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Chain fists work well enough in close combat as is treated same as a power fist but a bonus of 2d6 Str for penetration, besides DE dont have great armor. I have no intention of close combating vehicles unless I have to.

I may change up my las cannon and melta choice, but dont see the over kill as I like killing vehicles as a las cannon hits harder and best suited for anti-tank, melta not so much as range is a factor.

I may sound arogant thinking a DE army is all flash, but Chaos are the masters of close combat and I aim to prove it to Dash lol.

After all if I lose the battle I got egg on my face for not listening to all of you. I do appreciate everything you all say, its just that I have a winning list and need to prove that I can do this. Its honour for Khorne if I win or die.

If you're not going to combat vehicles take power fists then

A chain fist is the same as a power fist, atleast thats what my codex tells me with +2d6 on strength for armor penatration.

LordWynne wrote:Look guys Dash is a good friend of mine, I just have not faced his dark eldar yet. This list I have has had great success in the past, I am tired of facing Space Wolfs and Blood Angels. I am not bashing the Dash just want a game in the future with him. I don't care if you bash me, as it makes me laugh if thats the best you can do.

the plan is this:

Termi Lord w/ 10 termies Deep Strike behind the enemy causing confusion.
What. You're wasting your time. There is no 'behind the enemy'. De move too fast, and there's no 'line' to get behind. Also, why even give them chainfists? You can glance them with lightning claws, for feth's sake. This unit is herpderp

Chosen are my Infiltration force to hit hard similar to Alpha Strike.
What? That doesn't make sense. You can't even use "alpha strike" against DE. What are you thinking?
2 CSM w/ rhino rush in to take objectives.
No. This is NOT rhino rush in the least. If dash was even half asleep he would beat you to the objectives and hold them
10 man havoc squad rushes to cover and pops enemy vehicles with support from the 2 predators.
Rushes? What? You can't 'rush' and fire heavy weapons
I dont care about splinter cannons or being out numbered, just a great fight with Dash. There my tactics aand being rude to me or Dash means nothing to me as that is your attitude not mine or his.

I could have used a 5 man Alpha Legion Alternate Squad but thats in the Renagade codex and I dont think its legal. As for my list being illeagal well I got it from the current Chaos Codex with all the fluff thats within. I do not have enough guard to face Dash yet but I am working on it.

But to face Dash 1 on 1 some time in the future would make my day as a 40k player and thanks for the advise and warnings. But my head on approach to facing my enemies has proved fruitful in my past battles. If I lose then I lose and I will hand over a bottle of Capt Morgan to my friend. If I win, well alot of you may be eating crow and I am a very good cook. So to all who have and will post on this thread I thank you, after all its just a game that we all must have fun playing.

I don't understand, even with the points you're making. You have absolutely no chance against dash with anything even close to this. I'd use this list against like.... Light meq or something. A good fight? ahaha. Yeah, no. It'll be him popping all your boxes with your jaw dropped while he disintegrates your infantry


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LordWynne wrote:A chain fist is the same as a power fist, atleast thats what my codex tells me with +2d6 on strength for armor penatration.

Except it's five points more for a roll that you don't even need to make, since you pen on a three up with terminators that have three attacks on the charge..... Redundancy works, to a point. Then it gets silly.

Well ok that makes sense TY Samus I really mean it for your advise, my list may need tweaking but my in the face tactics will not disapoint. I will remember what you have said to me and use these tactics to defeat my most hated/loved Dash. Hehehe after all, its just a game.

A. Has anyone pointed out this thread to DOP? Thiis just getting silly.

B. If you want to defeat Dash's all comers DE list that he has posted on Dakka you should go ahead and tailor a list to it. Yolur list is not a take all comers list. If you want an all comers list that will kill DE you should finish your guard army running 6-9 hydra's to pop fast moving raiders and ravagers, and run 6 units of plasma vets in chimera's, and a plasma CCS. Top it all off with Vendetta's (although valk's or hell even hell hound's against DE) to round up to 2000 points.

You need to max out on mid strength special and heavy weapons to counter his myriad of cardboard boxes. Your Chaos list won't even make dash break a sweat.

