have stated, 'crons are bad in HTH. As in, you'd do okay with generic Assault Marines before FNP and FC (Priest).

The blood talons will make him cry, much like Meph, because you will basically be feeding his warriors into a meat grinder. Take as many Furiosos and DC dreads as you have models for, and if possible, drop pod them into his lines. A pair of blood talons poised to wipe a warrior squad with no chance at WBB will become a BIG issue that he has to deal with immediately. Don't forget to pop smoke so you don't get shot to pieces right after you land. I suppose you could use that shiny Stormraven and fly it in, alternatively.

Have you thought about more DC? I think this would be the perfect opportunity for a DC deathstar unit: as many BP/CCW DC as you can, with Jump Packs, led by a Chaplain/Reclusiarch (if you don't have an HQ slot, look in your elites). I really doubt you need the power weapons, as you'll be surprised how much damage DC do with BP/CCW, especially with rerolls from the chappy.

Combine the two and hilarity ensues: either he tries to wither the DC before they rocketeer their way across the board while your dreads wipe entire warrior squads, or he enjoys the minor victory of disabling a dread before the DC hit him like a mack truck. Bonus points for this victory because of how underrated DC are. I think the only thing funnier than beating him over the head with Meph is taking Meph, and beating him over the head with all the other stuff in your list instead.

Unless he's absurdly good with Necrons, BA should wipe the floor with them at every opportunity.

Praxiss wrote:take mephiston, then take pics of this nasty opponent crying as a single model rips his entire army to shreds.

Just to rub it in, send in mephiston and keep the rest of your assault based army at the back of the board in a gun-line. Try and model a dreadnought waving.

Funny enough when I was playing with blood angels that is exactly what I ended up doing , he also had a 6 man jetpack death company squad armed with power swords with a chaplain... turns out the rest of the army just fired their guns and drive around... here was the list.

2500 "They see me Roll'n"
HQ:
Dante: <Sometimes starts with death company so they can drop and not scatter, otherwise pinpoint melta>
Mephiston: <GTA a razorback or just hides behind the LOS moving boxes>
Troop:
6 Man Death Company: 5 Power swords, 1 Powerfist. <Lead by Chaplin: Meltabomb>
1 Death Company Dreadnaught: Blood Claws, meltagun, heavy flamer, magna grapple. <In a dropbox>
3 Razorbacks with TL-Assault Cannons, Scoring upgrade (5 assault marines), Dozer Blades
Fast Attack:
3 Baal predator with TL-Assault Cannons and Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Dozer Blades
Heavy Support:
3 Vindicators: Dozer Blades

May change around my DC equipment before tomorrow. I would love to drop the dc dread in a drop pod, but I don't own one yet and I can't buy one till right before the game.

Don't kn ow how I missed Mephiston having sword as a power...I had always thought he had SOS....my bad. Guess I may have to run him at a lith if he gets the chance.

I'll make sure to post how the game goes, may even try and do a battle report.

Try to kill them in cc make them phase out like everyone has says lol

Lol no one wants to play him beacuse hes a tool?....... If he isnt max spamming jetbikes with a nightbringer I just cant picture him doing much to a mech army besides immobilse rhinos.......

As a necron player, with the current rules, I would never field one, Monolith, much less 2.

As a cron player, playing against BA, I don't think there is a winning option, until the new Codex. We are very underpowered. I want to say, if this was me playing, I would take a couple large swarms of Scarabs to tar pit you as much as possible, I would have a lord with veil, warscythe and res orb, second lord with res orb standing between 2 20 man warrior squads. With my army (What I have), I would field both my tomb spiders (just for MC) and as many destroyers and heavy destroyers as possible. We have no CC. You get to CC, we phase. Pretty simple, but I would play to tar pit you. I play foot slogger Necrons, and hope that the rapid fire does it's job.

I guess as I read this I am not adding a lot, but in 2K points, the liths are a waste in the opinion of this one player.


jonnyb

Rapid Fire won't stop much of anything. There is a reason most builds you see on Dakka are Max Destroyers or Max Wraiths with Max Monoliths, or Max Scarabs with Max Spyders. Warriors are so bad, you never take more than the bare minimum you feel you need to avoid phaseout with your skills. And you should always try for just 20.

