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HQ
Chaos Lord, termie armor, MoK, Combi-plasma, deamon weapon 2d6.

Troops
x2 CSM (2 10-man squads) x2 champ, x2 power weapon, x2 melta gun, x2 plasma gun, x2 rhino.

Hvy Support
10 Havocs x2 autocannon, x2 las cannon, rhino, havoc launcher.

Hvy Support
x2 Predator TM las cannons, sponson hvy bolters, ex armor, combi plasma.

Elites
10 Termies 10 chain fists, x2 reaper cannon.

Elites
10 Chosen asp champ, power weapon, plasma pistol, combi plasma, plasma gun, icon of chaos.

list may change as time goes on but thats the list I came up with in my head, depending on the time and location of battle. I think this is a real DE killy list and I am ready.

I'm not sure what you mean on your CSM. Do you mean 2 x 20 or 2 x 10? If so you don't need Champions.

Havocs are too expensive. Only good if taking mass special weapons not heavy weapons. You want heavy weapnos go Predators, but the Preds need auto/las not lascannon and heavy bolters and heavy botlers do nothing to tanks. Drop the combi plasma on them too.

Not sure on the Terminators as deep strike will be a hazard and walking means they will die in time.

Chosen have mass specials nothing else.

Force needs more Rhino saturation, atm you have three.

CSM 2 units of 10....

I like my Havocs ty very much and for price they do what I want them to do, anti-armor, anti-infantry at a distance.

My Termies always deep strike and foot slogging is not what I use them for.

Chosen are basic Alpha Strike but set up as a 10 man squad instead of a standard 5-man.

I got 3 rhino's and 2 predators a great sized mech force to anialate the Dark Eldar of Dash.

Are you aware the Havocs are costing about 250 points? Lascannons are serious anti armour autocannons are not. Also you can only fire two out the hatch of the Rhino. So for the price, sure they might do what you want them to do but other units can to it better and for cheaper. You need to get them setup right too. Havocs with heavy weapons just cost too much.

Ok, so deep striking 10 Terminators will be a massive area so you need to hope to use the icons you will have room to fit a surface area of about 20".

You're not going to alpha strike anything with Chosen at all. You can't even assault after firing the plasma gun so power weapon is useless.

You're not going to annillate anything of Dashs (I presume Dash of Pepper?) you haven't got enough armour to stand his darklances. Three vehicles are not a good size for a mech force at all.

Perhaps instead of defending the points perhaps take on board? What's the point in asking for feedback and not listening?

10 chain fists is quite overkill, especially if you're going to be hitting AV10 almost all the time. And they are not going to do anythig on the turn they arrive.

You may want to make it, say, 3-4 chainfists and give combi-weapons to the rest.

Still...I don't know. I like Havoks, but they don't deal well with target saturation. To be fair, nothing in the CSM dex does.

True but since this list is battle tested vs. Space Wolfs and Blood Angels I think it will tear up a DE list easy.

LordWynne wrote:True but since this list is battle tested vs. Space Wolfs and Blood Angels I think it will tear up a DE list easy.

I hope your kidding...

Most DE lists will have no less than 9 vehicles on the board at this level. If they go first, your havocs will die eating lots of splinter cannon shots, they'll drop both predators pretty easily, and maybe even both rhinos, all on T1.

Terminators DE laugh at; they'll charge them with 2-3 squads of wyches and pummel most of them before they swing. TH/SS termis are effective, but you don't have that option.

Like Mercer said, your havocs are super overcosted, Your preds are kitted out oddly, your terminators might shoot down 1 or 2 vehicles, but they might not even see CC, your chosen is slogging it, so they'll get outrun... I could go on and on

He's yanking your chain Zid, just having you on . Dash of Pepper will spank this list and there's no point going on and on Zid because the OP doesn't listen and is ignorant.

With a title like that this thread can only go one way.

What is the plan for your Lord? Deepstriking? If so he drops in then what? Your Rhinos are full from what I can tell.

3 rhinos vs the lists that dop has posted are going to get roasted imo.

Your preds have LCs but dop runs Av10 heavy lists, whats the point in the Lcs at all?

DSing termies imo are simply going to get rings run around them.

Look dont get me wrong, I applaud your confidence and genuinely wish you luck, I just think the list isnt optimal vs what dop is running.

Judging by what DOP runs for DE... You don't have a chance.

Those terminators will do nothing, because DE have no targets for them.

The havocs are great, but why not just run five and use 4 cannons?

Predators.... Get rid of FETHING lascannons. They don't work against DE. You need shots, not strength! Just leave the autocannons and put HB sponsons

Why are you bothering with melta? You can get everything that needs to be done done with Plasma and flamers

The chosen... wtf? Why would a champion even seem like a good idea? You either take them for assault or for shooting. Not both.

No. You cannot win against dash, I'll tell you right now. Max out you shots, not strength. Plasma and autocannons wreck DE, especially Reaper cannons. Redundancy is key to popping paper planes. Especially the ones that have 5+ invul saves

mercer wrote:He's yanking your chain Zid, just having you on . Dash of Pepper will spank this list and there's no point going on and on Zid because the OP doesn't listen and is ignorant.

True, no sense helping the people who dont want help!

LordWynne wrote:I got 3 rhino's and 2 predators a great sized mech force to anialate the Dark Eldar of Dash.