Well thats kinda mean, but expected. Ok To defeat Dash I should listen closer but as I have said. I think my list will dent Dash and open his eyes. But I have yet to face a DE list, I just think my list will cause him to think, I could even change to a Thunderhawk Strike Force and that kills Space Wolfs and Blood Angels. A DE Army list I face I think is my mistake or win, just let me make my mistake. I think the DE Codex is fluff, based off th Eldar and they are no better. I promised to beat the DE let anyone in southern Cali prove me wrong and face me on the table. Chaos will not be denied, Chaos will not be shoved under a bed. We will rise and be counted among the best army in the WH40K Universe, or be know as the sissies were are called.

I think the only thing that is going to make you realize how awful this will do against dash, hell against any real list, is to play against it and get utterly crushed without taking a single enemy killpoint.

Bon chance.

Is this an April Fool's Day joke?

I think he is just an April Fool.

LordWynne:

Leprousy just pointed this thread out to me. A couple of questions for you.

1. Have we met before? Were you at the Socal Slaughter in Space? I mean no offense if I do know you, but that was a year ago and I see that your location is in Riverside, Cali.

2. Chainfists will certainly circumvent FNP, but they won't prevent me from getting an invulnerable save. And to be honest, if you're deep-striking terminators on me, you're going to get a buttload of wyches assaulting you with power weapons after you eat a liquifier or 4. At least one of them should be AP2. The way that I roll, I'll have several AP1 and AP2 flamers....that don't cause any wounds. =D

3. If you want to beat me, bring the tools to do it with. A daemon prince who can lash wyches into the open so that you can shoot them out in the open. Defilers are brutal. Plague marines are very difficult for me to kill in close combat, even with the occasional agonizer.

1) Yes Socal Slaughter, I was there but not playing in the tourney, we chatted some but you were kinda busy at the time.

2) ok, most of my termies come with chain axes and chain fist but I can re-write the list.

3) I have my Khorne demon prince, I have an all Khorne based force. My Brass Scorpion may come in handy or my MKII Thunderhawk lol.

Dashofpepper wrote:3. If you want to beat me, bring the tools to do it with. A daemon prince who can lash wyches into the open so that you can shoot them out in the open. Defilers are brutal. Plague marines are very difficult for me to kill in close combat, even with the occasional agonizer.

this

I am new to 40k, but the buddy who got me into it is a DE player, and our theorycrafting on how to stack up CSM to a DE all comers list agrees on defilers and plague marines as the core of the force. He sends me a couple 2k lists per week that he says "would make my DE cry" and every single one is 6x units of PM, 3x defilers, and then some variants everywhere else. The only HS variant we go back and forth on versus DE allcomers is oblits 3x2 or 3x3 instead of defilers. But since LordWynne seems to have an in your face tactical bent, I'd be thinking defilers would be the HS of choice.

LordWynne, I'd pay attention to what Dash and everyone else are telling you. Neither your list nor your tactics set up well to play against DE period, and certainly not a pro-style DE all-comers list.

As a DE General, I love players like you, OP. Especially at tournaments.

Guys, stop wrecking this guys dreams, and disillusioning him. Let reality and fate take its course.

It also seems somewhat 'stalkerish' that you claim that you met briefly, and he was busy (Gamer subtext*you were talking at him whilst he was concentrating on a game*) and yet you are good friends.

Yours truly,

Confused Akira55665.

PS That list reminds me of this...



Nice Chainfists man..

LordWynne wrote:I have no intention of close combating vehicles unless I have to.

LordWynne wrote:10 Termies 10 chain fists, x2 reaper cannon.

I am confuse...