Monoliths are important to soak fire, block LOS/Charges, and zone the opponent away with their templates. Also the only template of any kind we get, so the only way to prevent bunching up.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Mephiston

GG

This.

Mephiston is the best tool in your entire codex for dealing with Necrons of any kind - warriors to Monoliths.

Praxiss wrote:take mephiston, then take pics of this nasty opponent crying as a single model rips his entire army to shreds.

Just to rub it in, send in mephiston and keep the rest of your assault based army at the back of the board in a gun-line. Try and model a dreadnought waving.

Right. Because this will make for a really fun game. Way to ruin 40k and exploit a Codex that's two editions behind, guys. This really disgusts me.

The Grog wrote:Rapid Fire won't stop much of anything. There is a reason most builds you see on Dakka are Max Destroyers or Max Wraiths with Max Monoliths, or Max Scarabs with Max Spyders. Warriors are so bad, you never take more than the bare minimum you feel you need to avoid phaseout with your skills. And you should always try for just 20.

Monoliths are important to soak fire, block LOS/Charges, and zone the opponent away with their templates. Also the only template of any kind we get, so the only way to prevent bunching up.

But, that doesn't work, since all people do is ignore the Lith anyhow. So, like I said, I would play something unconventional and learn from that, instead of just playing the "approved" list that will be insta slaughtered anyhow.

I still believe that warrior spam has it's place.

Belerephon wrote:Right. Because this will make for a really fun game. Way to ruin 40k and exploit a Codex that's two editions behind, guys. This really disgusts me.

I'm not sure if you read the OP or not, so I quoted it below with the relevant sections highlighted.

Lord_Osma wrote:Hey Dakka,

I am playing a 2k kill points game against a Necron army on Friday and I have no idea what units to bring.


I know he will be using 2 Monoliths against me.

Can I get some recommendations on what units to bring? What are most helpful units and some anti-Necron tactics?

Guy I'm playing is kind of a tool and lots of people won't even play him so I'd really like to beat him.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a proponent of ROFLSTOMP lists, but the OP was very clear about what he wanted: a BA list that would win handily against a TFG-Necron list.

He's not looking for a friendly game. He's not looking for a competitive game. He wants to beat Necrons. The comments on this thread are written to give him the best tools to achieve that goal. Mephiston is one of those "best tools".

Your condescension is misdirected.

tavoittamaton:

Yeah, this is true. But even if this guy is a toolbag, I still think this is lame. I'd rather see more sound tactical advice than a broken codex entry exploit. Should have made that more clear.

Several people have stated blood lance as an effective ant-Monilith tool. They are wrong because moniliths ignore the lance rule. Also I don't think you can instant kill C'Tan, some one mentioned that you look in the C'tan section there is a summary of rules before the sections for Nightbringer and Deciever which says they ignore instant death. Even uses an Eldar Wraith cannon of all things as an example i think. Honestly the necron codex is out dated and was beaten with a 5th edition 100 pound nerf bat. With a fast assualt army you have every advantage over necrons, just remember with mephy, the most commen mistake made is what he is sent by himself and your oppenent can just focus on him for a turn. Hide him behind something until he is in striking range.

Belerephon wrote:tavoittamaton:

Yeah, this is true. But even if this guy is a toolbag, I still think this is lame. I'd rather see more sound tactical advice than a broken codex entry exploit. Should have made that more clear.

Well I can certainly respect that view. Making Mephiston the focus of the list is sort of like sending Mike Tyson in to handle some 4th grade bullies. Necrons are vulnerable in HTH (sound tactical advice that many of us have pointed out), so you really don't need to send the best HTH unit in the codex at them - mega overkill.

just do what the codex suggests, make out with the necrons.

JonnyB wrote:

The Grog wrote:Rapid Fire won't stop much of anything. There is a reason most builds you see on Dakka are Max Destroyers or Max Wraiths with Max Monoliths, or Max Scarabs with Max Spyders. Warriors are so bad, you never take more than the bare minimum you feel you need to avoid phaseout with your skills. And you should always try for just 20.

Monoliths are important to soak fire, block LOS/Charges, and zone the opponent away with their templates. Also the only template of any kind we get, so the only way to prevent bunching up.

But, that doesn't work, since all people do is ignore the Lith anyhow. So, like I said, I would play something unconventional and learn from that, instead of just playing the "approved" list that will be insta slaughtered anyhow.