What? You're proud of five vehicles?Dash takes no less than 12 dark lances per list, which will pop your little carboard boxes in no more than three turns, leaving your pathetically weak troops scattered across the board and unable to combat the immediate threat of mass splinter-cannon fire.

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to tell you that shooting high and saying you can beat dash is a little daft. He IS one of the best players in the united states

Yeah ummm...I'll just say this: With the light amount of vehicles and the weak ranged fire, you're in for a rude awakening...You'll need 3 things to be nasty against DE:

1) Obliterators: Their weapons flexibility is priceless, 2+ save helps mitigate splinter weaponry and they're 2 wounds.

2) Plasma and Flamers: Simply put, burn them to death...Plasma for hitting vehicles at range, flamers when they try to get sneaky.

3) Maneuverability: Yes, the DE can outzoom you but don't sit idly by and take it up the butt, make them play on your terms.

Those are just my thoughts.

April fools?

@pretre

+1 to that good sir!

pretre wrote:April fools?

Except it was posted in March..

mercer wrote:

pretre wrote:April fools?

Except it was posted in March..

I did check the timestamp and I do think the person is being genuine, but I was saying it sarcastically so as to subtly poke a bit at the OP.

Thanks, for making me explain the whole thing and ruin it.

mercer wrote:

pretre wrote:April fools?

Except it was posted in March..

Time zone difference maybe

If so, i will just laugh

Otherwise, this isn't a dash-beater...

So...

This list is terrible. Maybe next time think inside the box more?

I don't think this is a troll. If you check his post history, he's posted BRs of remarkably similar lists. I think he really thinks that list will work against Dash.

Now I may not be the biggest Dash fan sometimes, but curb stomp does not begin to describe what will happen unless this guy is some kind of 40k shark.

The list sucks.

/thread.

It has to be troll. Nobody could build a list this bad and be serious about it.

10x chainfist Terminators for fighting Dark eldar vehicles?!

Champs with PW, Plasma pistol and combi plasma? (Pretty sure thats an illegal loadout)

Predator with Las, HBs, EA, and combi plasma?! Wtf

OP: If you are serious about making an anti-dash DE list, then just get IG and pick up nine freaking Hydras, officer of the fleet, and hope you get first turn.

Champions would have the combi plasmas though I think Chosen can take combi weaps anyway.

It would be a really long setup for a troll. This is the kind of list he likes and plays:

Jan 2011 BR - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/338426.page
Sept 2010 BR - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/318107.page
Jul 2010 Army List - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/307990.page

Look guys Dash is a good friend of mine, I just have not faced his dark eldar yet. This list I have has had great success in the past, I am tired of facing Space Wolfs and Blood Angels. I am not bashing the Dash just want a game in the future with him. I don't care if you bash me, as it makes me laugh if thats the best you can do.

the plan is this:

Termi Lord w/ 10 termies Deep Strike behind the enemy causing confusion.

Chosen are my Infiltration force to hit hard similar to Alpha Strike.

2 CSM w/ rhino rush in to take objectives.

10 man havoc squad rushes to cover and pops enemy vehicles with support from the 2 predators.

I dont care about splinter cannons or being out numbered, just a great fight with Dash. There my tactics aand being rude to me or Dash means nothing to me as that is your attitude not mine or his.

I could have used a 5 man Alpha Legion Alternate Squad but thats in the Renagade codex and I dont think its legal. As for my list being illeagal well I got it from the current Chaos Codex with all the fluff thats within. I do not have enough guard to face Dash yet but I am working on it.

But to face Dash 1 on 1 some time in the future would make my day as a 40k player and thanks for the advise and warnings. But my head on approach to facing my enemies has proved fruitful in my past battles. If I lose then I lose and I will hand over a bottle of Capt Morgan to my friend. If I win, well alot of you may be eating crow and I am a very good cook. So to all who have and will post on this thread I thank you, after all its just a game that we all must have fun playing.

I suspected you was friends with Dash anyway, point is people are trying to help you and you're ignoring them. If you want to beat Dash or stand a good chance of doing so you need to listen to what people say get your list sorted instead of playing down peoples suggestions. Honestly what is the point asking for help and then ignoring?

Crow? Who exactly eats crow besides weird mid european countries?

And you're right, playing the game is meant to be fun but it won't be fun if you get a ass kicking. It will be fun if you win or have a very competitive fun game.

At the end of the day choice is yours, though asking for feedback and ignoring people is kind of weird and silly.

I listen dont get me wrong, feed back is great and I do not ignore anyone. I was getting the feel of this list I may use I may even alter it to a more shooty list if needed not a problem. Sorry for being wierd and silly, a side effect from being Chaos I supose lol. A DE army is the only army I have not faced yet, not many play them wear I live. I respect everyones veiws and comments and sorry for any misunderstandings.

LordWynne wrote:I listen dont get me wrong, feed back is great and I do not ignore anyone. I was getting the feel of this list I may use I may even alter it to a more shooty list if needed not a problem. Sorry for being wierd and silly, a side effect from being Chaos I supose lol. A DE army is the only army I have not faced yet, not many play them wear I live. I respect everyones veiws and comments and sorry for any misunderstandings.

A conventional DE army is going to overwhelm you with fast AV 10 skimmers.

The best way to counter that is tons of mid str shooting, prefferably long range. Autocannons and missile launchers are gold, plasma works as well. Lascannons and melta are overkill. Chainfists will not work, as you will be hitting his vehicles on 6s if you ever manage to catch them. Drop the chainfists!

Get as many auto cannons in the list as humanly possible.