I intend to kill Raiders at a distance with my havoc and predators, shoot everything I see with CSM's and with my 10 man termi unit I plan on changing this and make them all champions for 10 points a piece and not change my chain fists as I like overkill in close combat and take Abbaddon. I have listened to all of you, yet snerts seem to want to antaginize on this thread and talk trash. I have changed my list and will opst something of what it will look like soon.
Hello, read my other posts, as your saying I am a fool or I dont know what I am talking about in tacitics. Well thats just yuor opinion as I know what I am doing. Ok I belive combi flamers will help me greatly in my 10 man termi unit. As stated in many threades before, "If you do not have anything nice to say, Don't say it at all". I have been polite and nice and since the lot of you keep prattling abuot me not listening is a faslehood.
All you haters can well just "Kiss the A@# of Khorne" becuase my tactics have worked on armies that I have faced before. And was told the same thing every time "You can't win with that list!" I can prove you all wrong and will as me and Dash face off in a friendly battle, and yes he still gets hid bottle of Capt. Morgan win or lose, because thats the kind of person I am. As to my friendship with Dash, well I do not go into details online just because of snerts saying stuff like what was just posted.
As I have met Dash on several occassions and that is no ones buisiness but mine and Dash's. So keep rude comments to yourselfs.

LordWynne wrote: As to my friendship with Dash, well I do not go into details online just because of snerts saying stuff like what was just posted.

Dashofpepper wrote:Have we met before?

This does not bode well for your 'friendship'.

I was talking to the snerts that make stupid coments on this thread, as for me and Dash we are cool and all he may want to do is PM me. It is non of your concern....sorry but I dun like trouble makers.

The thing is your paying points you don't intend to use by taking the chainfists.

You don't have enough fire power to combat any Mech list (not just DE) nor enough Mech to survive the sort of firepower a decent list has.

You've spent a truck load of points in that 11 Terminator unit but it won't do well against other proper deathstars or mobile armies like DE. I imagine in your local games you've played noobs and seen that unit walk through entire armies. But against decent armies that unit will get annihilated and chucking even more expense in there in the form of Abbadon won't help. Plus you have no viable delivery system for them. Thus you can't pick your fights with them.

Against good players you need to use your points effectively. Don't take equipement that doesn't help you don't take units that waste points. A perfect example is your predators. If you fire the lascannon at vehicles the heavy bolters are wasted if you fire the heavy bolters at infantry the lascannons are wasted. Take 2 Autocannon Heavy bolter preds and 1 autocannon lascannon pred and for not much more points you have far more firepower and weapons that work well together. Thus every turn all the guns can be used effectively.

Like for the Terminators you've spent 50 points on chainfists that you don't need you could instead spend those points on making 5 guys champions. You've now got 5 more attacks from the unit and lost nothing. Granted 1 oe 2 chainfists can be great as a fall back should you find yourself in combat with an AV13 walker or you need to wreck that Landraider but getting all 10 is wasting points.

That is what 40k is all about. Efficient use of points and delivery systems. The latter ensures you fight the fights you want the former ensures you win those fights. If the enemy is picking the fights you're in trouble.

Also having that many points in a 11 model unit that might not arrive until turn 5 and even then will almost certainly misshap if it arrives without icon support (which you don't have).

Make your units solo purpose and take only wargear that fits that prupose and you'll start to get back on the right track. Then ask yourself does the unit do the job it is required? Could it still get the job done with fewer models/equipement? Then streamline. Overkill isn't somehting you generally want in 40k you want to do te job comfortably and not more than that. So against AV14 how many CF attacks to I need to reliably wreck it? Don't take more CFs than that.

Well that said, I am relooking and re-writing my force but to say my 11 termie unit will not do well, lets say this as Abbiddon gives a 6 Init with what 4 Att,+D6 at Str 8, + 28 Atts at Str 4. So thats 38 Atts on a witch unit that I know may get Init first "Unless I Charge them First" You do the math. And if you have the current Chaos Codex, we dont get x2 auto cannon turrets so thats out the window as I must upgrade them to x2 las cannon. As how I deliver my Termies well Deep Strike on an Objective should bring them right to me. I will not chase them but draw them in for the kill. As everything in my army list will support this tactic, why does everyone think my way of fihgting will not work.
Space Wolfs and Blood Angels list are way worse then what I have read in the DE codex. I fear not as I am Khorne, fear is an emotion that is for the Imperium. Chaos as always stands alone, Just wait and see.