I still believe that warrior spam has it's place.

It doesn't matter if they never shoot at a Monolith. They are still taking up space, and still shooting. That's all that is necessary. The lists I spoke of work. Warriors don't.

C'tan are NOT immune to instant death. Back in 3rd they didn't give that rule out to models with a T higher than 6 or so. What they are is immune to instant death *from wraithguns*, as back then wraithguns were the only way to ID a model at T8. Should an entire Necron army shoot Mephiston, it is unlikely they will kill him in one round. Only heavy destroyers punch the 2+, and those just aren't commonly taken. Everything else struggles to just wound him, much less the 2+. 15 Destroyers shoot 45 times, hit 30, 15 wounds, 2 past the save. And that's 750 points shooting at one model. Tack 10 Immortals on and it's over 1000 points, yet (20, 13, 4) you get 3 wounds past the save total. And if he can't muster his *entire army* to shoot at one model due to terrain or deployment he can't stop Mephy.

Your best bet is to team up and take on a Tyranid player. Be fluffy!
lol

Defeatmyarmy wrote:Lol no one wants to play him beacuse hes a tool?....... If he isnt max spamming jetbikes with a nightbringer I just cant picture him doing much to a mech army besides immobilse rhinos.......

Meph is just a Ghazkull but...

+ I7
+ Re-reoll to hit, higher WS (Or is it preferred enemy?)
+ Jump pack
+ Psychic Hood

- No 2+ invulnerable for a game turn
- No Eternal Warrior (As far as I know)
- Does not grant the army a 6" run and gives them Fearless

What I think the Necron player will have to do is take mass jetbikes so he can avoid* assaults and lay down AP 2 fire to whittle down the inevitable Death Company and Mephiston. (Avoid: assault is not guaranteed and fleet has to be used)

Just build your list with this in mind...

What AP 2? Necrons get AP 2 from one place, Heavy Destroyers.

I'm not even sure why this is being discussed. Bring (almost) any legal BA army for 2k points and you should be fine.

Seriously, necrons are that bad.

I play necrons and both players being of equal skill, BA should win 95% of the time.

Rephistorch wrote:I'm not even sure why this is being discussed. Bring (almost) any legal BA army for 2k points and you should be fine.

Seriously, necrons are that bad.

I play necrons and both players being of equal skill, BA should win 95% of the time.

That is exactly what I ineloquently tried to state. That is why I would play some army no one would expect, and just play with strats.

Hmm Ive heard of wraiths being used to set meph up especially with a near by orb and monolith rinse to repeatedly charge the guy. I no longer have my old necron codex but from memory the rule for c'tan says when hit with a weapon that inflicts instant death instead they automatically take 1 wound with no saves the other was just an example.

Have a Hive Fleet show up in the middle of the fight and join forces to see it off. Afterwards, your Blood Angels won't want to fight the filthy Xenos as a matter of honor and the undead robots won't want to fight because they're too tired from fighting.

In all seriousness, as said, just bring the same stuff you'd bring against any other MEq army. Necrons are so bad your list should win the game for you.

Everyone was right. I did win and it was the easiest victory of my time with 40k.

The only models killed were 2 members of my DC and the rhino they were in.

The Necron player blamed it on his deployment, and I then pointed out that I had forgotten my vindicator and was playing 155 points below 2k and that the vindicator is kind of a big deal.

Happy I won, because if I had lost I would have never heard the end. Next I will have top play his Eldar list that he won with at game day because that is his main army.

Thanks for all the advice.


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BTW phased him out on turn 4.

Lord_Osma wrote:Everyone was right. I did win and it was the easiest victory of my time with 40k.

The only models killed were 2 members of my DC and the rhino they were in.

The Necron player blamed it on his deployment, and I then pointed out that I had forgotten my vindicator and was playing 155 points below 2k and that the vindicator is kind of a big deal.

Happy I won, because if I had lost I would have never heard the end. Next I will have top play his Eldar list that he won with at game day because that is his main army.

Thanks for all the advice.


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BTW phased him out on turn 4.

Congratulations - looks like we were right about a T3/T4 phaseout!

Begin Eldar thread?....lol

Lol, I should be okay. WBB just had me concerned I guess. now Eldrad has me concerned.