@LordWynne: Thank you so much for starting this thread, thank you so much. I've being trying to write a chaos list but mine have all been trashed by both SW and BA, but I see what I was doing wrong now! I mean, if the guys you played had similar standard lists they must have been some pretty hard games! Could you post the kinda lists they were using to see if they're similar to the ones my friends were using? However, I think your list may benefit from taking a chaos dread with an autocannon. Its armour 12, anything higher would be wasted because DE have loads of lance weapons, has the chance to fire twice, which means you could have 4 TL S7 shots (!!!) or gets fleet and charges into a raider which it will demolish with S10 attacks or smash some wyches as its DCCW will ignore their FNP and they only have grenades to hurt it, which hit on 6's!

Also, cutting out the special weapons and rhinos on the normal CSM means you have more points to get larger squads so their even harder to push off objectives.

EDIT: This was my list that I was talking about, I posted it aaages ago: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/250356.page

Ok look, when you post a list, and it says something about being competitive or tourney or for beating dash, you need to expect people to judge your army list to a high standard.

Once again, people don't know what kind of people you usually play against, and we can't be expected to assume they are on DoP's level and you may just be a big fish in a small pond so to speak. so people will rate your list as though it was in a tourney environment and be accordingly harsh if its not up to snuff. Your list doesn't look so hot, and compared to the monstrosities that dash posts- its just not up to snuff.

Anyway, if you don't want to listen to any feedback about giving yourself the best chance, why did you post here, just a general discussion thread challenging dash would have sufficed.

You are the kind of person I like to face, "Ohhh you can't beat me with that list"...Well its worked for years for me and this thread is now getting me hot to wanna play. Sorry Dash, this time Chaos eats the Dark Eldar and thats what on my plate. I have been playing 5 yrs mind you strait, contests, tourneys, and compititions in Cali. I was the first Chaos player in 1986, First Ever Rouge Trader Tourney in Cali, Anahiem. And took home the prize in a Gauntlet Match! a 3x6 Choas Castle Trouphy that a game store latter robbed me of, a long sad story of lies and deception. I won against all odds as Chaos and Eldar fired at me running down the long side of the table. Thats A death sentance with current rules now, but I would still accept the challenge and face anyone that oppossed me.
Not that I have not won since ....thats not the issue, I got a list that upsets people and scares them..."Ohhh its to over kill!....Ohhhh You will never win with that list". I am tired of moaners and cry babies....Dash is an honorable foe and all the rest of you can do is trash talk. Please I know what works for me and it works, if I lose then fine no problem. I am listening to people and even changed my list, though I may be out numbered. It never stopped me before, I fight to win, tactics help me and not one of you can see that all I am doing is having a friendly game. Dash will not be a martar for you to laugh at or will he or I be a joke in the rantings of a few snerts. I was nice but if you wanna bring the demon out in me, take it to another thread.

One can not even have a friendly game here without a few bad apples wanting drama....Drama belongs on the game table folks, and when Dash is defeated and a camera will be there. Eat crow folks as I told you so.... Ok those are my bad words for tonight.

As for Dash, a date and place meeting would be great. We can do a larger point cost if needed or lesser not a problem. You choose the mission and lets just have a game that will be Epic, 2 players with one thing on the line.....who is gonna win.....Dark Eldar or Black Legion...Everyone watching will be witness to this great event. I even thought about selling tickets but the local TO's would complain. So Dash you get a free bottle of Capt. Morgan and I get a chance to swill beer with my hero.

LordWynne wrote:A chain fist is the same as a power fist, atleast thats what my codex tells me with +2d6 on strength for armor penatration.

You are correct, though you said you're not attacking vehicles so why exactly do you need chain fists then?? . Chain fists are pointless if you're not attacking vehicles. Take power fists.

LordWynne wrote: Not that I have not won since ....thats not the issue,

That made me cry ...

akaean wrote:Anyway, if you don't want to listen to any feedback about giving yourself the best chance, why did you post here, just a general discussion thread challenging dash would have sufficed.

this.

That's what is funny about LordWynne's reactions to this thread. If anything LordWynne, the people posting here are trying to HELP YOU by offering advice on fielding an army that can back up your volumes of smack talking. You do get that, right? You are yelling at people who are trying to help you.